While I seem to be able to post to this newsgroup I haven't been able to
receive any articles for a couple of months now and this seems entirely
due to the Demon news server. Demon say they are aware of the problem
but don't appear to have done anything about it. I think maybe they are
trying to get rid of individual customers like me in favour of corporate
accounts (just look at their online newsletter - it's aimed exclusively
at businesses). I've been with them thirteen years and uk.rec.gardening
was the first newsgroup I ever posted to so I'm rather missing it!
Interestingly I can receive newsgroups that Demon themselves sponsor but
nothing else.

Please forgive this rant but I am feeling fed up with Demon to whom I
have been loyal for a very long time. And if you answer this thread I
won't be able to see it! :-( But I just wondered how many others who
have Demon as ISP are no longer able to receive this newsgroup.

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk

In message , David Rance
writes
While I seem to be able to post to this newsgroup I haven't been able
to receive any articles for a couple of months now and this seems
entirely due to the Demon news server. Demon say they are aware of the
problem but don't appear to have done anything about it. I think maybe
they are trying to get rid of individual customers like me in favour of
corporate accounts (just look at their online newsletter - it's aimed
exclusively at businesses). I've been with them thirteen years and
uk.rec.gardening was the first newsgroup I ever posted to so I'm rather
missing it! Interestingly I can receive newsgroups that Demon
themselves sponsor but nothing else.

Please forgive this rant but I am feeling fed up with Demon to whom I
have been loyal for a very long time. And if you answer this thread I
won't be able to see it! :-(
...unless you are also on Demon, which I am.

But I just wondered how many others who have Demon as ISP are no longer
able to receive this newsgroup.

David

No-one on Demon can see any Newsgroup other than those hosted on Demon -
I am not even sure how I have come to see your post, unless it is
because you are also on Demon Hence I am guessing you may see this
reply.

For the whole sorry saga go to newsgroup demon.service

I first joined Demon in the early 90s when Windows For Workgroups was
around. Like most other private users I am now coming to the conclusion
it's time to move on. The old familiar story of British entrepreneurial
initiative being suffocated by the corporate suites.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 hugh wrote:

But I just wondered how many others who have Demon as ISP are no
longer able to receive this newsgroup.

No-one on Demon can see any Newsgroup other than those hosted on Demon
- I am not even sure how I have come to see your post, unless it is
because you are also on Demon Hence I am guessing you may see this reply.

Indeed, I did.

For the whole sorry saga go to newsgroup demon.service

Ah, so that's where I can read about it. I'll do that

I first joined Demon in the early 90s when Windows For Workgroups was
around. Like most other private users I am now coming to the conclusion
it's time to move on. The old familiar story of British entrepreneurial
initiative being suffocated by the corporate suites.

It's such a shame! Demon was the ISP that first made the Internet cheap
for people in the UK.

Best wishes, David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk

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from David Rance contains these words:

It's such a shame! Demon was the ISP that first made the Internet cheap
for people in the UK.

No it wasn't - have a look at Zetnet, which I suspect was established
before Demon...

--
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
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In message , hugh
] writes
In message , David Rance
writes
While I seem to be able to post to this newsgroup I haven't been able
to receive any articles for a couple of months now and this seems
entirely due to the Demon news server. Demon say they are aware of the
problem but don't appear to have done anything about it. I think maybe
they are trying to get rid of individual customers like me in favour
of corporate accounts (just look at their online newsletter - it's
aimed exclusively at businesses). I've been with them thirteen years
and uk.rec.gardening was the first newsgroup I ever posted to so I'm
rather missing it! Interestingly I can receive newsgroups that Demon
themselves sponsor but nothing else.

Please forgive this rant but I am feeling fed up with Demon to whom I
have been loyal for a very long time. And if you answer this thread I
won't be able to see it! :-(
..unless you are also on Demon, which I am.

Ditto!

Paradoxically, the lack of newsgroup posts has resulted in a much tidier
garden, more time spent on other jobs, and more motivation to extend my
Real Life friends, which is all food for thought. ;-)

I first joined Demon in the early 90s when Windows For Workgroups was
around. Like most other private users I am now coming to the conclusion
it's time to move on. The old familiar story of British entrepreneurial
initiative being suffocated by the corporate suites.

That is certainly true. However, the most important uses for my
Internet connection have been solidly reliable, and I have always been
with Demon since I first went online, maybe 12 years ago.
Like other demon users I await a resolution of their 'problem', but time
is running out; as a HomeOffice8000 user I am not getting my full
moneys' worth at present. 8-(
--
Gordon H
Remove "invalid" to reply

"Gordon H" wrote in message
...
In message , hugh ]
writes
In message , David Rance
writes


Please forgive this rant but I am feeling fed up with Demon to whom I
have been loyal for a very long time. And if you answer this thread I
won't be able to see it! :-(
..unless you are also on Demon, which I am.

Ditto!

Paradoxically, the lack of newsgroup posts has resulted in a much tidier
garden, more time spent on other jobs, and more motivation to extend my
Real Life friends, which is all food for thought. ;-)

I first joined Demon in the early 90s when Windows For Workgroups was
around. Like most other private users I am now coming to the conclusion
it's time to move on. The old familiar story of British entrepreneurial
initiative being suffocated by the corporate suites.

That is certainly true. However, the most important uses for my
Internet connection have been solidly reliable, and I have always been
with Demon since I first went online, maybe 12 years ago.
Like other demon users I await a resolution of their 'problem', but time
is running out; as a HomeOffice8000 user I am not getting my full moneys'
worth at present. 8-(

Good to see you Gordon.

John

Thank goodness it isn't only me !! I have spent ages trying to get
articles from newsgroups - I can see my own postings but only very few
replies. From what you say these are from Demon newsgroups only.
I have been with Demon for some 15 years now but the end is nigh ... I
phoned Demon this week and I had an answer from what sounded like India
and was told there were problems with newsgroups - I asked when it would
be fixed but couldn't get a satisfactory reply. - to be honest I
couldn't really understand the person who was talking to me. I used to
enjoy newsgroups but haven't been using them for some time but now when
want to get some info I can't get any postings. I am under a 12 month
contract with Demon until next March but if they can't provide a service
then I am going to break my contract - or should I say "they have broken
the contract".
John

In message , Gordon H
writes
In message , hugh
] writes
In message , David Rance
writes
While I seem to be able to post to this newsgroup I haven't been able
to receive any articles for a couple of months now and this seems
entirely due to the Demon news server. Demon say they are aware of
the problem but don't appear to have done anything about it. I think
maybe they are trying to get rid of individual customers like me in
favour of corporate accounts (just look at their online newsletter -
it's aimed exclusively at businesses). I've been with them thirteen
years and uk.rec.gardening was the first newsgroup I ever posted to
so I'm rather missing it! Interestingly I can receive newsgroups that
Demon themselves sponsor but nothing else.

Please forgive this rant but I am feeling fed up with Demon to whom I
have been loyal for a very long time. And if you answer this thread I
won't be able to see it! :-(
..unless you are also on Demon, which I am.

Ditto!

Paradoxically, the lack of newsgroup posts has resulted in a much
tidier garden, more time spent on other jobs, and more motivation to
extend my Real Life friends, which is all food for thought. ;-)

I first joined Demon in the early 90s when Windows For Workgroups was
around. Like most other private users I am now coming to the
conclusion it's time to move on. The old familiar story of British
entrepreneurial initiative being suffocated by the corporate suites.

That is certainly true. However, the most important uses for my
Internet connection have been solidly reliable, and I have always been
with Demon since I first went online, maybe 12 years ago.
Like other demon users I await a resolution of their 'problem', but
time is running out; as a HomeOffice8000 user I am not getting my full
moneys' worth at present. 8-(

--
J.G.

In article , Gordon H
writes

Like other demon users I await a resolution of their 'problem', but
time is running out; as a HomeOffice8000 user I am not getting my full
moneys' worth at present. 8-(


I wrote and asked when we were going to get the groups back and got a
very snotty reply.
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

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from Janet Tweedy contains these words:
In article , Gordon H
writes

Like other demon users I await a resolution of their 'problem', but
time is running out; as a HomeOffice8000 user I am not getting my full
moneys' worth at present. 8-(


I wrote and asked when we were going to get the groups back and got a
very snotty reply.

I know what I'd do first.

Then what I'd do next.

--
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
Separator in search of a sig

In message , Janet Tweedy
writes
In article , Gordon H
writes

Like other demon users I await a resolution of their 'problem', but
time is running out; as a HomeOffice8000 user I am not getting my full
moneys' worth at present. 8-(


I wrote and asked when we were going to get the groups back and got a
very snotty reply.

8-(

This situation seems to have happened as they were taken over by Cable &
Wireless. The original Demon team were the best ISP, no doubt about
that, but I sense that the techies may have departed the ship as Thus
and now C&W took charge. Either that or maybe the spare hardware
capacity which Demon used to have has been dispensed with to save
money...
--
Gordon H
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:39:11 +0000, Gordon H
wrote:

In message , Janet Tweedy
writes
In article , Gordon H
writes

Like other demon users I await a resolution of their 'problem', but
time is running out; as a HomeOffice8000 user I am not getting my full
moneys' worth at present. 8-(


I wrote and asked when we were going to get the groups back and got a
very snotty reply.

8-(

This situation seems to have happened as they were taken over by Cable &
Wireless. The original Demon team were the best ISP, no doubt about
that, but I sense that the techies may have departed the ship as Thus
and now C&W took charge. Either that or maybe the spare hardware
capacity which Demon used to have has been dispensed with to save
money...

Demon still has very capable technical support but it is sometimes
difficult to get through to them. In over 15 years I have only needed
Demon technical support three times. The first call was answered by
local support and sorted out promptly. On the other two occasions the
calls went to support in India and they were also sorted out quickly.

Steve

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Janet Tweedy wrote:

I wrote and asked when we were going to get the groups back and got a
very snotty reply.

*You* were lucky. I wrote to them too; I got *no* reply.

I've been with Demon for more than 14 years. I'm also looking to
change now. It's absolutely unacceptable service.

The message
from "R.A.Omond" contains these words:
Janet Tweedy wrote:

I wrote and asked when we were going to get the groups back and got a
very snotty reply.

*You* were lucky. I wrote to them too; I got *no* reply.

I've been with Demon for more than 14 years. I'm also looking to
change now. It's absolutely unacceptable service.

Well, I really can't fault Zetnet's service.

OK, it's not free, but worth every penny it costs.

Ask for a newsgroup to be added to the feed (which I have done) and it's
generally there on the next day at the latest.

You can talk to staff and directors in the (closed) newsgroups, and at
least one of them escapes into Greater Usenet...

--
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
Separator in search of a sig

On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:02:54 +0000, R.A.Omond wrote:

I've been with Demon for more than 14 years. I'm also looking to
change now. It's absolutely unacceptable service.

I was a "founder member" but left ages ago, about the time Cliff sold out
to Thus. For news I use news.individual.net, fast, reliable and cheap,
10eur/year about £7. There are free news servers out there but there is a
bit of "you get what you pay for"...

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article , hugh
] writes

But I just wondered how many others who have Demon as ISP are no
longer able to receive this newsgroup.

David


My newsgroups have just come on again! Well your thread only at the
moment


No-one on Demon can see any Newsgroup other than those hosted on Demon
- I am not even sure how I have come to see your post, unless it is
because you are also on Demon Hence I am guessing you may see this reply.
(See above)


I am now coming to the conclusion it's time to move on. The old
familiar story of British entrepreneurial initiative being suffocated
by the corporate suites.

We got Demon for it's reliability but if they are going to chuck
newsgroups because they take up too much bandwidth then we will also
move.

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk