"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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| Only if you'd normally spread dog shit over your flower beds, in that
case
| go ahead. BUt dont lick your lips after picking flowers.

An extremely good rule if you are growing Brugmansia or Gloriosa,
on other grounds, but I think that you mean fingers. Unless you
pick flowers in unusual ways :-)

LOL even louder. I missed that Nick - oh what a picture gets conjured up in
one's mind :-)

"Tumbleweed" wrote in
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"ned" wrote in message
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So what has faeces in the ground got to do with picking flowers?

Well, if I smeared dog shit over your flowers you probably wouldnt
care to
pick them. So why do it voluntarily? Its not as if we are so poor we
need
the fertiliser.

:-) I do love this argument.
Tumbleweed, no-one is suggesting that the offending material is spread
on the flower. It is applied to the soil where bacteriological action
converts it into nutrients which are taken up by the plant root
system.

There are those who claim that the best tomatoes are those fed on
sheep dip.

What do you think happens to the contents of all those rural septic
tanks filled with human waste? No, it is not taken to sewerage farms
for 'processing'. It is spread 'neat' on farmland. Just like all that
lovely dark green slurry from the cattle pens - to enrich the soil and
provide higher crop yields.

'Hope this isn't going to put you off eating organic produce. :-))

So a drop of dog muck in the comost heap is unlikely to add
significantly to risks of a bit of tummy trouble. It might even help
the immune system to combat it! You know. Like homeopathy.

'Don't you go patting any dogs, now. They might have fleas. And fleas
shit, too. ;-)

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ned

"Kay Easton" wrote in message
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In article , cpemma
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"Kay Easton" wrote in message
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I wouldn't use dog poo, or cat poo, just as I wouldn't use human poo,
though I'm quite happy for the uring of all 3 to be on my compost heap.

"Night soil" has been used as fertiliser for millenia,

It has, and it has caused health problems.

and I think sewage
sludge is available for soil improvement in some areas of the UK.

Sewage sludge has been given rather more treatment than a few weeks in a
compost heap, has it not?

Slough council sell stuff they call Cynagro!

Alan
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Reply to alan(at)windsor-berks(dot)freeserve(dot)co(dot)uk

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from "ned" contains these words:

There are those who claim that the best tomatoes are those fed on
sheep dip.

I have never heard such a claim..at least, not from anyone who knows
what sheep dip is.

What do you think happens to the contents of all those rural septic
tanks filled with human waste? No, it is not taken to sewerage farms
for 'processing'. It is spread 'neat' on farmland.

Where? In my long experience of rural septic tanks, the contents are
collected by local councils and taken to sewage plants for treatment.
Some sell heat-treated sewage as fertiliser on land-reclamation
projects.

Janet.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
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from "ned" contains these words:

There are those who claim that the best tomatoes are those fed on
sheep dip.

I have never heard such a claim..at least, not from anyone who
knows
what sheep dip is.

Perhaps I should have enclosed 'sheep dip' in quotes.
What I was referring to was the concoction made by soaking sheep purls
in water until a dark green liquid is formed. This then being applied
as a 'liquid manure' to grow bags planted up with tomatoes. The
practice dates back, as I can verify, to the late 1940's when I was
allowed to accompany my father on his golf outings with the prime task
of cleaning up the sheep mown fairways. Whether they had growbags in
them days escapes me. 'Probably not. 'Most likely it was trenches
filled with leaf mould. But the practice was most certainly carried
forward into the 'grow bag' era. I'll bet there is many an allotment
sporting bags of sheep purls dangling in a bucket of water.

What do you think happens to the contents of all those rural septic
tanks filled with human waste? No, it is not taken to sewerage
farms
for 'processing'. It is spread 'neat' on farmland.

Where? In my long experience of rural septic tanks, the contents
are
collected by local councils and taken to sewage plants for
treatment.
Some sell heat-treated sewage as fertiliser on land-reclamation
projects.

Where? Right here in rural East Midlands. The collection bowser is
tractor drawn and waltzes straight off to spread it on the land. I am
aware of the heat treatment plants around major conurbations but in
this neck of the woods, the council is hardly gong to indulge in 50
mile round trips to process my human 'animal' calls of nature when my
neighbouring farmers are spreading all their farm 'animal' waste
products over their own fields. 'Sure it pongs for a couple of days.
But then, so does rape pollen. Its all part of natures 'rich' pattern.

:-) You know it makes sense. ;-)

I've just had a look in our 'Yellow Pages' under 'waste disposal'. The
Council does not offer a service - but dozens of other companies do.
One actually advertises "Sewage sludge and all other organic waste
liquid removed. Land injection specialists - returning natural waste
back to the land."
;-) I rest my case.

Just a bit OT now, aren't we.

ned wrote:


Just a bit OT now, aren't we.

Sorry, Bad manners. Forgot to sign my last post.

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ned

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from "ned" contains these words:

Janet Baraclough wrote:
The message
from "ned" contains these words:

There are those who claim that the best tomatoes are those fed on
sheep dip.

I have never heard such a claim..at least, not from anyone who
knows
what sheep dip is.

Perhaps I should have enclosed 'sheep dip' in quotes.
What I was referring to was the concoction made by soaking sheep purls
in water until a dark green liquid is formed.

That's liquid manure made with sheep shit. Sheep dip, to anyone rural,
is the mix of water and chemicals which sheep are immersed in to control
some diseases; far too toxic to be put on gardens.

What do you think happens to the contents of all those rural septic
tanks filled with human waste? No, it is not taken to sewerage
farms
for 'processing'. It is spread 'neat' on farmland.(snip)

Where? Right here in rural East Midlands. The collection bowser is
tractor drawn and waltzes straight off to spread it on the land. I am
aware of the heat treatment plants around major conurbations but in
this neck of the woods, the council is hardly gong to indulge in 50
mile round trips to process my human 'animal' calls of nature when my
neighbouring farmers are spreading all their farm 'animal' waste
products over their own fields.

At our old house on the mainland, the council sent sewage suction
tankers (not tractors and bowsers)on round trips of up to 70 miles to
empty septic tanks and take the contents to sewage works. It cost
householders £27.

I'm now living on an island 15 miles from the mainland; the council
sends sewage suction tankers over here by ferry to collect the contents
of septic tanks on a 3 year rota, and return it to the mainland.

Farmers in Scotland do use tractors and bowsers to spread animal manure
slurry as fertiliser on grazing land, but this is increasingly limited
by regulations about land run-off to rivers, with fines for offenders.
Water authorities monitor this often. These days septic tank slurry
run-off would be even more of a threat to fresh-waterways because of its
soap and detergent content.

Janet.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
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from "ned" contains these words:


snip

Perhaps I should have enclosed 'sheep dip' in quotes.
What I was referring to was the concoction made by soaking sheep
purls in water until a dark green liquid is formed.

That's liquid manure made with sheep shit. Sheep dip, to anyone
rural, is the mix of water and chemicals which sheep are immersed in
to control some diseases; far too toxic to be put on gardens.

The phrase does have 'dual meaning' in some areas. Used colloquially
(in quotes) by some older gardening folk, it refers to sheep purls
'dipped' in water. In my childhood the term was thus used in the
Lothians and later on I heard it used in Buckinghamshire.


snip

At our old house on the mainland, the council sent sewage suction
tankers (not tractors and bowsers)on round trips of up to 70 miles
to
empty septic tanks and take the contents to sewage works. It cost
householders £27.

snip


I hear what you say Janet and I would not dream of questioning your
experience. But, believe me the practice of spreading the contents of
septic tanks on farmland is still current in my neighbourhood. Just as
you assumed from your experience that this no longer occurred, I, from
my experience, thought it to be a more 'widespread' practice than it
apparently is.

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ned

ned wrote:

Janet Baraclough wrote:

[-]

At our old house on the mainland, the council sent sewage suction
tankers (not tractors and bowsers)on round trips of up to 70 miles
to
empty septic tanks and take the contents to sewage works. It cost
householders £27.

snip


I hear what you say Janet and I would not dream of questioning your
experience. But, believe me the practice of spreading the contents of
septic tanks on farmland is still current in my neighbourhood. Just as
you assumed from your experience that this no longer occurred, I, from
my experience, thought it to be a more 'widespread' practice than it
apparently is.

The sewage works merely concentrate the solids, they don't make the
stuff magically disappear. The resultant sludge may be burned, but this
is expensive and wasteful: the fertility is better returned to the soil.
So sewage companies are now (I understand) *paying* farmers to take the
sludge as agricultural fertiliser. It's more usual in truly rural areas,
as farmers spreading it near other people's houses are often inundated
with complaints about the smell (it's truly noxious).

regards
sarah

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"Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view,
is silence about truth." Aldous Huxley

swroot wrote:

snip
..... So sewage companies are now (I understand) *paying* farmers
to take the sludge as agricultural fertiliser. It's more usual in
truly rural areas, as farmers spreading it near other people's
houses
are often inundated with complaints about the smell (it's truly
noxious).

Urrrrr. It only be them incomers as what turns their noses up.
Us peasants just wait 'til the wind shifts afore hanging the washing
out.
;-)

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ned

ned wrote:

swroot wrote:

snip
..... So sewage companies are now (I understand) *paying* farmers
to take the sludge as agricultural fertiliser. It's more usual in
truly rural areas, as farmers spreading it near other people's
houses
are often inundated with complaints about the smell (it's truly
noxious).

Urrrrr. It only be them incomers as what turns their noses up.
Us peasants just wait 'til the wind shifts afore hanging the washing
out.
;-)

Indeed, the odour of pig muck makes a pleasant change. Briefly :-)

regards
sarah


--
"Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view,
is silence about truth." Aldous Huxley

"swroot" wrote in message
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ned wrote:

Janet Baraclough wrote:

[-]

At our old house on the mainland, the council sent sewage suction
tankers (not tractors and bowsers)on round trips of up to 70 miles
to
empty septic tanks and take the contents to sewage works. It cost
householders £27.

snip


I hear what you say Janet and I would not dream of questioning your
experience. But, believe me the practice of spreading the contents of
septic tanks on farmland is still current in my neighbourhood. Just as
you assumed from your experience that this no longer occurred, I, from
my experience, thought it to be a more 'widespread' practice than it
apparently is.

The sewage works merely concentrate the solids, they don't make the
stuff magically disappear. The resultant sludge may be burned, but this
is expensive and wasteful: the fertility is better returned to the soil.
So sewage companies are now (I understand) *paying* farmers to take the
sludge as agricultural fertiliser. It's more usual in truly rural areas,
as farmers spreading it near other people's houses are often inundated
with complaints about the smell (it's truly noxious).


In the 'good old days', there were sewage farms which were just that, i.e.
farms where the principal use was the disposal of sewage on the land. There
was one of these not far from the location of what is now the Toyota factory
south of Derby, which was the sewage farm for Burton on Trent. Sewage was
pumped there via a steam powered beam engine at Clay Mills sewage works just
outside Burton, and distributed around the fields via a quite complex ditch
and drainage system. I think it remained in use until the 1960s or 70s.

ned wrote:

swroot wrote:

snip
..... So sewage companies are now (I understand) *paying* farmers
to take the sludge as agricultural fertiliser. It's more usual in
truly rural areas, as farmers spreading it near other people's
houses
are often inundated with complaints about the smell (it's truly
noxious).

Urrrrr. It only be them incomers as what turns their noses up.
Us peasants just wait 'til the wind shifts afore hanging the washing
out.
;-)

Indeed, the odour of pig muck makes a pleasant change. Briefly :-)

regards
sarah


--
"Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view,
is silence about truth." Aldous Huxley

"swroot" wrote in message
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ned wrote:

Janet Baraclough wrote:

[-]

At our old house on the mainland, the council sent sewage suction
tankers (not tractors and bowsers)on round trips of up to 70 miles
to
empty septic tanks and take the contents to sewage works. It cost
householders £27.

snip


I hear what you say Janet and I would not dream of questioning your
experience. But, believe me the practice of spreading the contents of
septic tanks on farmland is still current in my neighbourhood. Just as
you assumed from your experience that this no longer occurred, I, from
my experience, thought it to be a more 'widespread' practice than it
apparently is.

The sewage works merely concentrate the solids, they don't make the
stuff magically disappear. The resultant sludge may be burned, but this
is expensive and wasteful: the fertility is better returned to the soil.
So sewage companies are now (I understand) *paying* farmers to take the
sludge as agricultural fertiliser. It's more usual in truly rural areas,
as farmers spreading it near other people's houses are often inundated
with complaints about the smell (it's truly noxious).


In the 'good old days', there were sewage farms which were just that, i.e.
farms where the principal use was the disposal of sewage on the land. There
was one of these not far from the location of what is now the Toyota factory
south of Derby, which was the sewage farm for Burton on Trent. Sewage was
pumped there via a steam powered beam engine at Clay Mills sewage works just
outside Burton, and distributed around the fields via a quite complex ditch
and drainage system. I think it remained in use until the 1960s or 70s.

BAC wrote:

"swroot" wrote in message
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[-]

The sewage works merely concentrate the solids, they don't make the
stuff magically disappear. The resultant sludge may be burned, but this
is expensive and wasteful: the fertility is better returned to the soil.
So sewage companies are now (I understand) *paying* farmers to take the
sludge as agricultural fertiliser. It's more usual in truly rural areas,
as farmers spreading it near other people's houses are often inundated
with complaints about the smell (it's truly noxious).


In the 'good old days', there were sewage farms which were just that, i.e.
farms where the principal use was the disposal of sewage on the land. There
was one of these not far from the location of what is now the Toyota factory
south of Derby, which was the sewage farm for Burton on Trent. Sewage was
pumped there via a steam powered beam engine at Clay Mills sewage works just
outside Burton, and distributed around the fields via a quite complex ditch
and drainage system. I think it remained in use until the 1960s or 70s.

That's interesting. I hadn't thought to wonder about precisely why
they're called 'sewage farms', simply assumed they were another use of
farmland or something similar. I wonder if anyone has checked those
fields for heavy metal contamination :-/

regards
sarah


--
"Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view,
is silence about truth." Aldous Huxley