Is this normal?

Hi, I am new to the forum and to growing tomatoes. I live in North Norfolk, UK. I have planted half a dozen Garden Pearl tomato seeds. All have germinated however, one seedling has 4 cotyledon leaves as opposed to two. Apart from the number of cotyledon leaves, the seedling looks identical to the others. Is this normal or should I discard the seedling as a mutation?

I have read some information about 3 leaf cotyledon seedlings but this is very limited and I have found nothing on 4 leaf varieties. Unfortunately I have been unable to access the FAQs so have not been able to check these.

Any help appreciated.
Thanks

On Feb 19, 12:34*pm, Flayme wrote:
Is this normal?

Hi, I am new to the forum and to growing tomatoes. I live in North
Norfolk, UK. I have planted half a dozen Garden Pearl tomato seeds. All
have germinated however, one seedling has 4 cotyledon leaves as opposed
to two. *Apart from the number of cotyledon leaves, the seedling looks
identical to the others. Is this normal or should I discard the seedling
as a mutation?

I have read some information about 3 leaf cotyledon seedlings but this
is very limited and I have found nothing on 4 leaf varieties.
Unfortunately I have been unable to access the FAQs so have not been
able to check these.

Any help appreciated.
Thanks

--
Flayme

Abstract
We describe mutations of three genes in Arabidopsis thaliana—extra
cotyledon1 (xtc1), extra cotyledon2 (xtc2), and altered meristem
programming1 (amp1)—that transform leaves into cotyledons. In all
three of these mutations, this transformation is associated with a
change in the timing of events in embryogenesis. xtc1 and xtc2 delay
the morphogenesis of the embryo proper at the globular-to-heart
transition but permit the shoot apex to develop to an unusually
advanced stage late in embryogenesis. Both mutations have little or no
effect on seed maturation and do not affect the viability of the shoot
or the rate of leaf initiation after germination. amp1 perturbs the
pattern of cell division at an early globular stage, dramatically
increases the size of the shoot apex and, like xtc1 and xtc2, produces
enlarged leaf primordia during seed development. These unusual
phenotypes suggest that these genes play important regulatory roles in
embryogenesis and demonstrate that the development of the shoot apical
meristem and the development of the embryo proper are regulated by
independent processes that must be temporally coordinated to ensure
normal organ identity.

"Dave Hill" wrote in message
...
On Feb 19, 12:34 pm, Flayme wrote:
Is this normal?

Hi, I am new to the forum and to growing tomatoes. I live in North
Norfolk, UK. I have planted half a dozen Garden Pearl tomato seeds. All
have germinated however, one seedling has 4 cotyledon leaves as opposed
to two. Apart from the number of cotyledon leaves, the seedling looks
identical to the others. Is this normal or should I discard the seedling
as a mutation?

I have read some information about 3 leaf cotyledon seedlings but this
is very limited and I have found nothing on 4 leaf varieties.
Unfortunately I have been unable to access the FAQs so have not been
able to check these.

Any help appreciated.
Thanks

--
Flayme

Abstract
We describe mutations of three genes in Arabidopsis thaliana—extra
cotyledon1 (xtc1), extra cotyledon2 (xtc2), and altered meristem
programming1 (amp1)—that transform leaves into cotyledons.

SNIP
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow! From someone who still deals in degrees fahrenheit and inches of
rainfall, that explanation of what happens in 'mouse eared cress' would
confuse a university botanist. I will try to translate:-

In the germination of a seed, changes may take place in the number of
apparent cotyledons. This may involve the modification of one or two of the
first two true leaves to look like cotyledons. There will be no difference
in the look of the final plant. I am a well known breeder of Chrysanthemums
and each year amongst my seedlings there are 2-3% which have more than the
standard 2 cotyledons. In the past I have separated these in the hope that
these seedlings will in some ways be superior. I have found no such
superiority or flaws.

Grow your tomato seedlings on as normal, you will see no difference.

Phil

On Feb 20, 3:24*pm, "Phil Gurr" wrote:
"Dave Hill" wrote in message

...
On Feb 19, 12:34 pm, Flayme wrote:





Is this normal?

Hi, I am new to the forum and to growing tomatoes. I live in North
Norfolk, UK. I have planted half a dozen Garden Pearl tomato seeds. All
have germinated however, one seedling has 4 cotyledon leaves as opposed
to two. Apart from the number of cotyledon leaves, the seedling looks
identical to the others. Is this normal or should I discard the seedling
as a mutation?

I have read some information about 3 leaf cotyledon seedlings but this
is very limited and I have found nothing on 4 leaf varieties.
Unfortunately I have been unable to access the FAQs so have not been
able to check these.

Any help appreciated.
Thanks

--
Flayme

Abstract
We describe mutations of three genes in Arabidopsis thaliana—extra
cotyledon1 (xtc1), extra cotyledon2 (xtc2), and altered meristem
programming1 (amp1)—that transform leaves into cotyledons.

SNIP
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow! From someone who still deals in degrees fahrenheit and inches of
rainfall, that explanation of what happens in 'mouse eared cress' would
confuse a university botanist. I will try to translate:-

In the germination of a seed, changes may take place in the number of
apparent cotyledons. This may involve the modification of one or two of the
first two true leaves to look like cotyledons. There will be no difference
in the look of the final plant. I am a well known breeder of Chrysanthemums
and each year amongst my seedlings there are 2-3% which have more than the
standard 2 cotyledons. In the past I have separated these in the hope that
these seedlings will in some ways be superior. I have found no such
superiority or flaws.

Grow your tomato seedlings on as normal, you will see no difference.

Phil- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And I use feet and inches, lbs and oz, gallons and pints, and I wish
they would get rid of this new fangled money and bring back Pounds
shillings and pence.

Hi Dave and Phil,

Thank you both for your replies and your help (and for the translation). I will let the seedling live and grow it on with the others as suggested.

I'm with you on the lbs & ozs, gallons and pints, but I quite like the new money.

Best wishes
Flayme

On Feb 23, 7:44*pm, Flayme wrote:
Dave Hill;951477 Wrote:





On Feb 20, 3:24*pm, "Phil Gurr" wrote:-
"Dave Hill" wrote in message

....
On Feb 19, 12:34 pm, Flayme wrote:

-
Is this normal?-
-
Hi, I am new to the forum and to growing tomatoes. I live in North
Norfolk, UK. I have planted half a dozen Garden Pearl tomato seeds.
All
have germinated however, one seedling has 4 cotyledon leaves as
opposed
to two. Apart from the number of cotyledon leaves, the seedling looks
identical to the others. Is this normal or should I discard the
seedling
as a mutation?-
-
I have read some information about 3 leaf cotyledon seedlings but
this
is very limited and I have found nothing on 4 leaf varieties.
Unfortunately I have been unable to access the FAQs so have not been
able to check these.-
-
Any help appreciated.
Thanks-
-
--
Flayme-

Abstract
We describe mutations of three genes in Arabidopsis thaliana—extra
cotyledon1 (xtc1), extra cotyledon2 (xtc2), and altered meristem
programming1 (amp1)—that transform leaves into cotyledons.

SNIP
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow! From someone who still deals in degrees fahrenheit and inches of
rainfall, that explanation of what happens in 'mouse eared cress'
would
confuse a university botanist. I will try to translate:-

In the germination of a seed, changes may take place in the number of
apparent cotyledons. This may involve the modification of one or two of
the
first two true leaves to look like cotyledons. There will be no
difference
in the look of the final plant. I am a well known breeder of
Chrysanthemums
and each year amongst my seedlings there are 2-3% which have more than
the
standard 2 cotyledons. In the past I have separated these in the hope
that
these seedlings will in some ways be superior. I have found no such
superiority or flaws.

Grow your tomato seedlings on as normal, you will see no difference.

Phil- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text --

And I use feet and inches, lbs and oz, gallons and pints, and I wish
they would get rid of this new fangled money and bring back Pounds
shillings and pence.

Hi Dave and Phil,

Thank you both for your replies and your help (and for the translation).
I will let the seedling live and grow it on with the others as
suggested.

I'm with you on the lbs & ozs, gallons and pints, but I quite like the
new money.

Best wishes
Flayme

--
Flayme- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I remember when they got rid of the 1/2 p the outcry that now prices
would have to rise by 1p now.
Now when the supermarkets raise their prices, it seems to be 10p a
time.

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:31:38 -0800 (PST), Dave Hill
wrote:


I remember when they got rid of the 1/2 p the outcry that now prices
would have to rise by 1p now.
Now when the supermarkets raise their prices, it seems to be 10p a
time.

Memories. My favourite choccie bar of old was Fry's Turkish Delight
which used to come in 2 sizes - 4d and 6d. I think the current £6.50
bar is a bit smaller than the old 4d one. Then there were Mars bars.
These were for special occasions as they were 8d.

In even younger days, I remember the Saturday dash with my pocket
money. First visit was to the local Woolies for 2d worth of salted
peanuts. That was followed by the local record store where I could buy
a 78rpm record for 4d - the 78 versions were cheaper than the new
45/33s.

Later in life I was caught out in the same store when they raised the
price of 45s from 2/6 to 3 shillings and I had to ask Dad for an
increase in my allowance.

I can't remember what seeds cost in those days as they were always
bought for my by an uncle who started teaching me to garden before I
started school.

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling happily from the dryer end of Swansea Bay.

On 2/23/2012 4:31 PM, Dave Hill wrote:

I remember when they got rid of the 1/2 p the outcry that now prices
would have to rise by 1p now.
Now when the supermarkets raise their prices, it seems to be 10p a
time.

I remember when they got rid of the farthing...

On Feb 23, 10:40*pm, S Viemeister wrote:
On 2/23/2012 4:31 PM, Dave Hill wrote:

I remember when they got rid of the 1/2 p *the outcry that now prices
would have to rise by 1p now.
Now when the supermarkets raise their prices, it seems to be 10p a
time.

I remember when they got rid of the farthing...

So do I , I liked the wren on the back of it., but appart from having
them in Xmas puddings I don't remember the propper Silver Sixpence.

5p today is worth about the same as 1/2 p at the time decimal coinage came in. So we may as well chuck the coppers now, not that they are copper any more, because the copper came to be worth more than the coin, they are coated steel.

It was amusing being in Portugal just before the Euro came in - their smallest coin at that time was the 2 1/2 Escudo. They had got rid of 1/2, 1 and 2 Escudo coins, but retained 2 1/2. It works. For us, that would be like keeping the old sixpence.

"Dave Hill" wrote in message
...
On Feb 23, 10:40 pm, S Viemeister wrote:
On 2/23/2012 4:31 PM, Dave Hill wrote:

I remember when they got rid of the 1/2 p the outcry that now prices
would have to rise by 1p now.
Now when the supermarkets raise their prices, it seems to be 10p a
time.

I remember when they got rid of the farthing...

So do I , I liked the wren on the back of it., but appart from having
them in Xmas puddings I don't remember the propper Silver Sixpence.


Silver Threepence. Joey

Mike


--

....................................

I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.

....................................

In article , Jake
writes
Memories. My favourite choccie bar of old was Fry's Turkish Delight
which used to come in 2 sizes - 4d and 6d. I think the current £6.50
bar is a bit smaller than the old 4d one. Then there were Mars bars.
These were for special occasions as they were 8d.


I could never afford a cheese roll at Eltham baths swimming pool as they
were 6d but I had spent the money getting the bus up there from new
Eltham and the entrance fee.

I used to like the 5 boys chocolate which had the photographs of 5 boys
on the back of the wrapper. Acid spangles were my favourite in a blue
wrapper. Like sharp lemonade taste. The frightful black wrapper ones
were I think liquorice tasting or something equally as dire.
Who could forget Fireman's hose , well i could as it was also awful but
Tom remembered it and Jamboree bags filled with an assortment of stuff.
Oh and flying saucers with rice paper outers.


--
Janet Tweedy
k

with different expressions denoting the emotions during the unwrapping and eating of said chocolate, starting with "anticipation"
You just don't like licorice, do you? ;-)
I love it, and I loved black spangles. And aniseed balls
Overrated. Sherbet needs to be eaten in quantity!

Presumably you also remember halfpenny chews?