I'm not a gardener either so I will also leave the group now. However I
will check tomorrow to read your confirmation that you have reported the
crime/s you witnessed. If you have not done so then I will make the report
myself.


I shouldn't waste Police time if I were you. Your time would be better used
checking back on such as timing.

This is an old story on the wherefores and whyfores of computer hacking and
caring for your computer, which I 'modified' for my own use. I was curious
that there had been no replies to the Oslers thread and wondered how I could
find out the number 'visitors', which is quite common on other sites, 34
have visited the thread on Garden banter, when I remembered the variation
explained in the Computer section in a Boating Magazine.

But what I would like to know is, that in my story, 'another' computer did
all the work, not mine, so why are so many people concerned about 'ME'
hacking into their computer and why are they running to the computer buffs
to see what damage I have done, AND, why are they worried 'if they have me
kill filed and don't read my threads'?????? Sort of coming out of the
woodwork comes to mind which is what I wanted in the first place :-)))

"ME" hack into a computer? I only just know how to switch mine on and use
it. Any problems and it is straight back to the shop!!

However, has it been a warning to you to make sure that the sort of thing I
reported cannot happen to you?????? Are you sure?????? Dead sure???????

Do have a nice day

Kindest regards

Mike

No-one accused you of hacking anything. We took at face value your claim
that your friend was hacking into peoples' computers.

Now that you have admitted your story was a pack of lies, I will not take
the matter further.
However I cannot speak for others, and if someone else has called in the
police it will be *you* who is guilty of wasting police time for making up
the story.

I sincerely hope that you have learned a lesson about your behaviour on this
and other newsgroups.
This thread will remain on Google, Yahoo, etc for future reference.

RG

--
..
"RG" wrote in message
...
No-one accused you of hacking anything. We took at face value your claim
that your friend was hacking into peoples' computers.

Now that you have admitted your story was a pack of lies, I will not take
the matter further.
However I cannot speak for others, and if someone else has called in the
police it will be *you* who is guilty of wasting police time for making up
the story.

I sincerely hope that you have learned a lesson about your behaviour on
this and other newsgroups.
This thread will remain on Google, Yahoo, etc for future reference.

RG

And I sincerely hope that you, and others, have learnt the lesson that your
computer MUST be up to date against all security issues :-))

Just to remind you, that the story has been going around for quite some
time, rather like the Supermarket taking some stuff from a supplier, then a
lot more, then ALL of it, then pushing the price down, then abandoning them.
Nobody ever 'knows' who it has happened to, but the story goes round as a
warning :-)) Be warned :-))

Do have a nice day

Sun shining wall to wall here :-))

Don't forget to cast your vote everyone for the BNP

Kind regards

Mike

On 2009-06-04 10:54:12 +0100, Martin said:

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:41:51 +0100, "RG" wrote:

No-one accused you of hacking anything. We took at face value your claim
that your friend was hacking into peoples' computers.

Now that you have admitted your story was a pack of lies, I will not take
the matter further.
However I cannot speak for others, and if someone else has called in the
police it will be *you* who is guilty of wasting police time for making up
the story.

I sincerely hope that you have learned a lesson about your behaviour on this
and other newsgroups.
This thread will remain on Google, Yahoo, etc for future reference.

and all those "forums" that hack stuff from urg and pretend it is all part of
their forum.

The point surely is that nobody now knows whether this is another of
Crowe's lies? He told us he had been present when someone had hacked
into an urgler's computer and that he intended to find out how that is
done.
He's changing his story to pretend it's all some urban myth. How do we
know he's not lying to cover his back having been threatened with the
police? Why would a man who says now he barely knows how to turn on
his computer, think that this group which is full of *very*
computer-savvy people needs any kind of lesson in computer security
from him? Even his over-stuffed ego can't render him that stupid,
surely?
I do not believe this about-face. One way or the other Crowe is lying
or has lied and is playing his usual hand of "I did it it for your own
good" or "you should read what I really wrote" etc. We've seen this
sort of thing from him dozens of times but this time, his desire to
boast has got him into hot water.
IMO, he did exactly what he said in the first place and now is
pretending it's all some urban myth, using one of his favourite
bugbears to do so, because a member of urg is consulting the police
about it. What kind of nutcase puts out a claim like that and then
tells another that he hopes it's been a lesson to him on his computer's
security?! I think he's guilty as hell and that finally, his
vainglorious boasting has turned on him and has potentially put him up
to his neck in real trouble.

--
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

Do I detect a little stirring?

No, never.

:-((

Oh dear.

And to think the sun is shining out there!!

Kindest possible regards

Mike

On Jun 4, 11:57*am, Sacha wrote:
On 2009-06-04 10:54:12 +0100, Martin said:



On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:41:51 +0100, "RG" wrote:

No-one accused you of hacking anything. We took at face value your claim
that your friend was hacking into peoples' computers.

Now that you have admitted your story was a pack of lies, I will not take
the matter further.
However I cannot speak for others, and if someone else has called in the
police it will be *you* who is guilty of wasting police time for making up
the story.

I sincerely hope that you have learned a lesson about your behaviour on this
and other newsgroups.
This thread will remain on Google, Yahoo, etc for future reference.

and all those *"forums" that hack stuff from urg and pretend it is all part of
their forum.

The point surely is that nobody now knows whether this is another of
Crowe's lies? *He told us he had been present when someone had hacked
into an urgler's computer and that he intended to find out how that is
done.
He's changing his story to pretend it's all some urban myth. *How do we
know he's not lying to cover his back having been threatened with the
police? *Why would a man who says now he barely knows how to turn on
his computer, think that this group which is full of *very*
computer-savvy people needs any kind of lesson in computer security
from him? *Even his over-stuffed ego can't render him that stupid,
surely?
I do not believe this about-face. *One way or the other Crowe is lying
or has lied and is playing his usual hand of "I did it it for your own
good" or "you should read what I really wrote" etc. *We've seen this
sort of thing from him dozens of times but this time, his desire to
boast has got him into hot water.
IMO, he did exactly what he said in the first place and now is
pretending it's all some urban myth, using one of his favourite
bugbears to do so, because a member of urg is consulting the police
about it. * What kind of nutcase puts out a claim like that and then
tells another that he hopes it's been a lesson to him on his computer's
security?! *I think he's guilty as hell and that finally, his
vainglorious boasting has turned on him and has potentially put him up
to his neck in real trouble.

--
--
Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

I am not computer savvy, it would be pointless pretending I was, I
would be sussed out in a second. However, I got my husband to read
this thread; he says we are behind a firewall and we are safe but he
has taken the post seriously and is to get advice on it from some real
savvy computer people, I'll let you know the outcome as this is quite
worrying. We have a lot of financial matters on our computers; the
thought of someone being able to ... well. I have no doubt the claims
made earlier will be pursued by someone as this is quite dangerous if
it is true.

Judith

"Judith in France" wrote in message
...
On Jun 4, 11:57 am, Sacha wrote:

I am not computer savvy, it would be pointless pretending I was, I
would be sussed out in a second. However, I got my husband to read
this thread; he says we are behind a firewall and we are safe but he
has taken the post seriously and is to get advice on it from some real
savvy computer people, I'll let you know the outcome as this is quite
worrying. We have a lot of financial matters on our computers; the
thought of someone being able to ... well. I have no doubt the claims
made earlier will be pursued by someone as this is quite dangerous if
it is true.

Let's be clear about this.
* If you have a proper firewall and virus checker you are safe.
* If you don't, you are vulnerable.

You should always be careful, and there are many sources of good advice.

Ignore fools like Mike Crowe who purport to advise you. As Sacha says,
either his original story was a lie or his denial of it is a lie. In either
case his opinion is worthless, and his gibbering excuses now are just plain
embarrassing. His family would be ashamed if they could see it.

In article ,
RG wrote:

Let's be clear about this.
* If you have a proper firewall and virus checker you are safe.
* If you don't, you are vulnerable.

Nope. Only the second is. You need to do a LOT more than that to be
even reasonably safe. While it's not beyond my abilities, it is way
beyond the effort I am prepared to expend, so even I live dangerously.

But those two are fairly easy ways of improving security.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Jun 4, 1:33*pm, wrote:
In article ,

RG wrote:

Let's be clear about this.
* If you have a proper firewall and virus checker you are safe.
* If you don't, you are vulnerable.

Nope. *Only the second is. *You need to do a LOT more than that to be
even reasonably safe. *While it's not beyond my abilities, it is way
beyond the effort I am prepared to expend, so even I live dangerously.

But those two are fairly easy ways of improving security.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

We have a virus checker that is updated daily.

Judith

On Jun 4, 1:48*pm, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:33:47 +0100 (BST), wrote:
In article ,
RG wrote:

Let's be clear about this.
* If you have a proper firewall and virus checker you are safe.
* If you don't, you are vulnerable.

Nope. *Only the second is. *You need to do a LOT more than that to be
even reasonably safe. *While it's not beyond my abilities, it is way
beyond the effort I am prepared to expend, so even I live dangerously.

But those two are fairly easy ways of improving security.

Gibson Research offer a free tool to check the transparency or otherwise of your
PChttps://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
--

Martin

Thanks Martin, I will get Edward to take a look at this.

Judith

On 2009-06-04 12:41:45 +0100, "RG" said:


"Judith in France" wrote in message
...
On

Jun 4, 11:57 am, Sacha wrote:

I am not computer savvy, it would be pointless pretending I was, I
would be sussed out in a second. However, I got my husband to read
this thread; he says we are behind a firewall and we are safe but he
has taken the post seriously and is to get advice on it from some real
savvy computer people, I'll let you know the outcome as this is quite
worrying. We have a lot of financial matters on our computers; the
thought of someone being able to ... well. I have no doubt the claims
made earlier will be pursued by someone as this is quite dangerous if
it is true.

Let's be clear about this.
* If you have a proper firewall and virus checker you are safe.
* If you don't, you are vulnerable.

You should always be careful, and there are many sources of good advice.

Ignore fools like Mike Crowe who purport to advise you. As Sacha says,
either his original story was a lie or his denial of it is a lie. In
either case his opinion is worthless, and his gibbering excuses now are
just plain embarrassing. His family would be ashamed if they could see
it.


I do not believe that Crowe posted that as a security warning to this
group. Even he knows how many highly computer savvy people there are
here and such a warning, coming, as it did, with absolutely no
relevance, would be totally redundant. He couldn't resist bragging
about something 'clever' he's involved himself with. It's glaringly
obvious that he started backtracking the very next time he posted after
he'd been told this was encouraging a criminal act and that the police
could become involved. In the long and wearisome annals of Crowe
stupidity, this particular attempt to counter lies with more lies and
wriggling, takes some beating. He is saying that I described his claim
as an urban myth. I did not. I said that *he* is trying to claim that
now because he thinks it expedient. I've never heard of such an urban
myth because we all know there are people who hack into computers for
gain or 'fun'. IMO, the more he wriggles, twists and lies the more
convincing it becomes that he had/has every intention of finding out
how his techie hacked. More than once he declared that he had watched
someone do it and that he was 'only' reporting what he'd seen.
*Now* he's pretending it was all a 'security warning' and is twisting
my posts, RG's and Judith's as if he were trying to get people to thank
him for it.

--
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

On Jun 4, 12:41*pm, "RG" wrote:
"Judith in France" wrote in ...
On Jun 4, 11:57 am, Sacha wrote:

I am not computer savvy, it would be pointless pretending I was, I
would be sussed out in a second. *However, I got my husband to read
this thread; he says we are behind a firewall and we are safe but he
has taken the post seriously and is to get advice on it from some real
savvy computer people, I'll let you know the outcome as this is quite
worrying. *We have a lot of financial matters on our computers; the
thought of someone being able to ... well. *I have no doubt the claims
made earlier will be pursued by someone as this is quite dangerous if
it is true.

Let's be clear about this.
* If you have a proper firewall and virus checker you are safe.
* If you don't, you are vulnerable.

You should always be careful, and there are many sources of good advice.

Ignore fools like Mike Crowe who purport to advise you. As Sacha says,
either his original story was a lie or his denial of it is a lie. In either
case his opinion is worthless, and his gibbering excuses now are just plain
embarrassing. His family would be ashamed if they could see it.

I don't read Mike because as he has claimed many times in the past; he
isn't a gardener; so why bother reading him?

Judith

In message , RG
wrote

Let's be clear about this.
* If you have a proper firewall and virus checker you are safe.
* If you don't, you are vulnerable.

See if 'Shields Up' can detect a hole in your firewall
http://www.grc.com/intro.htm

The above web site has been on the Net as long as I can remember and the
claim for 84.9 million shields up tests can be believed.

BTW, if you do find problems don't necessarily go out and buy a
solution as the cure may be a configuration setting on your own
computer. If you are not running a software firewall or virus checker
you can obtain them (legitimately) for free from the Net. Free firewall
or virus checker programs are usually exactly the same as paid for
versions but without the backup technical support - which most people
don't need anyway - or can be obtained for Internet forums.

--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

I am not computer savvy, it would be pointless pretending I was, I
would be sussed out in a second. However, I got my husband to read
this thread; he says we are behind a firewall and we are safe but he
has taken the post seriously and is to get advice on it from some real
savvy computer people, I'll let you know the outcome as this is quite
worrying. We have a lot of financial matters on our computers; the
thought of someone being able to ... well. I have no doubt the claims
made earlier will be pursued by someone as this is quite dangerous if
it is true.

Judith

...............................................


Judith so glad you have heeded the warning :-))

As you would have seen there is nothing to fear from my example which as
Sascha says is an Urban Myth, but is used as an example and warning.

However, do please have your computer checked for security measures, I have
mine done automatically every year :-)) I too have lots of financial
details, plus lots of lists of names and addresses of members of ex Services
Associations which are of course protected by the Data Protection Act and I
am responsible for their security and safety.

Best wishes

Mike

On 2009-06-04 12:31:16 +0100, Judith in France
said:

On Jun 4, 11:57*am, Sacha wrote:
On 2009-06-04 10:54:12 +0100, Martin said:



On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:41:51 +0100, "RG" wrote:

No-one accused you of hacking anything. We took at face value your cla
im
that your friend was hacking into peoples' computers.

Now that you have admitted your story was a pack of lies, I will not t
ake
the matter further.
However I cannot speak for others, and if someone else has called in t
he
police it will be *you* who is guilty of wasting police time for makin
g up
the story.

I sincerely hope that you have learned a lesson about your behaviour o
n this
and other newsgroups.
This thread will remain on Google, Yahoo, etc for future reference.

and all those *"forums" that hack stuff from urg and pretend it is al
l part of
their forum.

The point surely is that nobody now knows whether this is another of
Crowe's lies? *He told us he had been present when someone had hacked
into an urgler's computer and that he intended to find out how that is
done.
He's changing his story to pretend it's all some urban myth. *How do we
know he's not lying to cover his back having been threatened with the
police? *Why would a man who says now he barely knows how to turn on
his computer, think that this group which is full of *very*
computer-savvy people needs any kind of lesson in computer security
from him? *Even his over-stuffed ego can't render him that stupid,
surely?
I do not believe this about-face. *One way or the other Crowe is lying
or has lied and is playing his usual hand of "I did it it for your own
good" or "you should read what I really wrote" etc. *We've seen this
sort of thing from him dozens of times but this time, his desire to
boast has got him into hot water.
IMO, he did exactly what he said in the first place and now is
pretending it's all some urban myth, using one of his favourite
bugbears to do so, because a member of urg is consulting the police
about it. * What kind of nutcase puts out a claim like that and then
tells another that he hopes it's been a lesson to him on his computer's
security?! *I think he's guilty as hell and that finally, his
vainglorious boasting has turned on him and has potentially put him up
to his neck in real trouble.

--
--
Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

I am not computer savvy, it would be pointless pretending I was, I
would be sussed out in a second. However, I got my husband to read
this thread; he says we are behind a firewall and we are safe but he
has taken the post seriously and is to get advice on it from some real
savvy computer people, I'll let you know the outcome as this is quite
worrying. We have a lot of financial matters on our computers; the
thought of someone being able to ... well. I have no doubt the claims
made earlier will be pursued by someone as this is quite dangerous if
it is true.

Judith

I have talked to my computer adviser about this and received his
opinion and of course, I'm not going to disclose what he has said on
here. It seems that Fuschia, who has not yet posted today, intended to
consult the police on the matter. Whether he has or not, we don't
know, obviously. He may have decided to get a techie to check out his
computer first. Unfortunately for Crowe (who I see is now trying to
accuse urg of aggression, which, having told us he's watched someone
hack into one of our computers and wants to learn the tricks himself,
is just outrageous even by his standards!) his very unpleasant and
boastful nature makes me think it all too likely that he'd enjoy
learning how to get into others' computers and have some sort of 'hold'
over them that he could then drop hints about. Unfortunately for him,
his uncontrollable compulsion to brag means that this time he's shown
his hand rather too openly and has got himself into potentially serious
trouble if anyone detects a 'visitor' on their computer.
--
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon