My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me some
twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground with some
compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still green. One of
them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots appearing, so I presume
it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular time
of year to do so?


Ian

In article ,
lid says...
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me some
twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground with some
compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still green. One of
them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots appearing, so I presume
it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular time
of year to do so?


Ian



Move them next spring, if they come into growth this year give a very
dilute feed untill it looks like summers over then allow to go dormant,
don't let the pot/roots freeze, otherwise easy.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me some
twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground with
some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still green.
One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots appearing, so I
presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular
time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they eventually
died the following year. However if you can gets roots to grow they will be
fine but best not to let them freeze this coming winter and if they grow
away well next year plant them out. We have a nice yellow rose bush that
came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one
rooted properly and grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me
some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground
with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still
green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots
appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular
time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they eventually
died the following year. However if you can gets roots to grow they will
be fine but best not to let them freeze this coming winter and if they
grow away well next year plant them out. We have a nice yellow rose bush
that came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and
one rooted properly and grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of buying a
rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose cuttings
grow O.K. without one.

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

Charlie Pridham wrote:
In article ,
lid says...
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are
all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red
shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be
established enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is
there a particular time of year to do so?


Ian



Move them next spring, if they come into growth this year give a very
dilute feed untill it looks like summers over then allow to go
dormant, don't let the pot/roots freeze, otherwise easy.

Thanks Charlie. I'm not sure how I'd stop the roots freezing, as they're
just kind of stuck in the ground at the moment in a spare bed (where me
spuds were).


Ian

Bob Hobden wrote:
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are
all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red
shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be
established enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is
there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots to
grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this coming
winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out. We have a
nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by
a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and grew but then I did
just shove them in the garden.

This sort of ties in with what I'm worried about; whether the cutting
attempting to grow before it has rooted properly might be too much for it.
I'm presuming that something is keeping it alive, since it's still green
(they all are) and there are shoots on it.


Ian

"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me
some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground
with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still
green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots
appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular
time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots to grow
they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this coming winter and
if they grow away well next year plant them out. We have a nice yellow
rose bush that came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by a friend, 5
cuttings and one rooted properly and grew but then I did just shove them
in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of buying
a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose cuttings
grow O.K. without one.


I've always believed it's simply that the rose growers could not produce
enough roses by the cutting method, one cutting used for grafting would
produce quite a few plants, one from each bud.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK

Bob Hobden wrote:
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They
are all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has
new red shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these
shoots develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow
new canes or something like that? Is there any particular time it
will be established enough to transplant to a location I want it
in? Is there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots
to grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this
coming winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out.
We have a nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses
given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and
grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of
buying a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose
cuttings grow O.K. without one.


I've always believed it's simply that the rose growers could not
produce enough roses by the cutting method, one cutting used for
grafting would produce quite a few plants, one from each bud.

Aren't grafted ones supposed to be more vigorous?


Ian

"Ian B" wrote in message
...
Bob Hobden wrote:
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are
all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red
shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.
snip

My daughter gave me a Kiftsgate rose a few weeks ago, a piece got broken off
and I stuck it in some water where it is producing healthy leaves but no
roots as yet, I don't suppose it will :-(

kate

"Ian B" wrote
Bob Hobden wrote:
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They
are all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has
new red shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these
shoots develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow
new canes or something like that? Is there any particular time it
will be established enough to transplant to a location I want it
in? Is there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots
to grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this
coming winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out.
We have a nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses
given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and
grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of
buying a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose
cuttings grow O.K. without one.


I've always believed it's simply that the rose growers could not
produce enough roses by the cutting method, one cutting used for
grafting would produce quite a few plants, one from each bud.

Aren't grafted ones supposed to be more vigorous?

They grow to a decent size quicker, that's true, but more vigorous over time
I'm not convinced. One elderly chap I knew made a rose hedge across the
front of his house by taking cuttings from a pink hybrid tea rose. They grew
to over 5ft tall and were indistinguishable from the original plant.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK

snip

My daughter gave me a Kiftsgate rose a few weeks ago, a piece got broken
off and I stuck it in some water where it is producing healthy leaves but
no roots as yet, I don't suppose it will :-(

kate

Hold your horses - it's always worth waiting with plants.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon


LOL I can hold my horses Sacha, funny that you should use that expression.
In my youth I used to work as a groom in the stables of Mrs. Diany Binny, I
wasn't interested in gardening in those days but I do remember the walled
garden where the gardener -Mr. Jones I think - used to grow rather good
fruit.

kate

bury a few pieces of banana skin around the base within a few inches of the base of the cutting you have a good chance of it rooting better

In fact this is a good plan for any roses growing. Banana skins are great feed for roses!!

My gran taught me that and Ive always had good results

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
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"Ian B" wrote
Bob Hobden wrote:
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They
are all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has
new red shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these
shoots develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow
new canes or something like that? Is there any particular time it
will be established enough to transplant to a location I want it
in? Is there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots
to grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this
coming winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out.
We have a nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses
given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and
grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of
buying a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose
cuttings grow O.K. without one.


I've always believed it's simply that the rose growers could not
produce enough roses by the cutting method, one cutting used for
grafting would produce quite a few plants, one from each bud.

Aren't grafted ones supposed to be more vigorous?

They grow to a decent size quicker, that's true, but more vigorous over
time I'm not convinced. One elderly chap I knew made a rose hedge across
the front of his house by taking cuttings from a pink hybrid tea rose.
They grew to over 5ft tall and were indistinguishable from the original
plant.


I am assuming there is some difference in the rootstock because of the old
problem of telling the difference between rose shoots and suckers from the
rootstock which don't flower.
IIRC the rootstock has 7 section leaves and the rose has 5.

Cheers

Dave R
--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

LOL I can hold my horses Sacha, funny that you should use that
expression. In my youth I used to work as a groom in the stables of Mrs.
Diany Binny, I wasn't interested in gardening in those days but I do
remember the walled garden where the gardener -Mr. Jones I think - used
to grow rather good fruit.

kate
I should have said that all happened at Kiftsgate Court which was the whole
point of the conversation, sorry

kate

http://www.kiftsgate.co.uk/

In article ,
lid says...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave me
some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the ground
with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They are all still
green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has new red shoots
appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these shoots
develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow new canes or
something like that? Is there any particular time it will be established
enough to transplant to a location I want it in? Is there a particular
time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they eventually
died the following year. However if you can gets roots to grow they will
be fine but best not to let them freeze this coming winter and if they
grow away well next year plant them out. We have a nice yellow rose bush
that came from a bunch of roses given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and
one rooted properly and grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of buying a
rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose cuttings
grow O.K. without one.


There are several reasons why specialist rose growers use budding, first
as Bob mentions is it reduces the quantity of stock plant that must be
maintained as each new plant takes less material, second it reduces the
time to produce a bigger plant as the stock (root system) can be several
years old before its used, this means a grower can react more quickly to
market trends, thirdly not all roses will take from cuttings, certainly
yellow roses are difficult and roses that suffer from mildew like
Rambling Rector.
There are however down sides, firstly suckers, not a problem with
cuttings and secondly the choice of root stock often means poor
performance on acid soils, and thirdly you need skilled persons to do the
work
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea