This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?

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South Devon
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:04:07 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?

There isn't a straight as it depends on the type of snow. It's a bit
like asking what temperature plants grow at. Just to make things
complicated read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow

Steve

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On Feb 12, 3:04*pm, Sacha wrote:
This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? *Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?

--
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South Devon
Perennials & shrubs online

Today it is snowing hard and we are now about half a metre deep in
snow. It is 0 degrees outside. Driving over the mountain pass on the
way home yesterday it was minus 6 and snowing heavily at 4p.m.

Judith

On 12/2/09 15:44, in article
, "Judith
in France" wrote:

On Feb 12, 3:04*pm, Sacha wrote:
This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? *Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Perennials & shrubs online

Today it is snowing hard and we are now about half a metre deep in
snow. It is 0 degrees outside. Driving over the mountain pass on the
way home yesterday it was minus 6 and snowing heavily at 4p.m.

Judith

Thanks to you, Martin and Stephen. I'll stop looking out the window then.
It's very much colder tonight, even though cloud has come over and it did
make me think of snow again. I gather the east of the country has plenty.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Perennials & shrubs online

Judith in France writes

Today it is snowing hard and we are now about half a metre deep in
snow. It is 0 degrees outside. Driving over the mountain pass on the
way home yesterday it was minus 6 and snowing heavily at 4p.m.

You *lucky* thing! Ours is melting steadily and now only 6 inches at the
best. Although it has been snowing this afternoon with lovely big gentle
flakes.
--
Kay

On 12/2/09 16:51, in article ,
"Martin" wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:16:13 +0000, Sacha wrote:

On 12/2/09 15:44, in article
, "Judith
in France" wrote:

On Feb 12, 3:04*pm, Sacha wrote:
This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? *Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Perennials & shrubs online

Today it is snowing hard and we are now about half a metre deep in
snow. It is 0 degrees outside. Driving over the mountain pass on the
way home yesterday it was minus 6 and snowing heavily at 4p.m.

Judith

Thanks to you, Martin and Stephen. I'll stop looking out the window then.
It's very much colder tonight, even though cloud has come over and it did
make me think of snow again. I gather the east of the country has plenty.

It's snowing hard along the north east coast of England.

We had a sprinkling this morning. Just enough snow, for the local yob's gf to
skid her moped and collide with a loud bang against the local yobs father's
parked car. It couldn't have happened to nicer people.

Apparently, Newcastle airport is closed. And as to your home grown yobs,
there is a certain satisfaction in the closing of a circle, isn't there?
;-))
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Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Perennials & shrubs online

Sacha wrote:
This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?


Snow in England tends to fall when a warm, moist airflow comes in from
the Atlantic and hits a cold air mass extending across from the
continent. Most commonly in a cold spell the temperature will rise a
couple of degrees before the precipitation actually occurs - hence the
saying "It's too cold for snow". In central continental Europe, the Alps
etc, it merely gets bl**dy cold then snows fine powdery snow. (I believe
that the temperature in the moist air mass does tend to rise as the
water vapor changes state to water then to ice )

Snow in much of Britain is quite an unusual event - there isn't a big
temperature difference between torrential winter rain and a couple of
feet of snow - like we saw on down here in Glos on Monday night. Tuesday
morning i looked out from a snowed-in Forest of Dean, across a green and
flooded Severnside to a thoroughly snowed in Cotswolds.

Nice to have the weather to talk about, innit?

rL

On Feb 12, 3:04*pm, Sacha wrote:
This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? *Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?

My Grandfather was an old countryman steeped in country lore and he
say to me, "You know when that's gonna snow, boy, 'cos white bits
start dropping outta the sky." Throughout my life I have found this
has always been true.

The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Thanks to you, Martin and Stephen. I'll stop looking out the window then.
It's very much colder tonight, even though cloud has come over and it did
make me think of snow again. I gather the east of the country has plenty.

More has fallen (well, settled) since dusk than the sum of all the rest
of the winter's efforts, and it's still coming down here in this bit of
South Norfolk.

--
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On Feb 12, 5:06*pm, K wrote:
Judith in France writes

Today it is snowing hard and we are now about half a metre deep in
snow. *It is 0 degrees outside. *Driving over the mountain pass on the
way home yesterday it was minus 6 and snowing heavily at 4p.m.

You *lucky* thing! Ours is melting steadily and now only 6 inches at the
best. Although it has been snowing this afternoon with lovely big gentle
flakes.
--
Kay

I was made very welcome in your home Kay, so you will be made very
welcome in mine, anytime.

Judith

In article ,
Rusty_Hinge wrote:
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Thanks to you, Martin and Stephen. I'll stop looking out the window then.
It's very much colder tonight, even though cloud has come over and it did
make me think of snow again. I gather the east of the country has plenty.

More has fallen (well, settled) since dusk than the sum of all the rest
of the winter's efforts, and it's still coming down here in this bit of
South Norfolk.

It's just stopped in this outpost on the borders of the Fenland.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

moghouse wrote:
On Feb 12, 3:04 pm, Sacha wrote:
This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?

My Grandfather was an old countryman steeped in country lore and he
say to me, "You know when that's gonna snow, boy, 'cos white bits
start dropping outta the sky." Throughout my life I have found this
has always been true.
Slightly OT but....

It was April and the Aboriginals in a remote part of
Northern Australia asked their new elder if the coming winter was
going to be cold or mild.


Since he was an elder in a modern community he had never
been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky he couldn't tell
what the winter was going to be like. Nevertheless, to be on the safe
side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and
that the members of the tribe should collect firewood to be prepared.

But being a practical leader, after several days he had an
idea.

He walked out to the telephone booth on the highway, called
the Bureau of Meteorology and asked, 'Is the coming winter in this area
going to be cold?'

The meteorologist responded, 'It looks like this winter is
going to be quite cold.'

So the elder went back to his people and told them to
collect even more wood in order to be prepared.

A week later he called the Bureau of Meteorology again.
'Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter?'

The meteorologist again replied, 'Yes, it's going to be a
very cold winter.'

The elder again went back to his community and ordered them
to collect every scrap of firewood they could find.

Two weeks later the elder called the Bureau again. 'Are you
absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold?' he asked.

'Absolutely,' the man replied. 'It's looking more and more
like it is going to be one of the coldest winters ever.'

'How can you be so sure?' the elder asked.

The weatherman replied, 'Our satellites have reported that
the Aboriginals in the north are collecting firewood like crazy, and
that's always a sure sign.'

On 12/2/09 18:31, in article , "rjbl"
wrote:

Sacha wrote:
This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?


Snow in England tends to fall when a warm, moist airflow comes in from
the Atlantic and hits a cold air mass extending across from the
continent. Most commonly in a cold spell the temperature will rise a
couple of degrees before the precipitation actually occurs - hence the
saying "It's too cold for snow". In central continental Europe, the Alps
etc, it merely gets bl**dy cold then snows fine powdery snow. (I believe
that the temperature in the moist air mass does tend to rise as the
water vapor changes state to water then to ice )

Snow in much of Britain is quite an unusual event - there isn't a big
temperature difference between torrential winter rain and a couple of
feet of snow - like we saw on down here in Glos on Monday night. Tuesday
morning i looked out from a snowed-in Forest of Dean, across a green and
flooded Severnside to a thoroughly snowed in Cotswolds.

Nice to have the weather to talk about, innit?

rL
You mean there are other things? ;-)

Thank you very much for the explanation. I've always heard "it's too cold
to snow" and at times been ridiculed for repeating it but now you've given a
reason for it. I'm filing your post for future reference at times of (my)
bewilderment.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Perennials & shrubs online

On 12/2/09 20:16, in article
, "moghouse"
wrote:

On Feb 12, 3:04*pm, Sacha wrote:
This is probably a silly question but what is the temp at which one can
expect snow if clouds are about? *Or are there too many variables such as
sea, mountains, high land etc., to make it possible for a straight answer?

My Grandfather was an old countryman steeped in country lore and he
say to me, "You know when that's gonna snow, boy, 'cos white bits
start dropping outta the sky." Throughout my life I have found this
has always been true.

My husband knew a similar old countryman in Essex who swore that it was
going to be 'bloody cold' if the wind was in the North because it would stay
there for 2 weeks and that started with a sentence that contained 'boy' as
an essential ingredient! So did another who, when Ray moved here and said
something about it being cold said "Is the blackthorn out" and when Ray said
it was, Tom replied "Of course it's bloody cold then". ;-)

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Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Perennials & shrubs online

On 12/2/09 21:21, in article ,
" wrote:

In article ,
Rusty_Hinge wrote:
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Thanks to you, Martin and Stephen. I'll stop looking out the window then.
It's very much colder tonight, even though cloud has come over and it did
make me think of snow again. I gather the east of the country has plenty.

More has fallen (well, settled) since dusk than the sum of all the rest
of the winter's efforts, and it's still coming down here in this bit of
South Norfolk.

It's just stopped in this outpost on the borders of the Fenland.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On my evening glamour trip to the dustbin it seems to me that it's got a bit
warmer here. It was 6C this morning.
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Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Perennials & shrubs online