Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and ideally,
I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is that okay to
do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a house, but
according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6 mtrs, so I hope 2
mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay. What do you think?

TIA
Al

On 13/03/14 15:19, AL_n wrote:
Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and ideally,
I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is that okay to
do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a house, but
according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6 mtrs, so I hope 2
mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay. What do you think?

I wouldn't.

It would *probably* be OK (if the rootstock is as described...) but your
house insurance might not cover damage caused by mistakenly planting
something which might undermine your neighbour's foundations.

Why not grow it in a *BIG* planter?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 13/03/2014 15:19, AL_n wrote:
Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and ideally,
I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is that okay to
do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a house, but
according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6 mtrs, so I hope 2
mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay. What do you think?

I think that would be a bit close to the house and not good for either.

Also you have to consider the loss of light from its canopy when the
thing grows. It may shade windows in an annoying manner.

You don't say what rootstock it is on so it is hard to guess what the
actual size will be and I have found that some plants which grow small
at under 2m for me on heavy clay are rampant and 3+m elsewhere.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Martin Brown wrote in
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On 13/03/2014 15:19, AL_n wrote:
Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and
ideally, I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is
that okay to do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a
house, but according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6
mtrs, so I hope 2 mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay.
What do you think?

I think that would be a bit close to the house and not good for
either.

Also you have to consider the loss of light from its canopy when the
thing grows. It may shade windows in an annoying manner.

You don't say what rootstock it is on so it is hard to guess what the
actual size will be and I have found that some plants which grow small
at under 2m for me on heavy clay are rampant and 3+m elsewhere.


Thanks for the replies. The printed blurb on the tag doesn't say anything
about the rootstock. It just says it's eventual height and spread will both
be about 2.7 mtrs.

Am I right in thinking that the roots of a tree generally spread about the
same amount as the branches?

The ground (beneath a thin layer of topsoil) is heavy clay, so hopefully
that will keep it in check. I think the roots will have a tough time
reaching the footings of the adjacent building. There is no chance of it
impinging on the neighbour's light.

Al

On 2014-03-13 17:54:38 +0000, AL_n said:

Martin Brown wrote in
news
On 13/03/2014 15:19, AL_n wrote:
Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and
ideally, I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is
that okay to do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a
house, but according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6
mtrs, so I hope 2 mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay.
What do you think?

I think that would be a bit close to the house and not good for
either.

Also you have to consider the loss of light from its canopy when the
thing grows. It may shade windows in an annoying manner.

You don't say what rootstock it is on so it is hard to guess what the
actual size will be and I have found that some plants which grow small
at under 2m for me on heavy clay are rampant and 3+m elsewhere.


Thanks for the replies. The printed blurb on the tag doesn't say anything
about the rootstock. It just says it's eventual height and spread will both
be about 2.7 mtrs.

Am I right in thinking that the roots of a tree generally spread about the
same amount as the branches?

The ground (beneath a thin layer of topsoil) is heavy clay, so hopefully
that will keep it in check. I think the roots will have a tough time
reaching the footings of the adjacent building. There is no chance of it
impinging on the neighbour's light.

Al

If there's any risk of it tapping against windows or on a roof, your
neighbour will be very upset in time to come. Apples need a good deal
of sun, too, so if you plant it in the shadow of a building which
doesn't allow for that, your tree won't perform well. I agree with
others who have counselled you that you're aiming to plant it much too
close to your neighbour.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

On 13/03/14 17:54, AL_n wrote:
Martin Brown wrote in
news
On 13/03/2014 15:19, AL_n wrote:
Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and
ideally, I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is
that okay to do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a
house, but according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6
mtrs, so I hope 2 mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay.
What do you think?

I think that would be a bit close to the house and not good for
either.

Also you have to consider the loss of light from its canopy when the
thing grows. It may shade windows in an annoying manner.

You don't say what rootstock it is on so it is hard to guess what the
actual size will be and I have found that some plants which grow small
at under 2m for me on heavy clay are rampant and 3+m elsewhere.


Thanks for the replies. The printed blurb on the tag doesn't say anything
about the rootstock. It just says it's eventual height and spread will both
be about 2.7 mtrs.

Am I right in thinking that the roots of a tree generally spread about the
same amount as the branches?

The ground (beneath a thin layer of topsoil) is heavy clay, so hopefully
that will keep it in check. I think the roots will have a tough time
reaching the footings of the adjacent building. There is no chance of it
impinging on the neighbour's light.

Clay is generally rather nutritous and apple trees rather like it IME.
Roots rarely have a tough time unless completely contained. Indeed,
willows especially can send roots up to a verylongway.


--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

"RustyHinge" wrote in message ...

Clay is generally rather nutritous and apple trees rather like it IME.
Roots rarely have a tough time unless completely contained. Indeed, willows
especially can send roots up to a verylongway.


And invade underground wastewater pipes. We had one that was full of root
for about ten foot of its length. It had to be dug out and replaced. The
willow tree stump is still there
in our field to remind us.

Pete

In article ,
says...

On 13/03/14 17:54, AL_n wrote:
Martin Brown wrote in
news
On 13/03/2014 15:19, AL_n wrote:
Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and
ideally, I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house.

Am I right in thinking that the roots of a tree generally spread about the
same amount as the branches?

Only in some locations and some kinds of tree.

Willows, poplars, alder, root far beyond their canopy.

In a dry climate, or a hot dry summer, the roots will spread further to
find sufficient water.

A pruned tree (like apples) will not match its roots to the topgrowth
pruning.

The ground (beneath a thin layer of topsoil) is heavy clay, so hopefully
that will keep it in check. I think the roots will have a tough time
reaching the footings of the adjacent building. There is no chance of it
impinging on the neighbour's light.

Clay is generally rather nutritous and apple trees rather like it IME.
Roots rarely have a tough time unless completely contained. Indeed,
willows especially can send roots up to a verylongway.

Also, clay shrinks or expands according to water content..soil water
content is affected by trees taking it up... in some conditions house
foundations may be affected by clay shrinking/expanding.

Planting a deciduous tree in clay soil so close to your neighbour's
house foundations, flags up a potential problem for his property (and
his building insurance) which he's unlikely to ignore. IOW, a neighbour
dispute could arise right away.

Janet

On 2014-03-13 17:54:38 +0000, AL_n said:

Martin Brown wrote in
news
On 13/03/2014 15:19, AL_n wrote:
Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and
ideally, I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is
that okay to do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a
house, but according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6
mtrs, so I hope 2 mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay.
What do you think?

I think that would be a bit close to the house and not good for
either.

Also you have to consider the loss of light from its canopy when the
thing grows. It may shade windows in an annoying manner.

You don't say what rootstock it is on so it is hard to guess what the
actual size will be and I have found that some plants which grow small
at under 2m for me on heavy clay are rampant and 3+m elsewhere.


Thanks for the replies. The printed blurb on the tag doesn't say anything
about the rootstock. It just says it's eventual height and spread will both
be about 2.7 mtrs.

I think you should check with the place where you bought it and if it's
not self-fertile, take it back and get one that is, and is a dwarf
type. You can even get really low 'step over' types which edge paths
and beds and fruit quite well. I've never tried those myself but we
have a customer who has and has come back for more.

Am I right in thinking that the roots of a tree generally spread about the
same amount as the branches?

It's a very general rule of thumb but it's not invariable and again, is
something to check with your supplier.

The ground (beneath a thin layer of topsoil) is heavy clay, so hopefully
that will keep it in check. I think the roots will have a tough time
reaching the footings of the adjacent building. There is no chance of it
impinging on the neighbour's light.

Al

But will your tree get enough sun? And not be in the rain shadow of
your house or your neighbour's?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

On 13/03/2014 15:19, AL_n wrote:
Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and ideally,
I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is that okay to
do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a house, but
according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6 mtrs, so I hope 2
mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay. What do you think?

I think that would be a bit close to the house and not good for either.

Also you have to consider the loss of light from its canopy when the
thing grows. It may shade windows in an annoying manner.

You don't say what rootstock it is on so it is hard to guess what the
actual size will be and I have found that some plants which grow small
at under 2m for me on heavy clay are rampant and 3+m elsewhere.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 13 Mar 2014 15:19:19 GMT, "AL_n" wrote:

Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and ideally,
I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is that okay to
do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a house, but
according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6 mtrs, so I hope 2
mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay. What do you think?

TIA
Al

My previous house had an apple tree trained espalier style up the
house wall. It had been there for about ten years.

Steve

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On 13/03/2014 17:38, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On 13 Mar 2014 15:19:19 GMT, "AL_n" wrote:

Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and ideally,
I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is that okay to
do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a house, but
according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6 mtrs, so I hope 2
mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay. What do you think?

TIA
Al

My previous house had an apple tree trained espalier style up the
house wall. It had been there for about ten years.

Steve

I would add another meter away from their house, Just think how you will
pick the apples in years to come.
I like the idea of espalier on your own wall, or you could try it as a
cordon
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David above the fog of Swansea Bay

On 2014-03-13 17:38:21 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme said:

On 13 Mar 2014 15:19:19 GMT, "AL_n" wrote:

Hi All,

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and ideally,
I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is that okay to
do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a house, but
according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6 mtrs, so I hope 2
mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay. What do you think?

TIA
Al

My previous house had an apple tree trained espalier style up the
house wall. It had been there for about ten years.

Steve

With respect to all concerned, if the OP has to ask about distance for
planting an apple tree, I can't see an espalier style being a good way
to start fruit growing from scratch!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

On 13/03/2014 17:38, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:


My previous house had an apple tree trained espalier style up the
house wall. It had been there for about ten years.


I think OP could probably get away with it if there really is no other
place for it to go, but without knowing its type of rootstock, I don't
think I'd put it there (almost as much to do with potential light for it
as anything else).

I've got a Cox 'espaliered' against one of the sunnier walls of my
house. (Well, it's more 'shaped' than espaliered). It's been there
about 5 years (it was at least 4' tall when it went in and it is no more
than 5' now. Even if it wasn't shaped, I don't think it would be much
taller). It is on some sort of a dwarfing rootstock of some sort -
can't rmember the M number.

I have two other Cox that were already in the garden, and they are
considerably bigger - probably 10' tall and similar across - presumably
a less dwarfing rootstock.

I know some people don't like Cox' - the canker does weaken them a bit
and the mildew isn't pretty - but I just love the taste of them.

--
regards
andy

"AL_n" wrote ...

I purchased a Cox's Orange Pippin apple sapling the other day, and ideally,
I'd like to blant it about 6ft from a neighbour's house. Is that okay to
do? I would not plant a large-growing tree so close to a house, but
according to the tag, this tree will have a spread of 2.6 mtrs, so I hope 2
mtrs away from the house's footings will be okay. What do you think?


Oh dear, Cox's are a devil to grow well (susceptible to almost everything)
and fruit (it needs a pollinator) and are best for commercial planting where
they can throw lots of chemicals at the trees. Good luck.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
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