Charlie Pridham wrote:
In article ,
lid says...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
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"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They
are all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has
new red shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these
shoots develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow
new canes or something like that? Is there any particular time it
will be established enough to transplant to a location I want it
in? Is there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots
to grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this
coming winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out.
We have a nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses
given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and
grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of
buying a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose
cuttings grow O.K. without one.


There are several reasons why specialist rose growers use budding,
first as Bob mentions is it reduces the quantity of stock plant that
must be maintained as each new plant takes less material, second it
reduces the time to produce a bigger plant as the stock (root system)
can be several years old before its used, this means a grower can
react more quickly to market trends, thirdly not all roses will take
from cuttings, certainly yellow roses are difficult and roses that
suffer from mildew like Rambling Rector.
There are however down sides, firstly suckers, not a problem with
cuttings and secondly the choice of root stock often means poor
performance on acid soils, and thirdly you need skilled persons to do
the work

What about gorwing from seed; I mean amateurs not commercial growers? Is
that feasible or do our heavily artificically selected rose varieties just
not reproduce very well (or at all?) by the er birds and the bees method?


Ian

Is that simply because a commonly used rootstock is a species of rose which prefers neutral to alkaline soils, or is tit some other reason?

btw - saw you in this month's Garden ;-) Nice to come across a familiar name.

It's not necessarily that they don't reproduce well - if they're hybrids, the offspring will probably not match the parent rose.

A species rose should be OK - I've grown several R glauca from seed.

Not a quick way of propagating, though! Cuttings are far quicker to get a plant of flowering size.

In article ,
lid says...
Charlie Pridham wrote:
In article ,
lid says...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...


"Ian B" wrote
My neighbour pruned a very admirable rose a few weeks ago and gave
me some twigs as I'd said I liked it. I stuck three of them in the
ground with some compost and fertiliser and kept them damp. They
are all still green. One of them lost its leaves, but now it has
new red shoots appearing, so I presume it's still alive.

I'm just wondering what to do now; that is, should I let these
shoots develop or not- will it exhaust itself by trying to grow
new canes or something like that? Is there any particular time it
will be established enough to transplant to a location I want it
in? Is there a particular time of year to do so?

I've had them appear to grow but obviously no roots did as they
eventually died the following year. However if you can gets roots
to grow they will be fine but best not to let them freeze this
coming winter and if they grow away well next year plant them out.
We have a nice yellow rose bush that came from a bunch of roses
given to Sue by a friend, 5 cuttings and one rooted properly and
grew but then I did just shove them in the garden.


What is the difference when you propogate from cuttings, instead of
buying a rose grafted onto a rootstock?
Just wondering what the rootstock brings to the party if the rose
cuttings grow O.K. without one.


There are several reasons why specialist rose growers use budding,
first as Bob mentions is it reduces the quantity of stock plant that
must be maintained as each new plant takes less material, second it
reduces the time to produce a bigger plant as the stock (root system)
can be several years old before its used, this means a grower can
react more quickly to market trends, thirdly not all roses will take
from cuttings, certainly yellow roses are difficult and roses that
suffer from mildew like Rambling Rector.
There are however down sides, firstly suckers, not a problem with
cuttings and secondly the choice of root stock often means poor
performance on acid soils, and thirdly you need skilled persons to do
the work

What about gorwing from seed; I mean amateurs not commercial growers? Is
My limited experiance comes from seeds that my children sowed when little
and I was oblidged to grow on! The results which in no way resembled the
seed parent but in all cases were perfectly gardenworthy plants, just not
exceptional or different perhaps to ones already named, go for it its
good fun, just don't expect to make any money!!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Sacha wrote:
On 2010-08-26 19:33:36 +0100, "Kate Morgan"
said:
[...]

My daughter gave me a Kiftsgate rose a few weeks ago, a piece got
broken off and I stuck it in some water where it is producing healthy
leaves but no roots as yet, I don't suppose it will :-(

kate

Hold your horses - it's always worth waiting with plants.

Certainly is. But shouldn't Kate get it out of the water and into some
free-draining compost before the roots get big enough to be damaged by
the process? And, of course, before the new plant notices that it isn't
getting anything to eat.

--
Mike.

Sacha wrote:
On 2010-08-28 19:39:02 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
said:

Sacha wrote:
On 2010-08-26 19:33:36 +0100, "Kate Morgan"
said:
[...]

My daughter gave me a Kiftsgate rose a few weeks ago, a piece got
broken off and I stuck it in some water where it is producing
healthy leaves but no roots as yet, I don't suppose it will :-(

kate

Hold your horses - it's always worth waiting with plants.

Certainly is. But shouldn't Kate get it out of the water and into
some free-draining compost before the roots get big enough to be
damaged by the process? And, of course, before the new plant notices
that it isn't getting anything to eat.

She said that it hasn't got any roots yet. If it does produce some
your advice sounds good.

Wouldn't some compost encourage it to root? Maybe it thinks it's doomed to
be a cut flower at the moment, and it needs some encouragement to believe it
has a future.


Ian

Ian B wrote:
Sacha wrote:
On 2010-08-28 19:39:02 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
said:

Sacha wrote:
On 2010-08-26 19:33:36 +0100, "Kate Morgan"
said:
[...]

My daughter gave me a Kiftsgate rose a few weeks ago, a piece got
broken off and I stuck it in some water where it is producing
healthy leaves but no roots as yet, I don't suppose it will :-(

kate

Hold your horses - it's always worth waiting with plants.

Certainly is. But shouldn't Kate get it out of the water and into
some free-draining compost before the roots get big enough to be
damaged by the process? And, of course, before the new plant notices
that it isn't getting anything to eat.

She said that it hasn't got any roots yet. If it does produce some
your advice sounds good.

Should have gone to Specsavers...


Wouldn't some compost encourage it to root? Maybe it thinks it's
doomed to be a cut flower at the moment, and it needs some
encouragement to believe it has a future.

Yes, that's what I think, too. I don't think we want it producing new
leaves before it's got a root system to feed them.

--
Mike.

snip
She said that it hasn't got any roots yet. If it does produce some
your advice sounds good.

Wouldn't some compost encourage it to root? Maybe it thinks it's doomed
to
be a cut flower at the moment, and it needs some encouragement to believe
it
has a future.


Ian

I've struck cuttings from other plants in water and then potted them up
but if she does that now, it may just seal off the end and nothing will
happen. I'm not saying that *would* happen but as it's putting out leaves
that sounds hopeful to me and not the action of an ordinary cut plant.
Willow does that and makes root in water, too.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

The rose cutting in question has been in water for some time now and is
beginning to wilt, the stem is turning black at the bottom :-(

kate

I've struck cuttings from other plants in water and then potted them up
but if she does that now, it may just seal off the end and nothing will
happen. I'm not saying that *would* happen but as it's putting out
leaves that sounds hopeful to me and not the action of an ordinary cut
plant. Willow does that and makes root in water, too.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

The rose cutting in question has been in water for some time now and is
beginning to wilt, the stem is turning black at the bottom :-(

kate

In that case, can you take a cutting further up the stem and then pop that
into some compost?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

Indeed that is the most sensible thing to do, when it gets as short as a
cigarette stub I will give up :-)

kate

Sacha wrote:
On 2010-09-03 10:20:36 +0100, "Kate Morgan"
said:

I've struck cuttings from other plants in water and then potted
them up but if she does that now, it may just seal off the end
and nothing will happen. I'm not saying that *would* happen but
as it's putting out leaves that sounds hopeful to me and not the
action of an ordinary cut plant. Willow does that and makes root
in water, too. --
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

The rose cutting in question has been in water for some time now
and is beginning to wilt, the stem is turning black at the bottom
:-( kate

In that case, can you take a cutting further up the stem and then
pop that into some compost?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

Indeed that is the most sensible thing to do, when it gets as short
as a cigarette stub I will give up :-)

kate

At least you've still got the original! Killing that off would
probably require a shedload of weed killer. In my previous garden a
neighbour had planted one which had gone the full height of a mature
walnut tree and its slightly smaller brother and had then reached over
to start colonising parts of my garden. It's a wonderful rose but
what might reasonably be called 'vigorous'. ;-)

That actually sounds pretty spectacular. Did it bloom well?


Ian

At least you've still got the original! Killing that off would
probably require a shedload of weed killer. In my previous garden a
neighbour had planted one which had gone the full height of a mature
walnut tree and its slightly smaller brother and had then reached over
to start colonising parts of my garden. It's a wonderful rose but
what might reasonably be called 'vigorous'. ;-)

That actually sounds pretty spectacular. Did it bloom well?


Ian

I was wondering how vigorous it is, as good as Rambling Rector ?

kate

I was wondering how vigorous it is, as good as Rambling Rector ?

kate

More so, I'd say by a long chalk. On reflection I think it probably
holds the title of voracious rather than just vigorous! I really doubt
if there's another rose to match it for rampaging all over the place.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

eeek, now I have to decide where to put it :-)

kate

I was wondering how vigorous it is, as good as Rambling Rector ?

kate

More so, I'd say by a long chalk. On reflection I think it probably
holds the title of voracious rather than just vigorous! I really doubt
if there's another rose to match it for rampaging all over the place.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

eeek, now I have to decide where to put it :-)

kate

In another County! ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon


LOL