On 8/3/09 22:42, in article
, "Judith
in France" wrote:

On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:47, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote:
It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star
Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US.
It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well
and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal
as a 'pot plant'.

Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing,
it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't
happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a
heated garden room or conservatory?

Judith

He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one!
David, I'd like to know where to find it?
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Our Dave is a major botanical man. I found it in "Ann's Tropics".
Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah.

Judith

Ah, sorry. I meant to buy it. It would do very well in one of our
greenhouses in which things are actually planted. David's knowledge is
encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

On Mar 8, 5:59*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:15, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:01*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 16:58, in article
, "Judith in

France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 4:37*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 16:25, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg

This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I
thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it
be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could
survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet.

Many thanks

Could be a Cestrum, possibly fasciculatum Newellii. *If it is, it wouldn't
be hardy with you, so you'd have to grow it in a pot. *Even then, it might
not get to that size of leaf and flower cluster in your garden but it's
still a lovely thing and worth growing. *Cestrum nocturnum is another
stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night.

If I grew it in a large pot, one like my Oleander grows in, I posted a
pic of that last year, do you think it would survive an unheated
drawing room in Winter?

Judith

Not below around -7C. *Charlie had much lower temps than us this year so may
be able to tell you more from personal experience. *Ours live in a
greenhouse where gentle heating comes on if it falls below 0C. *We can grow
C. parquii outside.

Our house is an L shape and we only heat one side of the L, we shut up
the other wing for the Winter as fuel is so expensive. I will put in a
max/mim thermometer just to see what it falls to, there is still snow
on the higher mountains here but it's not so cold so maybe it's too
late to take an accurate Winter reading.

Judith

I haven't checked today's outside temps today but all I can tell you is that
it's damn cold, still light and the curtains in my study are drawn to keep
the house warm! *The design of your house sounds extremely sensible but I
trust you have a sturdy door between one half of 'l' and the other. *;-)
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

It has been a lovely day here which we spent with friends, the ones I
told you about. We have not only a stout door between the L but three
feet walls! It's time to go to bed now and I am pleasantly relaxed,
a good bottle of wine shared with friends does that to me. Now, to
keep on topic, this is such a cold area but I notice friends have
vines, the local wine that I like is St. Pourcain , I might just have
a go at putting in just two vines and see what happens any advice from
anyone would be welcome I wonder if Emerys or David in Normandy have
vines?

Another rapid change of subject, we get our chickens in April, I need
Mary Fisher, I haven't seen her posting recently, I do hope she is
o.k. She knows more than I will ever forget about hens. Mind you
RVal on here, also, is a hen expert, cooeeeeee Val?

Judith

On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:42, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:47, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote:
It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star
Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US.
It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well
and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal
as a 'pot plant'.

Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing,
it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't
happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a
heated garden room or conservatory?

Judith

He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one!
David, I'd like to know where to find it?
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics".
Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah.

Judith

Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our
greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is
encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome!
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Tell me about it!!!!! I would marry Dave if I wasn't married
already. We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about
buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the
winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer
climate.

Judith

On 8/3/09 22:51, in article
, "Judith in
France" wrote:

On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:42, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:47, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote:
It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star
Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US.
It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well
and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal
as a 'pot plant'.

Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing,
it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't
happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a
heated garden room or conservatory?

Judith

He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one!
David, I'd like to know where to find it?
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics".
Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah.

Judith

Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our
greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is
encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome!
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Tell me about it!!!!! I would marry Dave if I wasn't married
already. We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about
buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the
winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer
climate.

Judith

Ah. Then what you need is Dave's advice at Jardins Sec. ;-))
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

On Mar 8, 10:53*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:51, in article
, "Judith in



France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:42, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:47, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote:
It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star
Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US..
It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well
and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal
as a 'pot plant'.

Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing,
it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't
happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a
heated garden room or conservatory?

Judith

He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one!
David, I'd like to know where to find it?
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics".
Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah.

Judith

Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our
greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is
encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome!
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Tell me about it!!!!! *I would marry Dave if I wasn't married
already. *We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about
buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the
winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer
climate.

Judith

Ah. *Then what you need is Dave's advice at Jardins Sec. *;-))
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Eh!! Dry gardens, is there such a group? I'll leave it until my Lord
and Master actually views property there, although he did look at some
at an Estate Agent's in Provence, so maybe there is some hope yet :-)

On 8/3/09 22:56, in article
, "Judith in
France" wrote:

On Mar 8, 10:53*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:51, in article
, "Judith in



France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:42, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:47, in article
,
"Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote:
It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star
Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US.
It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well
and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal
as a 'pot plant'.

Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing,
it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't
happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a
heated garden room or conservatory?

Judith

He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one!
David, I'd like to know where to find it?
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics".
Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah.

Judith

Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our
greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is
encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome!
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Tell me about it!!!!! *I would marry Dave if I wasn't married
already. *We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about
buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the
winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer
climate.

Judith

Ah. *Then what you need is Dave's advice at Jardins Sec. *;-))
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Eh!! Dry gardens, is there such a group? I'll leave it until my Lord
and Master actually views property there, although he did look at some
at an Estate Agent's in Provence, so maybe there is some hope yet :-)

There were some beauties in Country Life a week or two ago! But Jardins
Secs is Olivier Filippi's Nursery in Meze. Superb.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

On Mar 8, 11:05*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:56, in article
, "Judith in



France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:53*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:51, in article
, "Judith in

France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:42, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:47, in article
,
"Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote:
It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star
Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US.
It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well
and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal
as a 'pot plant'.

Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing,
it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't
happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a
heated garden room or conservatory?

Judith

He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one!
David, I'd like to know where to find it?
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics"..
Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah.

Judith

Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our
greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is
encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome!
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Tell me about it!!!!! *I would marry Dave if I wasn't married
already. *We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about
buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the
winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer
climate.

Judith

Ah. *Then what you need is Dave's advice at Jardins Sec. *;-))
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Eh!! *Dry gardens, is there such a group? *I'll leave it until my Lord
and Master actually views property there, although he did look at some
at an Estate Agent's in Provence, so maybe there is some hope yet :-)

There were some beauties in Country Life a week or two ago! *But Jardins
Secs is Olivier Filippi's Nursery in Meze. * Superb.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

Of course I remember you mentioning him. I don't think we could
afford a place that is sold in Country Life, we looked at a small
villa in the region of 1 million Euros, I don't think so!!! It was
small, 2 bedrooms, not even enough garden to put a pool in. I may
have to content myself with an apartment on the Promenade des Anglais
and cross a very busy road to swim in the Med.

Judith

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Judith in France wrote:
http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg

This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I
thought it was beautiful. For size comparison see my hand. Would it
be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could
survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet.

Many thanks

Intriguing. Could it be a Clerodendrum?

It looks like the monstrous result of miscegination between a hellebore
and honeysuckle.

But I like it.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk

On Mar 8, 11:16*pm, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France



wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:59*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:15, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 5:01*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 16:58, in article
, "Judith in

France" wrote:
On Mar 8, 4:37*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 16:25, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg

This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I
thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it
be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could
survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet.

Many thanks

Could be a Cestrum, possibly fasciculatum Newellii. *If it is, it wouldn't
be hardy with you, so you'd have to grow it in a pot. *Even then, it might
not get to that size of leaf and flower cluster in your garden but it's
still a lovely thing and worth growing. *Cestrum nocturnum is another
stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night.

If I grew it in a large pot, one like my Oleander grows in, I posted a
pic of that last year, do you think it would survive an unheated
drawing room in Winter?

Judith

Not below around -7C. *Charlie had much lower temps than us this year so may
be able to tell you more from personal experience. *Ours live in a
greenhouse where gentle heating comes on if it falls below 0C. *We can grow
C. parquii outside.

Our house is an L shape and we only heat one side of the L, we shut up
the other wing for the Winter as fuel is so expensive. I will put in a
max/mim thermometer just to see what it falls to, there is still snow
on the higher mountains here but it's not so cold so maybe it's too
late to take an accurate Winter reading.

Judith

I haven't checked today's outside temps today but all I can tell you is that
it's damn cold, still light and the curtains in my study are drawn to keep
the house warm! *The design of your house sounds extremely sensible but I
trust you have a sturdy door between one half of 'l' and the other. *;-)
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

It has been a lovely day here which we spent with friends, the ones I
told you about. We have not only a stout door between the L but three
feet walls! * It's time to go to bed now and I am pleasantly relaxed,
a good bottle of wine shared with friends does that to me. *Now, to
keep on topic, this is such a cold area but I notice friends have
vines, the local wine that I like is St. Pourcain , I might just have
a go at putting in just two vines and see what happens any advice from
anyone would be welcome I wonder if Emerys or David in Normandy have
vines?

We have vines and have had very hard frosts & cold winters *since I planted the
first one, which is 36 years old this year.
--

Martin

Martin, care to tell me the which one it is? (Don't say nope,
otherwise...)

Judith

The message

from Judith in France contains these words:

Another rapid change of subject, we get our chickens in April, I need
Mary Fisher, I haven't seen her posting recently, I do hope she is
o.k. She knows more than I will ever forget about hens. Mind you
RVal on here, also, is a hen expert, cooeeeeee Val?

Haven't seen Mary for ages, not even when bees are mentioned. As a
fellow Zetnut I'll try to raise her and see if she's OK.

--
Rusty
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional.
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk

Rusty wrote:

It looks like the monstrous result of miscegination between a hellebore
and honeysuckle.

And possibly more poisonous than both of them added together Rusty,
but then if we were to try and avoid plant toxins, gardens would be
devoid of the most popular ornamental plants.

I grew it (the Clerodendron) some years ago and it's a magnificent and
rewardingly rapid grower with quite luxuriant, impressive leaves
especially on new basal shoots . A chopped down, finger-high sucker
(this species is a bit of a 'runner') with barely any root was
received in late January and by late November it was well over 1.5m
high carrying several large clusters of flower. I was too confident
about its reputed US Zone 9b/10 rating and the ensuing long, wet, but
not cold winter winter saw it off. I've not been able to get any
more. Maybe if I'd given it protection until it was better established
I'd still have it now - although after this winter just passed ...

Judith, if you can source it, it will do well in a very large (40cms
diameter min.) amply drained container filled with any decent loam
based compost. In a conservatory or dragged out onto a warm, sunny
patio when frosts are over it will grow well, but you'll have to bring
it inside for flowering since it starts its performance in winter and
doesn't stand up to frequent or hard frosts very well. There's a more
compact, free-er flowering variety with darker coloured stems and
richly coloured leaf reverses, but the name escapes me. It still
makes a biggish plant although with smaller leaves, I feel that some
of the charm is lost.

In article ,
Martin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France
wrote:

Now, to
keep on topic, this is such a cold area but I notice friends have
vines, the local wine that I like is St. Pourcain , I might just have
a go at putting in just two vines and see what happens any advice from
anyone would be welcome I wonder if Emerys or David in Normandy have
vines?

We have vines and have had very hard frosts & cold winters since I
planted the first one, which is 36 years old this year.

Vines don't give a damn about cold - what they need for production
is a hot a summer and sunny autumn.

They aren't Mediterranean plants, but originate in somewhere like
Asia minor, eastern Europe and central Asia. And, especially up
in those mountains, it gets COLD.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

DaveP wrote:
Rusty wrote:

It looks like the monstrous result of miscegination between a hellebore
and honeysuckle.

And possibly more poisonous than both of them added together Rusty,
but then if we were to try and avoid plant toxins, gardens would be
devoid of the most popular ornamental plants.

I grew it (the Clerodendron) some years ago

I'm pleased someone could identify the species. But have you got the genus
name correct? Although they are totally unrelated and quite different, I
must admit that I always have to think twice before calling a plant
Clerodendrum or Crinodendron! Mind you, there are only a couple of species
of the latter and several hundred of the former.

According to the RHS Dictionary, it should be Clerodendrum.

--
Jeff

In message , Jeff Layman
writes
DaveP wrote:
Rusty wrote:

It looks like the monstrous result of miscegination between a hellebore
and honeysuckle.

And possibly more poisonous than both of them added together Rusty,
but then if we were to try and avoid plant toxins, gardens would be
devoid of the most popular ornamental plants.

I grew it (the Clerodendron) some years ago

I'm pleased someone could identify the species. But have you got the genus
name correct? Although they are totally unrelated and quite different, I
must admit that I always have to think twice before calling a plant
Clerodendrum or Crinodendron! Mind you, there are only a couple of species
of the latter and several hundred of the former.

According to the RHS Dictionary, it should be Clerodendrum.

Clerodendrum is Linnaeus's spelling. Burman coined the name first
spelling it Clerodendron (fide IPNI), but pre-1753 names don't count for
botanical priority.

However, fide Google Clerodendrum only outweighs Clerodendron is general
usage by about 3.5:1. If you go to Google Books (full view) the ratio
drops to about 1.6:1. If you go to the name search at Botanicus, which
is mostly older botanical literature Clerodendron becomes the commoner
spelling.

This is one of the cases where the correct name is not clear to someone
who is not a complete ICBN lawyer. On the one hand Linnaeus used the
form Clerodendrum, on the other hand orthographical mistakes are to be
corrected, and Linnaeus doesn't replicate Burman's spelling is his
citation, so he didn't obviously intend to change the spelling. IPNI has
standardised on Clerodendrum, so presumably that is correct, but it's
not obvious why it is.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:

This is one of the cases where the correct name is not clear to someone
who is not a complete ICBN lawyer. On the one hand Linnaeus used the
form Clerodendrum, on the other hand orthographical mistakes are to be
corrected, and Linnaeus doesn't replicate Burman's spelling is his
citation, so he didn't obviously intend to change the spelling. IPNI has
standardised on Clerodendrum, so presumably that is correct, but it's
not obvious why it is.

Consistency :-)

Seriously - that will be the justification, but God alone knows how
they came to that conclusion (I am sure that they don't). Anyway,
it doesn't matter, any more than Buddleia versus Buddleja.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.