"Janet" wrote
On 12/11/2011 11:38, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
Try it. I'm sure you will be able to make some cellophane packets.

He might have to pay for those. To maximise profit and saving the
world
he should aim for the ecologically astute green customer, and sell his
bayleaves packaged in a recycled, pre-loved brown paper envelope (the
kind
that bills arrive in).

Dry them in the open, add "sun-dried" and double the price. It works
with tomatoes.
--
Sue

In article
,
(Dave Hill) wrote:

Found this on Ebay

Urtica Dioica (Stinging Nettle) Each lot contains 6000 seeds

I'd wondered about selling some unusual seed I've been growing but
wondered if there were a lot of regulations? Some "proper" seed suppliers
seem to be registered as seed packers and claim "EC Rules and Standards".

Are there any regulations about selling seeds over and above anything
else?

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - To get my real address, remove one fruit

There is a company down here in Cornwall that will buy 'stinging nettle' leaves that they use to wrap the local cheese called 'Cornish Yarg' and very nice it is too.
Lannerman.

Steve Harris wrote:
I'd wondered about selling some unusual seed I've been growing but
wondered if there were a lot of regulations? Some "proper" seed suppliers
seem to be registered as seed packers and claim "EC Rules and Standards".

Are there any regulations about selling seeds over and above anything
else?

I've sold seed on ebay, particularly for large pumpkins. As long as you're
clear about what it is you're selling, and for things like pumpkins you have
to take into account potential cross-fertilisation so the baby may not
resemble the parent! But if there were regulations, I think ebay would have
put a stop to it!

On 15/11/2011 10:23, wrote:
Steve wrote:
I'd wondered about selling some unusual seed I've been growing but
wondered if there were a lot of regulations? Some "proper" seed suppliers
seem to be registered as seed packers and claim "EC Rules and Standards".

Are there any regulations about selling seeds over and above anything
else?

I've sold seed on ebay, particularly for large pumpkins. As long as you're
clear about what it is you're selling, and for things like pumpkins you have
to take into account potential cross-fertilisation so the baby may not
resemble the parent! But if there were regulations, I think ebay would have
put a stop to it!

Damned right. I tried to sell unused Frontline pipettes when our cat
died and they (and Gumtree) were on to it within an hour. Never occurred
to me it was an offence

stuart noble wrote:
Damned right. I tried to sell unused Frontline pipettes when our cat
died and they (and Gumtree) were on to it within an hour. Never occurred
to me it was an offence

I have no idea what they are (I remember using pipettes in chemistry class)
- are they actually filled with some medical something (Frontline, at a
guess? anti-flea or herbal supplement, or somesuch?)

If they're medical, I'm not at all surprised. My mum had a load of my nan's
medication left in her car when she died, and the only way to dispose of
them was to take them to a chemist. Couldn't, I believe, even donate them
back to a hospice or community nurse. Presumably you have to be qualified
and registered to hand them out.

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writes
stuart noble wrote:
Damned right. I tried to sell unused Frontline pipettes when our cat
died and they (and Gumtree) were on to it within an hour. Never occurred
to me it was an offence

I have no idea what they are (I remember using pipettes in chemistry class)
- are they actually filled with some medical something (Frontline, at a
guess? anti-flea or herbal supplement, or somesuch?)


Yup, flea treatment for Cats.
--
Chris French

In article ,
writes
If they're medical, I'm not at all surprised. My mum had a load of my nan's
medication left in her car when she died, and the only way to dispose of
them was to take them to a chemist. Couldn't, I believe, even donate them
back to a hospice or community nurse. Presumably you have to be qualified
and registered to hand them out.


Actually there's a brilliant charity based in Leicester that are
desperate for unused medical supplies to send out to poorer countries..
I got free labels from them after Tom died and sent them all the stuff
I had, the chemist would destroy them, this charity sends them out to
third world locations and will take most stuff.

Janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:40:06 +0000, Janet Tweedy
wrote:

In article ,
writes
If they're medical, I'm not at all surprised. My mum had a load of my nan's
medication left in her car when she died, and the only way to dispose of
them was to take them to a chemist. Couldn't, I believe, even donate them
back to a hospice or community nurse. Presumably you have to be qualified
and registered to hand them out.


Actually there's a brilliant charity based in Leicester that are
desperate for unused medical supplies to send out to poorer countries..
I got free labels from them after Tom died and sent them all the stuff
I had, the chemist would destroy them, this charity sends them out to
third world locations and will take most stuff.

Janet


I've got a bag of stuff I don't take anymore that had been on the way
to the chemist for a while...

Is it this one:
http://www.intercare.org.uk/donate-medicines
?
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Janet Tweedy wrote:

In article ,
writes
If they're medical, I'm not at all surprised. My mum had a load of my nan's
medication left in her car when she died, and the only way to dispose of
them was to take them to a chemist. Couldn't, I believe, even donate them
back to a hospice or community nurse. Presumably you have to be qualified
and registered to hand them out.


Actually there's a brilliant charity based in Leicester that are
desperate for unused medical supplies to send out to poorer countries..
I got free labels from them after Tom died and sent them all the stuff
I had, the chemist would destroy them, this charity sends them out to
third world locations and will take most stuff.

http://www.intercare.org.uk/donate-medicines

That page makes it look like your GP has to do the donation right up to
the last couple of lines at the bottom where it says you can post direct
to them.

Brilliant idea. I've always hated that handing them to a pharmacy meant
they would be destroyed. I've also had a problem where a pharmacy gave
me a blank look when I tried to retun them. Presumably because it almost
never happens.

Warwick

On 16/11/2011 10:19, Warwick wrote:

Brilliant idea. I've always hated that handing them to a pharmacy meant
they would be destroyed. I've also had a problem where a pharmacy gave
me a blank look when I tried to retun them. Presumably because it almost
never happens.

Warwick

Here in France a friend's wife had two lots of some medication costing
800 euros per lot related to cancer treatment. It was paid for by the
state but the medication was found to be ineffective so the second lot
would not be used. On asking what to do with the other unopened lot the
doctor said to throw it away! My friend asked about taking it back to
the pharmacy but the doc said they would just throw it away too! So some
drugs company has been paid a huge amount of money for extremely
expensive drugs that have simply been put into the rubbish. No wonder
the French health system is in financial meltdown.

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:25:55 +0100, David in Normandy
wrote:

On 16/11/2011 10:19, Warwick wrote:

Brilliant idea. I've always hated that handing them to a pharmacy meant
they would be destroyed. I've also had a problem where a pharmacy gave
me a blank look when I tried to retun them. Presumably because it almost
never happens.

Warwick

Here in France a friend's wife had two lots of some medication costing
800 euros per lot related to cancer treatment. It was paid for by the
state but the medication was found to be ineffective so the second lot
would not be used. On asking what to do with the other unopened lot the
doctor said to throw it away! My friend asked about taking it back to
the pharmacy but the doc said they would just throw it away too! So some
drugs company has been paid a huge amount of money for extremely
expensive drugs that have simply been put into the rubbish. No wonder
the French health system is in financial meltdown.

I've been through the same process after being supplied with a very
expensive drug for MS. It did not work at all so I offered to the
return the remaining unopened packs. The response was "throw away"
from everyone I could find involved with supplying the drug until I
got back to the drug company. They told me not to throw it away
because it could be dangerous. They then sent me a yellow package to
return the drug to them along with the number of a suitably
transporting company.

Steve

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On 16/11/2011 14:58, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:25:55 +0100, David in Normandy
wrote:

On 16/11/2011 10:19, Warwick wrote:

Brilliant idea. I've always hated that handing them to a pharmacy meant
they would be destroyed. I've also had a problem where a pharmacy gave
me a blank look when I tried to retun them. Presumably because it almost
never happens.

Warwick

Here in France a friend's wife had two lots of some medication costing
800 euros per lot related to cancer treatment. It was paid for by the
state but the medication was found to be ineffective so the second lot
would not be used. On asking what to do with the other unopened lot the
doctor said to throw it away! My friend asked about taking it back to
the pharmacy but the doc said they would just throw it away too! So some
drugs company has been paid a huge amount of money for extremely
expensive drugs that have simply been put into the rubbish. No wonder
the French health system is in financial meltdown.

I've been through the same process after being supplied with a very
expensive drug for MS. It did not work at all so I offered to the
return the remaining unopened packs. The response was "throw away"
from everyone I could find involved with supplying the drug until I
got back to the drug company. They told me not to throw it away
because it could be dangerous. They then sent me a yellow package to
return the drug to them along with the number of a suitably
transporting company.


I can't help wondering if the drug company was concerned that junkies
could find them in the rubbish and suffer ill consequences or if their
intention was simply to check that the seals were unbroken on the drugs
and sell them again. If you got them via the NHS, it is they who should
really take the benefit not the drugs manufacturer. I suppose there is
always the danger that someone could tamper with drugs and return them
maliciously. I guess the best solution all round is not to over
prescribe in the first place, especially with expensive medication that
is simply being tried for effectiveness on the patient.

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:21:48 +0100, David in Normandy
wrote:


I can't help wondering if the drug company was concerned that junkies
could find them in the rubbish and suffer ill consequences or if their
intention was simply to check that the seals were unbroken on the drugs
and sell them again.

It would be an interesting experience for junkies before death set in.
I very much doubt the drug company would sell them again.

If you got them via the NHS, it is they who should
really take the benefit not the drugs manufacturer.

The consultant works for NHS but the drugs were supplied privately.

I suppose there is
always the danger that someone could tamper with drugs and return them
maliciously.

That's always a risk.

I guess the best solution all round is not to over
prescribe in the first place, especially with expensive medication that
is simply being tried for effectiveness on the patient.

They weren't over prescribed. I only had a months worth. It became
obvious that they would not help me within a few days. The drugs were
fully tested. Checking up later I found that they only worked in a
small % of people.

Steve

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David in Normandy wrote:

On 16/11/2011 14:58, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:25:55 +0100, David in Normandy
wrote:

On 16/11/2011 10:19, Warwick wrote:

Brilliant idea. I've always hated that handing them to a pharmacy meant
they would be destroyed. I've also had a problem where a pharmacy gave
me a blank look when I tried to retun them. Presumably because it almost
never happens.

Warwick

Here in France a friend's wife had two lots of some medication costing
800 euros per lot related to cancer treatment. It was paid for by the
state but the medication was found to be ineffective so the second lot
would not be used. On asking what to do with the other unopened lot the
doctor said to throw it away! My friend asked about taking it back to
the pharmacy but the doc said they would just throw it away too! So some
drugs company has been paid a huge amount of money for extremely
expensive drugs that have simply been put into the rubbish. No wonder
the French health system is in financial meltdown.

I've been through the same process after being supplied with a very
expensive drug for MS. It did not work at all so I offered to the
return the remaining unopened packs. The response was "throw away"
from everyone I could find involved with supplying the drug until I
got back to the drug company. They told me not to throw it away
because it could be dangerous. They then sent me a yellow package to
return the drug to them along with the number of a suitably
transporting company.


I can't help wondering if the drug company was concerned that junkies
could find them in the rubbish and suffer ill consequences or if their
intention was simply to check that the seals were unbroken on the drugs
and sell them again. If you got them via the NHS, it is they who should
really take the benefit not the drugs manufacturer. I suppose there is
always the danger that someone could tamper with drugs and return them
maliciously. I guess the best solution all round is not to over
prescribe in the first place, especially with expensive medication that
is simply being tried for effectiveness on the patient.

In my early years as an IT bod (1997-ish). I worked for a year at the
development site in Weybridge that SmithKline Beecham ran. That year was
(really well paid) a highlight of what drugs companies consider
important. The 'pilot plant' was contained in its own concrete surround.
Leakage into the ground was *not* allowed even when they were just
testing how to manufacture a new toothpaste. Some of the labs were
pretty much sealed. On one of their sites I had to wear a fully
contained suit to go and work on a PC in a class 5 lab.

I learned a lot from them and have learned other stuff since.

Chucking medicines down the toilet is common and a problem. Diluting it
out is a damned good way to develop resistant organisms. Anti-biotics
can cause big problems for sewage plants too.

Even putting them in the bin can be a risk if they end up in landfill.
The packaging will eventually degrade and the local bacteria will have a
go at it. Maybe a small amount will be able to cope. Bacteria are able
to put 'new' code into small bits of DNA called plasmids. Bacteria of
other species can pick up and sometimes use 'foreign' plasmids.

TB is on the rise again. The new variants have quite a bit of resistance
to the common medicines.



*Speculation*

Anthrax is pretty common in the ground. A couple of mutations would
allow it to infect more easily. It is also *fairly* easy to treat (if
you catch it soon enough. Fancy seeing a form of Anthrax that tranmits
easily and is resistant to medicines?

*end*

We've already got SARS, MRSA and a few other resistant bacteria. Finish
your course even if you feel better (As I will with the Amoxicilin I
started today) and dispose of anything your GP tellsyou to stop properly.

Warwick