On 2009-12-22 14:30:56 +0000, "Pete Stockdale"
said:


"mark" wrote in message
.. .

"someone" wrote in message
...
I just went to the Beeches Nursery U.K. website and was looking up a
dahlia when my anti-virus program went into overdrive. Suggest you avoid
that site.

someone

This one?
http://www.beechesnursery.co.uk/

No problems here, my AV soon shouts if the site is compromised.

mark

Can't be doing with anon. stuff anyway.
Could be anybody (:-[(

Regards
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com

Precisely. Hide behind no-name and try to wreck a business. What a
dreadful thing to do. I have every confidence in Zen.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

"Granity" wrote in message
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someone;872471 Wrote:[color=green][i]
"Mark" wrote in message
m...
someone wrote:

I just went to the Beeches Nursery U.K. website and was looking up a
dahlia
when my anti-virus program went into overdrive. Suggest you avoid
that
site.

someone

They're called false positives, suggest you inform Avira so they can
check it out.


I assume you looked at my screen grabs. Thank you, I will inform Avira.

someone

"mark" wrote in message
...

"someone" wrote in message
...

"Mark" wrote in message
m...
someone wrote:

I just went to the Beeches Nursery U.K. website and was looking up a
dahlia
when my anti-virus program went into overdrive. Suggest you avoid that
site.

someone

you can check an URL of a web site for Virus infection from here
http://online.us.drweb.com/?url=1
?http://www.beechesnursery.co.uk comes up clean

-

I am happy to hear that none of you had any problems with an apparent
virus on the Beeches Nursery site, however, it *did* happen to me on the
19th December. I have Avira Anti-Virus and it has proved very reliable
in the past couple of years. I grabbed a couple of screen shots of the
incident and you can view them here on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4204644002/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4203887527/



The AV window shows a detection, and I can see what I presume is Beeches
website underneath. However the AV window doesn't identify the offending
webpage. It would be quite easy to have any website showing under the AV.

Also why would you go to the trouble of capturing the screen image and
posting it on flickr?


mark

Because with Zen we can no longer post images directly.

I always capture screen images of anything I do that is either important or
that interests me, including banking, travel ( including flight tickets),
recipes, plant images, animals, pottery, news, - and anything troublesome on
my computer like viruses and trojans. How else do I have evidence, or how
can I go back and see it again? Also with a screen capture you don't have
to print the whole page with all its advertisements and stuff, you can pick
what you want.

Sorry if I cut the URL off the page, I was in a hurry in case the offending
message on the website vanished (as they sometimes do).

someone

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-21 22:28:07 +0000, "someone" said:


"Mark" wrote in message
m...
someone wrote:

I just went to the Beeches Nursery U.K. website and was looking up a
dahlia
when my anti-virus program went into overdrive. Suggest you avoid that
site.

someone

you can check an URL of a web site for Virus infection from here
http://online.us.drweb.com/?url=1
?http://www.beechesnursery.co.uk comes up clean

-

I am happy to hear that none of you had any problems with an apparent
virus
on the Beeches Nursery site, however, it *did* happen to me on the 19th
December. I have Avira Anti-Virus and it has proved very reliable in
the
past couple of years. I grabbed a couple of screen shots of the incident
and you can view them here on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4204644002/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4203887527/

I got out of the site, and got back into it a few minutes later and still
got the same result. I haven't tried since.

I'm not trying to put any nursery down, I'm a real nursery enthusiast. I
was just trying to alert people to a possible problem. I really do think
that Sacha went over the top to "shop" me to my ISP, and I'm glad she's
alerted Beeches Nursery, maybe they can have a look at my flickr photos
as
well. For obvious reasons I have redacted my own name in my screenshots.

There are no obvious reasons that I can see. If you're an outraged and
'damaged' customer, why hide your name while exposing theirs to doubt and
ridicule? Why not check with them, your ISP and your anti-virus program
suppliers first?

I wish the Beeches Nursery well, and may look at their site again
sometime
when I'm in an internet cafe and not on my own PC.

Maybe I was just unlucky with the Beeches Nursery at that point in time.

someone

If you're a genuinely concerned customer you'd go straight to the Nursery
and tell them the problem. You would not dash straight to the entire
world - literally - and warn them off a web site without consultation with
its owners. YOUR ISP is also MY ISP. You saw fit to post this
accusation anonymously which is very unfair to Beeches Nursery who do not
have the luxury of the anonymity you've given yourself. It's not one of
the most highly used or better known ISPs in newsgroup land, so I'm not
running the risk of some trouble-making idiot accusing me or another Zen
customer of doing this to Beeches Nursery, so OUR ISP will sort this out.
You hide your identity but don't allow Beeches a quick and early chance to
correct anything (that only *you* say is wrong) before you tell the world
to avoid their web site! From what I could see they run a good and
professional organisation and you have put that at risk, most unfairly and
unwisely. What Beeches Nursery does when they identify you is up to them,
of course.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon


You should calm down. I'm neither an "outraged" or "damaged" customer, I'm
not even a customer, I'm just a person grazing nursery websites looking for
a specific plant. If I get several warnings from my AV program, why should I
go back to that site? I suppose I could write them a snail mail to tell
them about this, so I don't have to do it online and risk another virus or
whatever. OTOH, I guess you've done the work for me, alerting my ISP and
the nursery. Thanks.

Everybody who has any sense hides their real email address when posting in
forums. I was so stupid as a newbie back in 1994 I posted in forums using
my real email address, now I have 500 emails a day trying to sell me drugs
and viagra.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:05:36 -0000, "someone"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-21 22:28:07 +0000, "someone" said:


"Mark" wrote in message
m...
someone wrote:

I just went to the Beeches Nursery U.K. website and was looking up a
dahlia
when my anti-virus program went into overdrive. Suggest you avoid that
site.

someone

you can check an URL of a web site for Virus infection from here
http://online.us.drweb.com/?url=1
?http://www.beechesnursery.co.uk comes up clean

-

I am happy to hear that none of you had any problems with an apparent
virus
on the Beeches Nursery site, however, it *did* happen to me on the 19th
December. I have Avira Anti-Virus and it has proved very reliable in
the
past couple of years. I grabbed a couple of screen shots of the incident
and you can view them here on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4204644002/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4203887527/

I got out of the site, and got back into it a few minutes later and still
got the same result. I haven't tried since.

I'm not trying to put any nursery down, I'm a real nursery enthusiast. I
was just trying to alert people to a possible problem. I really do think
that Sacha went over the top to "shop" me to my ISP, and I'm glad she's
alerted Beeches Nursery, maybe they can have a look at my flickr photos
as
well. For obvious reasons I have redacted my own name in my screenshots.

There are no obvious reasons that I can see. If you're an outraged and
'damaged' customer, why hide your name while exposing theirs to doubt and
ridicule? Why not check with them, your ISP and your anti-virus program
suppliers first?

I wish the Beeches Nursery well, and may look at their site again
sometime
when I'm in an internet cafe and not on my own PC.

Maybe I was just unlucky with the Beeches Nursery at that point in time.

someone

If you're a genuinely concerned customer you'd go straight to the Nursery
and tell them the problem. You would not dash straight to the entire
world - literally - and warn them off a web site without consultation with
its owners. YOUR ISP is also MY ISP. You saw fit to post this
accusation anonymously which is very unfair to Beeches Nursery who do not
have the luxury of the anonymity you've given yourself. It's not one of
the most highly used or better known ISPs in newsgroup land, so I'm not
running the risk of some trouble-making idiot accusing me or another Zen
customer of doing this to Beeches Nursery, so OUR ISP will sort this out.
You hide your identity but don't allow Beeches a quick and early chance to
correct anything (that only *you* say is wrong) before you tell the world
to avoid their web site! From what I could see they run a good and
professional organisation and you have put that at risk, most unfairly and
unwisely. What Beeches Nursery does when they identify you is up to them,
of course.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon


You should calm down. I'm neither an "outraged" or "damaged" customer, I'm
not even a customer, I'm just a person grazing nursery websites looking for
a specific plant. If I get several warnings from my AV program, why should I
go back to that site? I suppose I could write them a snail mail to tell
them about this, so I don't have to do it online and risk another virus or
whatever. OTOH, I guess you've done the work for me, alerting my ISP and
the nursery. Thanks.

Everybody who has any sense hides their real email address when posting in
forums. I was so stupid as a newbie back in 1994 I posted in forums using
my real email address, now I have 500 emails a day trying to sell me drugs
and viagra.


Ditto ... cept it was 1995 for me :-) .. and we were told in those
days, never put your real NAME in your email address .. now all seem
to do it !
I know a female who was tracked down to where she lived by that method
... she was a very scared lady for a while.

Mike P

On 2009-12-22 21:05:36 +0000, "someone" said:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-21 22:28:07 +0000, "someone" said:


"Mark" wrote in message
m...
someone wrote:

I just went to the Beeches Nursery U.K. website and was looking up a
dahlia
when my anti-virus program went into overdrive. Suggest you avoid that
site.

someone

you can check an URL of a web site for Virus infection from here
http://online.us.drweb.com/?url=1
?http://www.beechesnursery.co.uk comes up clean

-

I am happy to hear that none of you had any problems with an apparent
virus
on the Beeches Nursery site, however, it *did* happen to me on the 19th
December. I have Avira Anti-Virus and it has proved very reliable in
the
past couple of years. I grabbed a couple of screen shots of the incident
and you can view them here on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4204644002/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4203887527/

I got out of the site, and got back into it a few minutes later and still
got the same result. I haven't tried since.

I'm not trying to put any nursery down, I'm a real nursery enthusiast. I
was just trying to alert people to a possible problem. I really do think
that Sacha went over the top to "shop" me to my ISP, and I'm glad she's
alerted Beeches Nursery, maybe they can have a look at my flickr photos
as
well. For obvious reasons I have redacted my own name in my screenshots.

There are no obvious reasons that I can see. If you're an outraged and
'damaged' customer, why hide your name while exposing theirs to doubt and
ridicule? Why not check with them, your ISP and your anti-virus program
suppliers first?

I wish the Beeches Nursery well, and may look at their site again
sometime
when I'm in an internet cafe and not on my own PC.

Maybe I was just unlucky with the Beeches Nursery at that point in time.

someone

If you're a genuinely concerned customer you'd go straight to the Nursery
and tell them the problem. You would not dash straight to the entire
world - literally - and warn them off a web site without consultation with
its owners. YOUR ISP is also MY ISP. You saw fit to post this
accusation anonymously which is very unfair to Beeches Nursery who do not
have the luxury of the anonymity you've given yourself. It's not one of
the most highly used or better known ISPs in newsgroup land, so I'm not
running the risk of some trouble-making idiot accusing me or another Zen
customer of doing this to Beeches Nursery, so OUR ISP will sort this out.
You hide your identity but don't allow Beeches a quick and early chance to
correct anything (that only *you* say is wrong) before you tell the world
to avoid their web site! From what I could see they run a good and
professional organisation and you have put that at risk, most unfairly and
unwisely. What Beeches Nursery does when they identify you is up to them,
of course.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon


You should calm down. I'm neither an "outraged" or "damaged" customer, I'm
not even a customer, I'm just a person grazing nursery websites looking for
a specific plant. If I get several warnings from my AV program, why should I
go back to that site? I suppose I could write them a snail mail to tell
them about this, so I don't have to do it online and risk another virus or
whatever. OTOH, I guess you've done the work for me, alerting my ISP and
the nursery. Thanks.

You're most welcome. Thank you for your concern but I am very calm.
The one exhibiting hysteria is you by rushing to a newsgroup as you
did. There is a modern instrument called a telephone with which you
could contact that Nursery. There is private email. There is NOT a
need to jeopardise someone's business because you're having a bad
moment which may have nothing to do with them. And if it does, it
would have been reasonable to warn them of the problem.

Everybody who has any sense hides their real email address when posting in
forums. I was so stupid as a newbie back in 1994 I posted in forums using
my real email address, now I have 500 emails a day trying to sell me drugs
and viagra.

And that is your excuse for trying to wreck someone's trading
reputation? I hide my real email address (personal) but I use my own
name. If you wish to be taken seriously, perhaps you could do the
same. That way Beeches Nursery will be able to identify YOU, the
person, without having access to your private email address and if they
wish to do so, they will discover whether you are a disgruntled
customer, a sacked former employee with an axe to grind, or a total
stranger to their site who they could answer here. So - who are you?
Please post your real name with a munged email address, if the latter
makes you happy.


--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-22 21:05:36 +0000, "someone" said:
snip
You should calm down. I'm neither an "outraged" or "damaged" customer,
I'm
not even a customer, I'm just a person grazing nursery websites looking
for
a specific plant. If I get several warnings from my AV program, why
should I
go back to that site? I suppose I could write them a snail mail to tell
them about this, so I don't have to do it online and risk another virus
or
whatever. OTOH, I guess you've done the work for me, alerting my ISP
and
the nursery. Thanks.

You're most welcome. Thank you for your concern but I am very calm. The
one exhibiting hysteria is you by rushing to a newsgroup as you did.
There is a modern instrument called a telephone with which you could
contact that Nursery. There is private email. There is NOT a need to
jeopardise someone's business because you're having a bad moment which may
have nothing to do with them. And if it does, it would have been
reasonable to warn them of the problem.

Everybody who has any sense hides their real email address when posting
in
forums. I was so stupid as a newbie back in 1994 I posted in forums
using
my real email address, now I have 500 emails a day trying to sell me
drugs
and viagra.

And that is your excuse for trying to wreck someone's trading reputation?
I hide my real email address (personal) but I use my own name. If you
wish to be taken seriously, perhaps you could do the same. That way
Beeches Nursery will be able to identify YOU, the person, without having
access to your private email address and if they wish to do so, they will
discover whether you are a disgruntled customer, a sacked former employee
with an axe to grind, or a total stranger to their site who they could
answer here. So - who are you? Please post your real name with a munged
email address, if the latter makes you happy.

To reiterate, I am neither a disgruntled customer nor a sacked former
employee with an axe to grind, nor am I trying to wreck anybody's
reputation. I am a total stranger who was looking for a species of Dahlia.
I don't intend to go back to their site to get either their email address or
their telephone number. Anyway, you've told them all about it, so they
already know that at least one person had a problem with their site.

I don't intend to post my name. If my address is munged anyway, why should
you care if my name was Adam Smith or Eve Jones.

Have a nice Christmas.

someone

"Mike" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:05:36 -0000, "someone"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-21 22:28:07 +0000, "someone" said:


"Mark" wrote in message
m...
someone wrote:

I just went to the Beeches Nursery U.K. website and was looking up a
dahlia
when my anti-virus program went into overdrive. Suggest you avoid
that
site.

someone

you can check an URL of a web site for Virus infection from here
http://online.us.drweb.com/?url=1
?http://www.beechesnursery.co.uk comes up clean

-

I am happy to hear that none of you had any problems with an apparent
virus
on the Beeches Nursery site, however, it *did* happen to me on the 19th
December. I have Avira Anti-Virus and it has proved very reliable in
the
past couple of years. I grabbed a couple of screen shots of the
incident
and you can view them here on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4204644002/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12519030@N02/4203887527/

I got out of the site, and got back into it a few minutes later and
still
got the same result. I haven't tried since.

I'm not trying to put any nursery down, I'm a real nursery enthusiast.
I
was just trying to alert people to a possible problem. I really do
think
that Sacha went over the top to "shop" me to my ISP, and I'm glad she's
alerted Beeches Nursery, maybe they can have a look at my flickr photos
as
well. For obvious reasons I have redacted my own name in my
screenshots.

There are no obvious reasons that I can see. If you're an outraged and
'damaged' customer, why hide your name while exposing theirs to doubt
and
ridicule? Why not check with them, your ISP and your anti-virus program
suppliers first?

I wish the Beeches Nursery well, and may look at their site again
sometime
when I'm in an internet cafe and not on my own PC.

Maybe I was just unlucky with the Beeches Nursery at that point in
time.

someone

If you're a genuinely concerned customer you'd go straight to the
Nursery
and tell them the problem. You would not dash straight to the entire
world - literally - and warn them off a web site without consultation
with
its owners. YOUR ISP is also MY ISP. You saw fit to post this
accusation anonymously which is very unfair to Beeches Nursery who do
not
have the luxury of the anonymity you've given yourself. It's not one
of
the most highly used or better known ISPs in newsgroup land, so I'm not
running the risk of some trouble-making idiot accusing me or another Zen
customer of doing this to Beeches Nursery, so OUR ISP will sort this
out.
You hide your identity but don't allow Beeches a quick and early chance
to
correct anything (that only *you* say is wrong) before you tell the
world
to avoid their web site! From what I could see they run a good and
professional organisation and you have put that at risk, most unfairly
and
unwisely. What Beeches Nursery does when they identify you is up to
them,
of course.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon


You should calm down. I'm neither an "outraged" or "damaged" customer,
I'm
not even a customer, I'm just a person grazing nursery websites looking
for
a specific plant. If I get several warnings from my AV program, why should
I
go back to that site? I suppose I could write them a snail mail to tell
them about this, so I don't have to do it online and risk another virus or
whatever. OTOH, I guess you've done the work for me, alerting my ISP and
the nursery. Thanks.

Everybody who has any sense hides their real email address when posting in
forums. I was so stupid as a newbie back in 1994 I posted in forums using
my real email address, now I have 500 emails a day trying to sell me drugs
and viagra.


Ditto ... cept it was 1995 for me :-) .. and we were told in those
days, never put your real NAME in your email address .. now all seem
to do it !
I know a female who was tracked down to where she lived by that method
.. she was a very scared lady for a while.

Mike P

I had this problem in my naive early days with the WWW. After a problem
with a forum poster threatening me (we know your email address, your ISP,
where you live, etc.) I said I intended to phone the police, so then the
other poster contacted me and said "please don't do that, I was only having
a bit of fun with a newbie", and I haven't heard from the person again.
I've learned a few things since then.

someone

On 2009-12-23 16:34:29 +0000, "someone" said:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-22 21:05:36 +0000, "someone" said:
snip
You should calm down. I'm neither an "outraged" or "damaged" customer,
I'm
not even a customer, I'm just a person grazing nursery websites looking
for
a specific plant. If I get several warnings from my AV program, why
should I
go back to that site? I suppose I could write them a snail mail to tell
them about this, so I don't have to do it online and risk another virus
or
whatever. OTOH, I guess you've done the work for me, alerting my ISP
and
the nursery. Thanks.

You're most welcome. Thank you for your concern but I am very calm. The
one exhibiting hysteria is you by rushing to a newsgroup as you did.
There is a modern instrument called a telephone with which you could
contact that Nursery. There is private email. There is NOT a need to
jeopardise someone's business because you're having a bad moment which may
have nothing to do with them. And if it does, it would have been
reasonable to warn them of the problem.

Everybody who has any sense hides their real email address when posting
in
forums. I was so stupid as a newbie back in 1994 I posted in forums
using
my real email address, now I have 500 emails a day trying to sell me
drugs
and viagra.

And that is your excuse for trying to wreck someone's trading reputation?
I hide my real email address (personal) but I use my own name. If you
wish to be taken seriously, perhaps you could do the same. That way
Beeches Nursery will be able to identify YOU, the person, without having
access to your private email address and if they wish to do so, they will
discover whether you are a disgruntled customer, a sacked former employee
with an axe to grind, or a total stranger to their site who they could
answer here. So - who are you? Please post your real name with a munged
email address, if the latter makes you happy.

To reiterate, I am neither a disgruntled customer nor a sacked former
employee with an axe to grind, nor am I trying to wreck anybody's
reputation. I am a total stranger who was looking for a species of Dahlia.
I don't intend to go back to their site to get either their email address or
their telephone number. Anyway, you've told them all about it, so they
already know that at least one person had a problem with their site.

I don't intend to post my name. If my address is munged anyway, why should
you care if my name was Adam Smith or Eve Jones.

Have a nice Christmas.

someone

You, too. Perhaps yours will be enhanced by knowing that you might
have helped to spoil someone's business and thus reduced their
Christmas sales. As you post neither name nor address, nobody knows
who you are but you have happily broadcast the name of those you
accuse. Personally, I'd describe this as an ill-informed kneejerk
reaction, if I was feeling charitable. As it is, I think it's both
ignorant and nasty.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

"Sacha" wrote
Precisely. Hide behind no-name and try to wreck a business. What a
dreadful thing to do. I have every confidence in Zen.

The only thing I have to say now is that "someone" is using Avira antivirus
and that is a free program, you get what you pay for IMO and that is why I
have always used McAfee.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:05:00 -0000, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:



"Sacha" wrote
Precisely. Hide behind no-name and try to wreck a business. What a
dreadful thing to do. I have every confidence in Zen.

The only thing I have to say now is that "someone" is using Avira antivirus
and that is a free program, you get what you pay for IMO and that is why I
have always used McAfee.

AVG ... Zone Alarm .. Spybot .... all free .... Nothing has got past
that lot on my PC ... and I can see when it tried.

Mike P

"Mike" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:05:00 -0000, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:



"Sacha" wrote
Precisely. Hide behind no-name and try to wreck a business. What a
dreadful thing to do. I have every confidence in Zen.

The only thing I have to say now is that "someone" is using Avira
antivirus
and that is a free program, you get what you pay for IMO and that is why I
have always used McAfee.

AVG ... Zone Alarm .. Spybot .... all free .... Nothing has got past
that lot on my PC ... and I can see when it tried.

Mike P


Isn't all this bitching giving http://www.beechesnursery.co.uk/ a very good
airing :-))

There's no such thing as bad publicity unless your name is Ratner.

By keeping this thread going, it gives Beeches Nursery tons and tons of
publicity :-))

Well done everybody and 'someone' are you 'sure' you are not Beeches
Nursery???????

Merry Christmas to all my followers :-))

and others who have me kill filed .............. so they say :-)


--
Mike

The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rneba.org.uk
Luxury Self Catering on the Isle of Wight?
www.shanklinmanormews.co.uk

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:11:52 -0000, "someone"
wrote:

Beeches Nursery

There are some typing errors thou.

One that just jumped out at me in the tree section was Juglans regia
'Broadview', common name White Walnut.

In fact White Walnut or Juglans Cineria or Butternut is totally
different. http://www.gb-online.co.uk/livecart/shop/Potted.79

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Sacha" wrote
Precisely. Hide behind no-name and try to wreck a business. What a
dreadful thing to do. I have every confidence in Zen.

The only thing I have to say now is that "someone" is using Avira
antivirus and that is a free program, you get what you pay for IMO and
that is why I have always used McAfee.

I didn't get what I paid for in the '90's with Norton, it was absolute pants
and in the end I threw away £30 for a year's worth of nothing but trouble.
I paid for NOD 32 which was very good for about ten years, but they now seem
to be more interested in corporate stuff than in private individuals. So I
am currently using Avira, which is also a *pay-for* antivirus. When and if
I'm satisfied, I'll pay for it.

Spy-bot is free, too, and they proved to be pretty good when I had a problem
last year so I sent them a donation.

someone

In article , Bob Hobden
writes
The only thing I have to say now is that "someone" is using Avira
antivirus and that is a free program, you get what you pay for IMO and
that is why I have always used McAfee.


To be fair we use AVG antivirus and the free version has been excellent.
With mailwasher as well we seem covered.
Used to have MCfee but I didn't like the latest paid for virus
programmes as they stopped Tom playing some games and overrode
everything else frequently.

Janet
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Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk