Good afternoon.

On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 17:58:41 +0100,
Chris Hogg wrote:
The vacuum cleaner bags always contain a quantity of synthetical dust
which will never copost. I am unable to tell, if this is bad or
unimportant, but venture that it depends on many factors and you should
maybe find out about your own dust, before using it in the garden.

I find it simpler to just avoid composting the vacuum cleaner dust.

Curious minds want to know what your synthetical dust is ?

Jane, as I wrote : it depends. I venture, that different cultural
backgrounds creates different life-styles, different definitions of
„clean“ and thus different compositions of dust in your vacuum cleaner
(and different ways to write ompost; but I am courageous, do not worry).

It is quite easy to accept, that a lot of habitations, nowadays, will
produce a lot more chemical waste and synthetic dust, than mine and
even yours.

I think the
grot in my vacuum cleaner is pretty much organic material (mud, plant
fragments, hair, dead flies, wool from carpets, crumbs).

It is better to know than to believe, but you may be the chosen one..,
what do I know... ;-)

Many carpets are nylon, or other synthetic material. They don't break
down easily. OTOH wool breaks down readily.

Carpets are a good start. But as you keep reflecting about vacuum
cleaners, more sources of undecomposable dust come to your mind ...

Michael

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Alan Holmes wrote:

Thanks very much for that, I would never have thought of using paper, but
will do so from now on in the grass bin.

It doesn't produce anything worth bothering with, itself, as it is
broken down into mainly carbon dioxide and water, so it's main use
is for such uses (i.e. to stop soggy material from clogging).


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Janet" wrote in message
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Good morning.

I change the subject to facilitate locating the thread.

On Sun, 5 Jul 2015 01:14:47 +0100,
Christina Websell wrote:
Is he not with us any more then? It's still a good question.
I'll start. I compost all vegetable waste from the kitchen, all annual
weeds, teabags, vacuum cleaner fluff, and all cleanings from my chicken
huts. Wood ash from my woodburner. Some cardboard and paper. Some
prunings
(but this slows it down)

The vacuum cleaner bags always contain a quantity of synthetical dust
which will never copost. I am unable to tell, if this is bad or
unimportant, but venture that it depends on many factors and you should
maybe find out about your own dust, before using it in the garden.

I find it simpler to just avoid composting the vacuum cleaner dust.

Curious minds want to know what your synthetical dust is ? I think the
grot in my vacuum cleaner is pretty much organic material (mud, plant
fragments, hair, dead flies, wool from carpets, crumbs).

Janet

Same here (maybe not the dead flies though ;-) )

I'm not sure what "synthetic dust" could be present in my house to make the
vacuum cleaner fluff dangerous to compost. What *is* synthetic dust? I
want to know too.

Tina

"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
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"Spider" wrote in message
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On 04/07/2015 21:30, Alan Holmes wrote:

Been having a discussion (argument) about what to compost, so what stuff
should one compost or not?

Absolutely need an answer!

Alan


Welcome back, Alan! Nice to know you're still with us.

I have five bins at the moment and they make good compost:~)).
I compost garden waste inc. grass clippings, weeds (even perennial weeds
with the roots chopped off); lots of cardboard (not shiny printfed stuff)
and papier mache packaging, which the worms love and it breaks down well
(I find quality paper doesn't break down as quickly, but scrunched up
newspaper is fine); tea bags, despite the persisting bag; kitchen waste
(but no meat products and no fat); citrus and onion peelings I spread
thinly as my worms are a bit sniffy about them. Potato peelings once
zapped in the microwave for a minute, otherwise they sprout and persist.
I don't put bread or pastry in, as these can attract rats, and they're
better offered to birds. I occasionally put in a sprinkle of pelleted
chicken poo which seems to hurry things along nicely. I've even been
know to put ants in when they become a nuisance. They break the compost
down really well. When you want to get rid of them, simply add lots of
water which they don't like, or wait till they die naturally as winter
approaches.

It would be interesting to know what your heated discussion brought up
and villified .. and why.

Nowadays we quarell about almost everything!!

She can be VERY difficult about anything and nothing.

Alan


Who is "she"? I am also glad to see you back, Alan. I suppose it's an
easy assumption to make that if you suddenly come back to the group after a
long time having had health troubles, that it may not be you. However, if
a troll had taken over your persona, it seems to me that asking about
composting is kind of un-trolllike! New word for the next printing of
Collins English dictionary!

"Janet" wrote in message
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nor
paper or cardboard (both of which go for recycling), although in
principle there's no reason why these last two shouldn't be composted.

Monty Don, mentioned a few years ago, that he adds a greater % of
cardboard / paper, than I would ever had imagined, but always willing
to have a go, I tried adding every scrap of corrugated cardboard and
shredded paper, I had (possibly 25%) , and have never had such good
compost.
It rots quicker.

I include all our shredded paper, egg boxes and cardboard tubes.

Janet

I use the cardboard tubes for beans. I fill the tube with seed compost and
plant a bean in it and once they are up and doing well I plant them out
still in the tube. The cardboard breaks down.

"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
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"Spider" wrote in message
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On 04/07/2015 21:30, Alan Holmes wrote:

Been having a discussion (argument) about what to compost, so what
stuff
should one compost or not?

Absolutely need an answer!

Alan


Welcome back, Alan! Nice to know you're still with us.

I have five bins at the moment and they make good compost:~)).
I compost garden waste inc. grass clippings, weeds (even perennial weeds
with the roots chopped off); lots of cardboard (not shiny printfed
stuff) and papier mache packaging, which the worms love and it breaks
down well (I find quality paper doesn't break down as quickly, but
scrunched up newspaper is fine); tea bags, despite the persisting bag;
kitchen waste (but no meat products and no fat); citrus and onion
peelings I spread thinly as my worms are a bit sniffy about them. Potato
peelings once zapped in the microwave for a minute, otherwise they
sprout and persist. I don't put bread or pastry in, as these can attract
rats, and they're better offered to birds. I occasionally put in a
sprinkle of pelleted chicken poo which seems to hurry things along
nicely. I've even been know to put ants in when they become a nuisance.
They break the compost down really well. When you want to get rid of
them, simply add lots of water which they don't like, or wait till they
die naturally as winter approaches.

It would be interesting to know what your heated discussion brought up
and villified .. and why.

Nowadays we quarell about almost everything!!

She can be VERY difficult about anything and nothing.

Alan


Who is "she"? I am also glad to see you back, Alan. I suppose it's an
easy assumption to make that if you suddenly come back to the group after
a long time having had health troubles, that it may not be you. However,
if a troll had taken over your persona, it seems to me that asking about
composting is kind of un-trolllike! New word for the next printing of
Collins English dictionary!


'She' is the BOSS the one in charge, I'm sure all men will know exactly who
I am talking about!(:-)

I'm glad to be back, but I have had a lot of health worries over a number of
years which has prevented my from doing anything that requires energy, I
have been spending most of my time sitting down and going to sleep, I have
to record everything I want to see on the TV as I frequently go to sleep
just after the programme starts, but as I am watching the recording I can
just rewind, these video recorders are a godsend, couldn't live without one,
or two in my case!

Alan

On 07/07/2015 18:11, Christina Websell wrote:
I'm not sure what "synthetic dust" could be present in my house to make the
vacuum cleaner fluff dangerous to compost. What*is* synthetic dust? I
want to know too.

Dust made up of fine particles of synthetic materials

But I think Janet's comment was around the use of 'synthetical' - which
probably resulted from the fact that Michael's first language (and
prtobably second) isn't English. However, he does speak it (well, write
it - I haven't heard him speak) better than a significant number of
native English speakers I've come across.

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Andy Wilkes wrote:
On 07/07/2015 18:11, Christina Websell wrote:
I'm not sure what "synthetic dust" could be present in my house to make the
vacuum cleaner fluff dangerous to compost. What*is* synthetic dust? I
want to know too.

Dust made up of fine particles of synthetic materials

But I think Janet's comment was around the use of 'synthetical' - which
probably resulted from the fact that Michael's first language (and
prtobably second) isn't English. However, he does speak it (well, write
it - I haven't heard him speak) better than a significant number of
native English speakers I've come across.

The English language is defined by its usage and, the older I get,
the less I am worried by such usages in 'conversational' contexts.
"Synthetic dust" is clear and concise, in context, though I agree
that strictly it means something else.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 08/07/2015 10:13, Nick Maclaren wrote:
The English language is defined by its usage and, the older I get,
the less I am worried by such usages in 'conversational' contexts.
"Synthetic dust" is clear and concise, in context, though I agree
that strictly it means something else.

Yes - I somehow don't see a big demand for it. Therefore it's unlikely
companies are going to spend much researching ways to produce synthetic
dust

(There will now be a rush of people referring to actual scenarios where
synthetic dust - as opposed to real dust - is important...)

Crop dusting perhaps (to sort of bring it back on topic).

--
regards andy

Thanks all. ;-)

I am far from mastering all the nuances of the English language. So,
what you see in this thread is rather the top of the iceberg, because
the issue is quite obviously related to my German origins.

This language is said to be easily learned *AND* mastered by
germanophones. Which is a lot of whatever you tend to insert, here. But
as an answer and possibly valuable addition to the previous comments,
let me explain that the German language and, -to some extent-, also the
French, *want* to have one word for everything. There should be no need
for context, emotional, cultural.., whatever.., background, ideally, to
understand anything. As a non-native English-speaker, I must admit that
the English language is at its best, where the exact contrary is
accomplished... But this makes the (livelong) learning curve utterly
steep and sometimes frightening... ;-)

English Internet forums are in consequence very exciting.., and where
German forums appear to be boring, they most probably are.

Michael

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 10:36:24 +0100,
Andy Wilkes wrote:
On 08/07/2015 10:13, Nick Maclaren wrote:
The English language is defined by its usage and, the older I get,
the less I am worried by such usages in 'conversational' contexts.
"Synthetic dust" is clear and concise, in context, though I agree
that strictly it means something else.

Yes - I somehow don't see a big demand for it. Therefore it's unlikely
companies are going to spend much researching ways to produce synthetic
dust

(There will now be a rush of people referring to actual scenarios where
synthetic dust - as opposed to real dust - is important...)

Crop dusting perhaps (to sort of bring it back on topic).



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In article ,
Andy Wilkes wrote:
On 07/07/2015 18:11, Christina Websell wrote:
I'm not sure what "synthetic dust" could be present in my house to make the
vacuum cleaner fluff dangerous to compost. What*is* synthetic dust? I
want to know too.

Dust made up of fine particles of synthetic materials

But I think Janet's comment was around the use of 'synthetical' - which
probably resulted from the fact that Michael's first language (and
prtobably second) isn't English. However, he does speak it (well, write
it - I haven't heard him speak) better than a significant number of
native English speakers I've come across.

The English language is defined by its usage and, the older I get,
the less I am worried by such usages in 'conversational' contexts.
"Synthetic dust" is clear and concise, in context, though I agree
that strictly it means something else.

It wasn't the language, just curiosity about the source of synthetics
in the contents of a domestic vacuum cleaner.

Janet.