We've had a couple of lovely days of brilliant sunshine. Late yesterday pm
we got a huge cloudburst and a bit later more sun. This morning dawned very
bright and now it is grey, dark and hissing down with rain. I really hope
that's not 'it' for this year!
Anyway, we're off to Tresco towards the end of this month so it better cheer
up!

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online but not completed - shop to come and some mild tweaking
to do!)

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
We've had a couple of lovely days of brilliant sunshine. Late yesterday
pm
we got a huge cloudburst and a bit later more sun. This morning dawned
very
bright and now it is grey, dark and hissing down with rain. I really hope
that's not 'it' for this year!
Anyway, we're off to Tresco towards the end of this month so it better
cheer
up!

--
Sacha

Wall to wall sunshine and blue skies on the Isle of Wight :-))

Mike

On 15/6/08 10:47, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:43:41 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:17:29 +0100, Sacha wrote:

We've had a couple of lovely days of brilliant sunshine. Late yesterday pm
we got a huge cloudburst and a bit later more sun. This morning dawned very
bright and now it is grey, dark and hissing down with rain. I really hope
that's not 'it' for this year!

It rained here in ZH for the first time in more than a week last night.

Anyway, we're off to Tresco towards the end of this month so it better cheer
up!

It looked fine on 1 April 2007

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cornwall/content/webcams/scillies_offislands_webcam.shtm
l

This one updates
http://www.scillyman.co.uk/Web_Cam.html

That view of St Martin's must be pretty much opposite the Island Hotel on
Tresco, I think. The lighthouse looks familiar. ;-)) I'm told the hotel
on St Martin's is very good so we must try that one day but the lure of
Tresco is hard to resist. We just love it and this time we're doing a coals
to Newcastle thing and taking them some plants!

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online but not completed - shop to come and some mild tweaking
to do!)

On 15/6/08 11:38, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:19:05 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 15/6/08 10:47, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:43:41 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:17:29 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

We've had a couple of lovely days of brilliant sunshine. Late yesterday
pm
we got a huge cloudburst and a bit later more sun. This morning dawned
very
bright and now it is grey, dark and hissing down with rain. I really hope
that's not 'it' for this year!

It rained here in ZH for the first time in more than a week last night.

Anyway, we're off to Tresco towards the end of this month so it better
cheer
up!

It looked fine on 1 April 2007

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cornwall/conten...ds_webcam.shtm

l

This one updates
http://www.scillyman.co.uk/Web_Cam.html

That view of St Martin's must be pretty much opposite the Island Hotel on
Tresco, I think. The lighthouse looks familiar. ;-))

On Round Island?

Yes, that sounds right.

I'm told the hotel
on St Martin's is very good so we must try that one day but the lure of
Tresco is hard to resist. We just love it and this time we're doing a coals
to Newcastle thing and taking them some plants!

They've provided a detailed map to help you locate it. Round Island isn't on
it

http://www.scillyman.co.uk/Large_map.html

How extraordinary not to show the rock with the lighthouse on it!


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online but not completed - shop to come and some mild tweaking
to do!)

On 15/6/08 11:58, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:51:50 +0100, Sacha wrote:

snip

How extraordinary not to show the rock with the lighthouse on it!

It's on his small map.
http://www.scillyman.co.uk/Scillies_map.html


That's a relief! ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online but not completed - shop to come and some mild tweaking
to do!)

On 15/6/08 12:09, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:03:36 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 15/6/08 11:58, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:51:50 +0100, Sacha wrote:

snip

How extraordinary not to show the rock with the lighthouse on it!

It's on his small map.
http://www.scillyman.co.uk/Scillies_map.html


That's a relief! ;-)

If he is an island ferry boat operator.

The ferry seems very expensive.

We haven't used it at all except once to go to St Agnes and I think it was
just a couple of pounds each - not much anyway. But that's just one of the
small boats that run like buses between the islands. The Scillonian is the
'big' boat that runs from the mainland to Scilly. First time we went to
Bryher Mike Nelhams drove us across in his Land Rover because it was spring
tides! We hitched a ride back at high water with the Tresco harbour master.
At present Tresco is doing an extraordinarily good deal which involves a
stay at the hotel and free helicopter or ship connections. The helicopter
is a significant past of the cost normally, so while a day trip to the Abbey
Gardens is certainly possible, it's a costly 'day out', even if I do
recommend it very highly. Certainly treating oneself to a few nights at the
hotel or at the New Inn has to be one of the best short breaks ever.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online but not completed - shop to come and some mild tweaking
to do!)

On 15/6/08 14:09, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:25:33 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 15/6/08 12:09, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:03:36 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 15/6/08 11:58, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:51:50 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

snip

How extraordinary not to show the rock with the lighthouse on it!

It's on his small map.
http://www.scillyman.co.uk/Scillies_map.html


That's a relief! ;-)

If he is an island ferry boat operator.

The ferry seems very expensive.

We haven't used it at all except once to go to St Agnes and I think it was
just a couple of pounds each - not much anyway. But that's just one of the
small boats that run like buses between the islands. The Scillonian is the
'big' boat that runs from the mainland to Scilly.

I meant that The Scillonian is very expensive. Judging from it's appearance it
has fully depreciated. It makes some Greek inter island ferries look modern,
perhaps because the Scillonian is 31 years old. The Greek govt. sets a maximum
permissible age of ferries at 35 years?

I've never made the journey but I gather it's bouncy at times, to put it
mildly. My step-daughter went on the Scillonian the first time she visited
Scilly and it was so horrendous that she vowed never to leave the islands
unless she could go home by helicopter!

When I was a small child I went from St Marys to Tresco on the same boat that
featured in the recent TV series about the Scilly vicar.

An Island Parish? We enjoyed that.

First time we went to
Bryher Mike Nelhams drove us across in his Land Rover because it was spring
tides! We hitched a ride back at high water with the Tresco harbour master.
At present Tresco is doing an extraordinarily good deal which involves a
stay at the hotel and free helicopter or ship connections. The helicopter
is a significant past of the cost normally, so while a day trip to the Abbey
Gardens is certainly possible, it's a costly 'day out', even if I do
recommend it very highly. Certainly treating oneself to a few nights at the
hotel or at the New Inn has to be one of the best short breaks ever.

I don't trust helicopters.

I love that flight and I enjoy helicopters, though I know they have all the
glide propensity of a housebrick. I particularly enjoy the take off and
landing bit - none of that racing down runways and hoping it's going to make
it into the air before the tarmac runs out!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online but not completed - shop to come and some mild tweaking
to do!)

On 15/6/08 14:41, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

snip

I don't trust helicopters.

I love that flight and I enjoy helicopters, though I know they have all the
glide propensity of a housebrick. I particularly enjoy the take off and
landing bit - none of that racing down runways and hoping it's going to make
it into the air before the tarmac runs out!

When a helicopter engine conks out there isn't another to keep it flying.

Sure. But mostly they don't. ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online but not completed - shop to come and some mild tweaking
to do!)

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:41:06 +0100, Martin wrote
(in article ):

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:28:52 +0100, Sacha wrote:

snip
First time we went to
Bryher Mike Nelhams drove us across in his Land Rover because it was
spring
tides! We hitched a ride back at high water with the Tresco harbour
master.
At present Tresco is doing an extraordinarily good deal which involves a
stay at the hotel and free helicopter or ship connections. The helicopter
is a significant past of the cost normally, so while a day trip to the
Abbey
Gardens is certainly possible, it's a costly 'day out', even if I do
recommend it very highly. Certainly treating oneself to a few nights at
the
hotel or at the New Inn has to be one of the best short breaks ever.

I don't trust helicopters.

I love that flight and I enjoy helicopters, though I know they have all the
glide propensity of a housebrick. I particularly enjoy the take off and
landing bit - none of that racing down runways and hoping it's going to make
it into the air before the tarmac runs out!

When a helicopter engine conks out there isn't another to keep it flying.


Cough Never heard of a twin-engine helicopter then? Or did you mean
rotor? Plenty of twin rotors too.

(Love helicopter rides, especially the one from Penzance to St Mary's.)

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Posted through the usenet newsgroup uk.rec.gardening

(Love helicopter rides, especially the one from Penzance to St Mary's.)

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Posted through the usenet newsgroup uk.rec.gardening



Hope to do the Helicopter trip in the Grand Canyon next year. My daughter
has done it and says it's great :-))

Mike

I love that flight and I enjoy helicopters, though I know they have all the
glide propensity of a housebrick.

When I used to fly in one regularly we were told that in the case of an
emergency engine failure (not sure what other dead engine scenario there
could be other than "emergency") the aircraft could "autogiro" glide in for
a heavy but controlled landing. Was this just the operators trying to make
us feel safe? or did that only apply to that particular model, a Bell
Jetranger, I think.

Mike

On 16/6/08 09:26, in article
, "Muddymike"
wrote:


I love that flight and I enjoy helicopters, though I know they have all the
glide propensity of a housebrick.

When I used to fly in one regularly we were told that in the case of an
emergency engine failure (not sure what other dead engine scenario there
could be other than "emergency") the aircraft could "autogiro" glide in for
a heavy but controlled landing. Was this just the operators trying to make
us feel safe? or did that only apply to that particular model, a Bell
Jetranger, I think.


I don't know Mike. The ones that fly to Scilly are Sikorsky S61s and they
give you a fabulous flight over Land's End and Mousehole Bay etc. If you
ever do it, sit on the right of the aircraft on the outward trip as this
gives the best view leaving Cornwall and approaching Scilly.
http://www.islesofscillyhelicopter.com/helicopters.html
Approaching the islands the colour and clarity of the water is breath
taking. My one regret is that we are too old to be able to get jobs on
Tresco - assuming I could ever get Ray to give things up here, of course!
I'd live there in a red hot minute. ;-) Mike Nelhams, who is the Curator
of the Abbey Gardens, travels a lot, giving talks and taking parties on
garden tours. He freely admits he has the best job in the world.
When you get to the heliport to take the flight there is a short safety film
which shows someone clambering through an emergency exit with a relaxed
expression and it usually raises a bit of a laugh. We can never hear the
safety talk on the helicopter because of the noise of the engines, so we
simply sit back and enjoy the ride. ;-)


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online but not completed - shop to come and some mild tweaking
to do!)

On 16/6/08 09:53, in article , "J L
Williams" wrote:

The message
from "Muddymike" contains these words:


I love that flight and I enjoy helicopters, though I know they have all the
glide propensity of a housebrick.

When I used to fly in one regularly we were told that in the case of an
emergency engine failure (not sure what other dead engine scenario there
could be other than "emergency") the aircraft could "autogiro" glide in for
a heavy but controlled landing. Was this just the operators trying to make
us feel safe? or did that only apply to that particular model, a Bell
Jetranger, I think.

/unlurkio
Helocipters can auto rotate down to within a few feet of the ground
where they use the torque (up lever) to land 'ever-so-gently'. They need
to be going forward slightly in doing so.
lurkio/
jim
PS I have no idea what a Chinook can/does in these circumstances.

You sound just the man to explain to me why helicopters do that sort of
'bow' thing as they take off. The nose always dips down before the
helicopter is straightening up and zooming away.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online but not completed - shop to come and some mild tweaking
to do!)

Sally Thompson writes:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:41:06 +0100, Martin wrote
(in article ):

When a helicopter engine conks out there isn't another to keep it flying.


Cough Never heard of a twin-engine helicopter then? Or did you mean
rotor? Plenty of twin rotors too.

To operate over water in UK airspace a helicopter must be a twin
engine job, either one of which is enough to get it somewhere dry and
land it. Twin rotor jobs have multiple engines plus a drive shaft so
that both rotors keep turning if an engine fails, rather advisable as
the rotors intersect. Any helicopter can freewheel down to a good
("It's a good landing if you can walk away from it, if you can use the
aircraft again that's a bonus" as the saying goes) landing provided it
is high enough and/or moving forwards fast enough (There's a
height/speed dead zone) and engine failure is the only major problem.

A news editor I once worked with got several very nice meals bought
him when it was realised he'd booked the only available twin engine
helicopter able to fly out past the Scillies and film the end of some
trans-Atlantic record attempt...

Anthony