My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me some
twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground with some
compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still green. One of
them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots appearing, so I presume
it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular time
of year to do so?


Ian

In article ,
lid says...
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me some
twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground with some
compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still green. One of
them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots appearing, so I presume
it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular time
of year to do so?


Ian



Move them next spring, if they come into growth this year give a very
dilute feed untill it looks like summers over then allow to go dormant,
don't let the pot/roots freeze, otherwise easy.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Charlie Pridham wrote:
In article ,
lid says...
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are
all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red
shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be
established enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is
there a particular time of year to do so?


Ian



Move them next spring, if they come into growth this year give a very
dilute feed untill it looks like summers over then allow to go
dormant, don't let the pot/roots freeze, otherwise easy.

Thanks Charlie. I'm not sure how I'd stop the roots freezing, as they're
just kind of stuck in the ground at the moment in a spare bed (where me
spuds were).


Ian

"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me some
twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground with
some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still green.
One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots appearing, so I
presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular
time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they eventually
died the following year. However if you can gets roots to grow they will be
fine but best not to let them freeze this coming winter and if they grow
away well next year plant them out. We have a nice yellow rose bush that
came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one
rooted properly and grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me
some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground
with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still
green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots
appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular
time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they eventually
died the following year. However if you can gets roots to grow they will
be fine but best not to let them freeze this coming winter and if they
grow away well next year plant them out. We have a nice yellow rose bush
that came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and
one rooted properly and grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of buying a
rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose cuttings
grow O.K. without one.

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me
some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground
with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still
green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots
appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular
time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots to grow
they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this coming winter and
if they grow away well next year plant them out. We have a nice yellow
rose bush that came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by a friend, 5
cuttings and one rooted properly and grew but then I did just shove them
in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of buying
a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose cuttings
grow O.K. without one.


I've always believed it's simply that the rose growers could not produce
enough roses by the cutting method, one cutting used for grafting would
produce quite a few plants, one from each bud.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK

Bob Hobden wrote:
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They
are all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has
new red shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these
shoots develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow
new canes or something like that? Is there any particular time it
will be established enough to transplant to a location I want it
in? Is there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots
to grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this
coming winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out.
We have a nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses
given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and
grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of
buying a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose
cuttings grow O.K. without one.


I've always believed it's simply that the rose growers could not
produce enough roses by the cutting method, one cutting used for
grafting would produce quite a few plants, one from each bud.

Aren't grafted ones supposed to be more vigorous?


Ian

"Ian B" wrote
Bob Hobden wrote:
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They
are all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has
new red shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these
shoots develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow
new canes or something like that? Is there any particular time it
will be established enough to transplant to a location I want it
in? Is there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots
to grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this
coming winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out.
We have a nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses
given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and
grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of
buying a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose
cuttings grow O.K. without one.


I've always believed it's simply that the rose growers could not
produce enough roses by the cutting method, one cutting used for
grafting would produce quite a few plants, one from each bud.

Aren't grafted ones supposed to be more vigorous?

They grow to a decent size quicker, that's true, but more vigorous over time
I'm not convinced. One elderly chap I knew made a rose hedge across the
front of his house by taking cuttings from a pink hybrid tea rose. They grew
to over 5ft tall and were indistinguishable from the original plant.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK

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lid says...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me
some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground
with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still
green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots
appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular
time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they eventually
died the following year. However if you can gets roots to grow they will
be fine but best not to let them freeze this coming winter and if they
grow away well next year plant them out. We have a nice yellow rose bush
that came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and
one rooted properly and grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of buying a
rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose cuttings
grow O.K. without one.


There are several reasons why specialist rose growers use budding, first
as Bob mentions is it reduces the quantity of stock plant that must be
maintained as each new plant takes less material, second it reduces the
time to produce a bigger plant as the stock (root system) can be several
years old before its used, this means a grower can react more quickly to
market trends, thirdly not all roses will take from cuttings, certainly
yellow roses are difficult and roses that suffer from mildew like
Rambling Rector.
There are however down sides, firstly suckers, not a problem with
cuttings and secondly the choice of root stock often means poor
performance on acid soils, and thirdly you need skilled persons to do the
work
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Charlie Pridham wrote:
In article ,
lid says...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They
are all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has
new red shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these
shoots develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow
new canes or something like that? Is there any particular time it
will be established enough to transplant to a location I want it
in? Is there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots
to grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this
coming winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out.
We have a nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses
given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and
grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of
buying a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose
cuttings grow O.K. without one.


There are several reasons why specialist rose growers use budding,
first as Bob mentions is it reduces the quantity of stock plant that
must be maintained as each new plant takes less material, second it
reduces the time to produce a bigger plant as the stock (root system)
can be several years old before its used, this means a grower can
react more quickly to market trends, thirdly not all roses will take
from cuttings, certainly yellow roses are difficult and roses that
suffer from mildew like Rambling Rector.
There are however down sides, firstly suckers, not a problem with
cuttings and secondly the choice of root stock often means poor
performance on acid soils, and thirdly you need skilled persons to do
the work

What about gorwing from seed; I mean amateurs not commercial growers? Is
that feasible or do our heavily artificically selected rose varieties just
not reproduce very well (or at all?) by the er birds and the bees method?


Ian

It's not necessarily that they don't reproduce well - if they're hybrids, the offspring will probably not match the parent rose.

A species rose should be OK - I've grown several R glauca from seed.

Not a quick way of propagating, though! Cuttings are far quicker to get a plant of flowering size.

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lid says...
Charlie Pridham wrote:
In article ,
lid says...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They
are all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has
new red shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these
shoots develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow
new canes or something like that? Is there any particular time it
will be established enough to transplant to a location I want it
in? Is there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots
to grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this
coming winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out.
We have a nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses
given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and
grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of
buying a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose
cuttings grow O.K. without one.


There are several reasons why specialist rose growers use budding,
first as Bob mentions is it reduces the quantity of stock plant that
must be maintained as each new plant takes less material, second it
reduces the time to produce a bigger plant as the stock (root system)
can be several years old before its used, this means a grower can
react more quickly to market trends, thirdly not all roses will take
from cuttings, certainly yellow roses are difficult and roses that
suffer from mildew like Rambling Rector.
There are however down sides, firstly suckers, not a problem with
cuttings and secondly the choice of root stock often means poor
performance on acid soils, and thirdly you need skilled persons to do
the work

What about gorwing from seed; I mean amateurs not commercial growers? Is
My limited experiance comes from seeds that my children sowed when little
and I was oblidged to grow on! The results which in no way resembled the
seed parent but in all cases were perfectly gardenworthy plants, just not
exceptional or different perhaps to ones already named, go for it its
good fun, just don't expect to make any money!!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Is that simply because a commonly used rootstock is a species of rose which prefers neutral to alkaline soils, or is tit some other reason?

btw - saw you in this month's Garden ;-) Nice to come across a familiar name.

Bob Hobden wrote:
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are
all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red
shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be
established enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is
there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots to
grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this coming
winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out. We have a
nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by
a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and grew but then I did
just shove them in the garden.

This sort of ties in with what I'm worried about; whether the cutting
attempting to grow before it has rooted properly might be too much for it.
I'm presuming that something is keeping it alive, since it's still green
(they all are) and there are shoots on it.


Ian

"Ian B" wrote in message
...
Bob Hobden wrote:
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are
all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red
shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.
snip

My daughter gave me a Kiftsgate rose a few weeks ago, a piece got broken off
and I stuck it in some water where it is producing healthy leaves but no
roots as yet, I don't suppose it will :-(

kate