Someone has asked my advice about parking a car on what at the moment is
grass.
I have no idea really what to suggest or what might be feasible.
At the moment her son parks his mini on her small patch of grass .
leaving about 8 foot of soil between the car and the window. i suggested
we make the grass into perhaps chippings and then a barrier between that
and the window so she can have some shrubs.
He has to park off the road as their road is quite narrow and lots of
people park there.
Is it at all possible bearing in mind the grass/lawn is now quite hard
and worn, to perhaps kill or skim off the grass and then put weed
supressant blanket down and then heavy duty chippinmgs?

Hoping for some pointers here. Don't think she could afford full blown
landscapers to do it for her etc. and of course you can't pave front
gardens.

The other side of her front path, we are going to make a sort of
grasses and Mediterranean stuff as the grass there is also pretty awful
and it's only about 4 foot wide.
--
Janet Tweedy

On 18/08/2011 14:35, Janet Tweedy wrote:
Someone has asked my advice about parking a car on what at the moment is
grass.

How badly is the grass suffering?

Plenty of people park on grass with two tracks of hard standing for the
car tyres or that hexagonal plastic mesh let into the ground to spread
the weight of the car in wet winter weather.

Provided the car is not parked there all day every day and the grass
gets to see some light I doubt if there is too much of a problem.

I have no idea really what to suggest or what might be feasible.
At the moment her son parks his mini on her small patch of grass .
leaving about 8 foot of soil between the car and the window. i suggested
we make the grass into perhaps chippings and then a barrier between that
and the window so she can have some shrubs.
He has to park off the road as their road is quite narrow and lots of
people park there.
Is it at all possible bearing in mind the grass/lawn is now quite hard
and worn, to perhaps kill or skim off the grass and then put weed
supressant blanket down and then heavy duty chippinmgs?

Hoping for some pointers here. Don't think she could afford full blown
landscapers to do it for her etc. and of course you can't pave front
gardens.

I thought it was just that you had to get planning permission now (not
that I am encouraging concrete or asphalt jungle mentality).

The other side of her front path, we are going to make a sort of grasses
and Mediterranean stuff as the grass there is also pretty awful and it's
only about 4 foot wide.

Or a fern garden if it is mostly in shade that is what I have done with
one of my tricky narrow areas of shade.

Regards,
Martin Brown

In article , Martin Brown
writes
How badly is the grass suffering?

Plenty of people park on grass with two tracks of hard standing for the
car tyres or that hexagonal plastic mesh let into the ground to spread
the weight of the car in wet winter weather.

Provided the car is not parked there all day every day and the grass
gets to see some light I doubt if there is too much of a problem.



Well it doesn't look that good and it means she has to get her lawnmower
from the back to the front through her house as there's no access to the
back (she's in a sort of terrace)

It would mean so much less hassle if we could ge6 rid of the grass and
just let her have a border and no lawn to upkeep.

Her son works on his car as well some weekends and does park it in the
week sometimes if he gets a lift to work with his mates.
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy wrote:

Someone has asked my advice about parking a car on what at the moment is
grass.
I have no idea really what to suggest or what might be feasible.
At the moment her son parks his mini on her small patch of grass .
leaving about 8 foot of soil between the car and the window. i suggested
we make the grass into perhaps chippings and then a barrier between that
and the window so she can have some shrubs.
He has to park off the road as their road is quite narrow and lots of
people park there.
Is it at all possible bearing in mind the grass/lawn is now quite hard
and worn, to perhaps kill or skim off the grass and then put weed
supressant blanket down and then heavy duty chippinmgs?

Hoping for some pointers here. Don't think she could afford full blown
landscapers to do it for her etc. and of course you can't pave front
gardens.

To get an idea of what is involved, have a look at
http://www.pavingexpert.com/

A few points. To do the job properly you need a suitable
sub-base, for which you will probably have to excavate.

Do you already have a dropped kerb, with its related permission
to drive over the pavement? If not, this is not something you can
do yourself.

I note that, in my area, when planning permission for drives is
granted, they usually impose a condition that there is no lose
surfacing material within a stated distance of the highway.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:20:51 +0100, Janet Tweedy
wrote:

In article , Martin Brown
writes
How badly is the grass suffering?

Plenty of people park on grass with two tracks of hard standing for the
car tyres or that hexagonal plastic mesh let into the ground to spread
the weight of the car in wet winter weather.

Provided the car is not parked there all day every day and the grass
gets to see some light I doubt if there is too much of a problem.



Well it doesn't look that good and it means she has to get her lawnmower
from the back to the front through her house as there's no access to the
back (she's in a sort of terrace)

It would mean so much less hassle if we could ge6 rid of the grass and
just let her have a border and no lawn to upkeep.

Her son works on his car as well some weekends and does park it in the
week sometimes if he gets a lift to work with his mates.

Things may not be as straightforward as you might think.

A lot depends on your local authority. If there is a pavement (or just
a kerb) between the front garden and the roadway then the LA may
insist on her obtaining permission to install a dropped kerb (this may
come from the highway authority). Then planning permission may be
required to replace the grass with anything (FWIW, the LA here will
refuse consent for a dropped kerb plus chippings because they get
thrown up onto the road and will insist on either block paving or
tarmac plus additional drainage to prevent rain runoff onto the
roadway or permeable blocks/paving). And you guessed it, the LA is
both the highway authority and the planning authority but they may
require two separate applications for consent!

In any event, just laying chippings over a membrane will leave a long
term problem as the chippings need to be "supported" or they will
simply press into the ground over time.

Cheers
Jake
==============================================
Gardening at the dry end (east) of Swansea Bay
in between reading anything by JRR Tolkien.

www.rivendell.org.uk

On Aug 18, 3:36*pm, Jake Nospam@invalid wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:20:51 +0100, Janet Tweedy





wrote:
In article , Martin Brown
writes
How badly is the grass suffering?

Plenty of people park on grass with two tracks of hard standing for the
car tyres or that hexagonal plastic mesh let into the ground to spread
the weight of the car in wet winter weather.

Provided the car is not parked there all day every day and the grass
gets to see some light I doubt if there is too much of a problem.

Well it doesn't look that good and it means she has to get her lawnmower
from the back to the front through her house as there's no access to the
back (she's in a sort of terrace)

It would mean so much less hassle if we could ge6 rid of the grass and
just let her have a border and no lawn to upkeep.

Her son works on his car as well some weekends and does park it in the
week sometimes if he gets a lift to work with his mates.

Things may not be as straightforward as you might think.

A lot depends on your local authority. If there is a pavement (or just
a kerb) between the front garden and the roadway then the LA may
insist on her obtaining permission to install a dropped kerb (this may
come from the highway authority). Then planning permission may be
required to replace the grass with anything (FWIW, the LA here will
refuse consent for a dropped kerb plus chippings because they get
thrown up onto the road and will insist on either block paving or
tarmac plus additional drainage to prevent rain runoff onto the
roadway or permeable blocks/paving). And you *guessed it, the LA is
both the highway authority and the planning authority but they may
require two separate applications for consent!

In any event, just laying chippings over a membrane will leave a long
term problem as the chippings need to be "supported" or they will
simply press into the ground over time.

Cheers
Jake
==============================================
Gardening at the dry end (east) of Swansea Bay
in between reading anything by JRR Tolkien.

www.rivendell.org.uk- Hide quoted text -

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You could look at these 2 products
Tenax GP-Flex Non-Slip Grass Protection Mesh
Netlon Turfguard

There are others similar that come in squares but I think the roll is
better.

"Janet Tweedy" wrote .

Someone has asked my advice about parking a car on what at the moment is
grass.
I have no idea really what to suggest or what might be feasible.
At the moment her son parks his mini on her small patch of grass . leaving
about 8 foot of soil between the car and the window. i suggested we make
the grass into perhaps chippings and then a barrier between that and the
window so she can have some shrubs.
He has to park off the road as their road is quite narrow and lots of
people park there.
Is it at all possible bearing in mind the grass/lawn is now quite hard and
worn, to perhaps kill or skim off the grass and then put weed supressant
blanket down and then heavy duty chippinmgs?

Hoping for some pointers here. Don't think she could afford full blown
landscapers to do it for her etc. and of course you can't pave front
gardens.

The other side of her front path, we are going to make a sort of grasses
and Mediterranean stuff as the grass there is also pretty awful and it's
only about 4 foot wide.

Why not put some hard standing only where the tyres will run. Something like
two railway sleepers set into the ground. Chippings are a nightmare if you
use it for car standing as it gets caught in the tyres and spread into the
road etc and is very nasty to kneel/lie on if he is doing work on the
vehicle. A simple kerb of similar will stop him rolling onto the
shrub/flower area too.

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
W.of London. UK

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:35:50 +0100, Janet Tweedy
wrote:

Someone has asked my advice about parking a car on what at the moment is
grass.
I have no idea really what to suggest or what might be feasible.
At the moment her son parks his mini on her small patch of grass .
leaving about 8 foot of soil between the car and the window. i suggested
we make the grass into perhaps chippings and then a barrier between that
and the window so she can have some shrubs.
He has to park off the road as their road is quite narrow and lots of
people park there.
Is it at all possible bearing in mind the grass/lawn is now quite hard
and worn, to perhaps kill or skim off the grass and then put weed
supressant blanket down and then heavy duty chippinmgs?

Hoping for some pointers here. Don't think she could afford full blown
landscapers to do it for her etc. and of course you can't pave front
gardens.

The other side of her front path, we are going to make a sort of
grasses and Mediterranean stuff as the grass there is also pretty awful
and it's only about 4 foot wide.

Concerning the paving of front gardens you may want to have a look at
the EA's guidance on the permeable surfacing of front gardens at
http://www.communities.gov.uk/docume...ontgardens.pdf
which should make things clearer. It explains that -
'You will not need planning permission if a new or replacement
driveway of any size uses permeable (or porous) surfacing, such as
gravel, permeable concrete block paving or porous asphalt, or if the
rainwater is directed to a lawn or border to drain naturally.
If the surface to be covered is more than five square metres planning
permission will be needed for laying traditional, impermeable
driveways that do not provide for the water to run to a permeable
area.'

Others have recommended Cormaic's site for excellent guides to the
various options available
http://www.pavingexpert.com/gravel01.htm for gravel
http://www.pavingexpert.com/grasspav.htm#cell for grass protection
http://www.pavingexpert.com/permabl1.html for permeable paving

rbel

In article , Bob Hobden
writes
Why not put some hard standing only where the tyres will run. Something
like two railway sleepers set into the ground. Chippings are a
nightmare if you use it for car standing as it gets caught in the tyres
and spread into the road etc and is very nasty to kneel/lie on if he is
doing work on the vehicle. A simple kerb of similar will stop him
rolling onto the shrub/flower area too.


Oh, now that good idea Bob, though she would still then a very small
amount of grass that would need cutting etc, unless we dug it up and
planted stuff like thymes?

Not sure about the dropped pavement, Down their road it's mainly council
housing and the majority do park on the grass a lot of the time. She
just wanted to make it look a bit more cared for .
The current garden path is higher than the grass so maybe sleepers or
something are really good alternative.
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

In article ,
lid writes
Concerning the paving of front gardens you may want to have a look at
the EA's guidance on the permeable surfacing of front gardens at
http://www.communities.gov.uk/docume...ontgardens.pdf
which should make things clearer. It explains that -
'You will not need planning permission if a new or replacement
driveway of any size uses permeable (or porous) surfacing, such as
gravel, permeable concrete block paving or porous asphalt, or if the
rainwater is directed to a lawn or border to drain naturally.
If the surface to be covered is more than five square metres planning
permission will be needed for laying traditional, impermeable
driveways that do not provide for the water to run to a permeable
area.'

Others have recommended Cormaic's site for excellent guides to the
various options available
http://www.pavingexpert.com/gravel01.htm for gravel
http://www.pavingexpert.com/grasspav.htm#cell for grass protection
http://www.pavingexpert.com/permabl1.html for permeable paving

Yes my first port of call was Cormaic's website. Thanks for the other
link also.

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
and of course you can't pave front gardens.


You can't? Why not? I had my front garden block paved to provide parking
as I don't have a garage.

Tina

On Aug 18, 3:27*pm, Chris J Dixon wrote:
I note that, in my area, when planning permission for drives is
granted, they usually impose a condition that there is no lose
surfacing material within a stated distance of the highway.

Some places now require that a drive has to be large enough to allow
the car to be turned, so that drivers do not reverse into the
carriageway. This effectively stops the removal of a front wall and
parking on the tiny front gardens of terraced housing, although I
suppose people already doing it cannot have permission revoked.

Christina Websell wrote:


"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
and of course you can't pave front gardens.


You can't? Why not? I had my front garden block paved to provide
parking as I don't have a garage.

Tina

http://www.crystalclearideas.co.uk/b...permission.htm

"JIP" wrote in message
...
Christina Websell wrote:


"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
and of course you can't pave front gardens.


You can't? Why not? I had my front garden block paved to provide
parking as I don't have a garage.

Tina

http://www.crystalclearideas.co.uk/b...permission.htm


Please take note that this is a site flogging paving. Of course they are
going to paint a 'YOU MUST NOT' but read the small print and
interpretations, which credit to them, they have included, but read what is
written, complete with spelling mistakes, not what you THINK is written.


'From 1st October 2008 the permitted developement rights that allow
householders to pave their front gardens for hard standings without planning
permission has changed. Planning permission is now required to lay
traditional impermeable driveways that allow uncontrolled runoff of
rainwater from the front gardens onto the road because this can contribute
to flooding and polution of watercourses'


"""traditional impermeable driveways that allow uncontrolled runoff of
rainwater from the front gardens onto the road because this can contribute
to flooding and polution of watercourses """

""""uncontrolled runoff of rainwater from the front gardens onto the road
""""

In other words, if the rain water just goes off the slabs onto the flower
beds and stays within the garden. No planning permission.

Mike


....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

....................................

On 21/08/2011 08:45, 'Mike' wrote:
wrote in message
...
Christina Websell wrote:


"Janet wrote in message
...
and of course you can't pave front gardens.


You can't? Why not? I had my front garden block paved to provide
parking as I don't have a garage.

Tina

http://www.crystalclearideas.co.uk/b...permission.htm


Please take note that this is a site flogging paving. Of course they are
going to paint a 'YOU MUST NOT' but read the small print and
interpretations, which credit to them, they have included, but read what is
written, complete with spelling mistakes, not what you THINK is written.


'From 1st October 2008 the permitted developement rights that allow
householders to pave their front gardens for hard standings without planning
permission has changed. Planning permission is now required to lay
traditional impermeable driveways that allow uncontrolled runoff of
rainwater from the front gardens onto the road because this can contribute
to flooding and polution of watercourses'

"""traditional impermeable driveways that allow uncontrolled runoff of
rainwater from the front gardens onto the road because this can contribute
to flooding and polution of watercourses """

""""uncontrolled runoff of rainwater from the front gardens onto the road
""""

In other words, if the rain water just goes off the slabs onto the flower
beds and stays within the garden. No planning permission.

It is funnier when some prat does it with tarmac and then finds that the
runoff water pools around their front door and/or enters the house next
time there is a serious thunderstorm!

Regards,
Martin Brown