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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
Jim Webster wrote or quoted:



As for the idea of tracing causal chains back to their roots, if you
do that then you might well wind up imprisoning the murderer's mother :-(

: Who was it who said that freedom of speech did not entitle you to shout
: "fire" in a crowded theatre

Many people - but "freedom of speech" fairly clearly involves just that.

you seem to be a member of a very small minority in holding that opinion


Fortunately, that particular action is not against the law anywhere -
AFAIK. You might get chucked out of the theatre, though ;-)

behaviour liable to cause a breach of the peace, causing an affray,
manslaughter, plus several different H&SE regulations, the breaking thereof
could still land you in jail

Jim Webster

While these "moral philosophy" topics are no doubt stimulating to
some, I'm painfully aware that they are not remotely on topic in
the groups where they are occurring.

If they don't burn themselves out soon, I expect I'll walk away
from them.

We got here by considering the environmental impact of importing
fruit. Could we go back in that general direction - or else wind
things up?
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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:
: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
: In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:

: : But your thinking, that it is only the person who does the final (or
: : initial in the case of farming) act is the only one to blame silly.
:
: I'm not sure that's a sentence.
:
: Anyway, contrary to what you seem to be saying above, I certainly don't
: think there should be any blame attached to growing and selling crops.

: Even when using pesticides?

Well - /if/ they poison people that's a bit different.

they didn't poison anyone, the pesticide did. Anyway it was all the fault of
the manufacturer.

Jim Webster

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"Oz" wrote in message
...
Jim Webster writes

I suspect circumstances might alter cases. For example if you hire a
professional hitman, then I think blame is more equally shared as if he
hadn't killed your target he would still have killed someone else.

I doubt the number of targets is limited by number of hitmen.

If, on the other hand, you conned some total innocent into doing the act,
then I would suggest you would carry far more of the blame as you suggest

Probably, at least ethically. In a way you would be responsible for the
person killed AND the sentence of someone who without your persuasive
manner, would never have got involved in such things.

So more than the hitman, but by addition.


looks like the three of us are in agreement here.

Jim Webster

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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:
: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message
...
: In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:

: : But your thinking, that it is only the person who does the final
(or
: : initial in the case of farming) act is the only one to blame
silly.
:
: I'm not sure that's a sentence.
:
: Anyway, contrary to what you seem to be saying above, I certainly
don't
: think there should be any blame attached to growing and selling
crops.

: Even when using pesticides?

Well - /if/ they poison people that's a bit different.

they didn't poison anyone, the pesticide did. Anyway it was all the fault
of
the manufacturer.


Hardly, the manufacturer simply made what the researchers had developed -
and you can't blame them either because they allowed a government ministry
to have the final say, and they only did what the minister told them to do,
and he has appointed by the government, who were in turn given power by the
voters. It isn't fair to blame the voters either, since so many people
didn't vote, their not voting almost certainly affected the outcome of the
election. So I blame the lazy shits who didn't vote at recent general
elections - if indeed anyone has been poisoned.

Michael Saunby

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"Michelle Fulton" wrote in message
y.com...
"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...

Whereas to me the only thing that distinguishes it from a gift is
words - and convicting people on the basis of things they have said
seems like a dangerous violation of freedom of speech to me.

Not that I see freedom of speech as a basic right - but I don't
think it should be casually neglected or ignored, either.

Those who *do* harm - as opposed to those who talk or move beans around

Those who *mean* harm, by their words, are definitely culpable, in most
western society. Slander, libel, aiding and abetting.... Where were you
raised (seriously)?

sounds like it could be Hampstead

Jim Webster

M

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"Michael Saunby" wrote in message
...

Hardly, the manufacturer simply made what the researchers had developed -
and you can't blame them either because they allowed a government ministry
to have the final say, and they only did what the minister told them to
do,
and he has appointed by the government, who were in turn given power by
the
voters. It isn't fair to blame the voters either, since so many people
didn't vote, their not voting almost certainly affected the outcome of the
election. So I blame the lazy shits who didn't vote at recent general
elections - if indeed anyone has been poisoned.

I think we should blame the idiots who eat something that is poisonous.
They are the ones who are taking the *action* that actually causes them to
be poisoned ;-) The government, manufacturer, supermarket and everyone
else involved are only guilty of telling the public it's safe, right? The
person who acts on what someone else said is the one at fault, according to
Tim, right????

M

The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
 

"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

looks like the three of us are in agreement here.

I make 4.

M

The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
 

"Michelle Fulton" wrote in message
. ..
"Michael Saunby" wrote in message
...

Hardly, the manufacturer simply made what the researchers had
developed -
and you can't blame them either because they allowed a government
ministry
to have the final say, and they only did what the minister told them to
do,
and he has appointed by the government, who were in turn given power by
the
voters. It isn't fair to blame the voters either, since so many people
didn't vote, their not voting almost certainly affected the outcome of
the
election. So I blame the lazy shits who didn't vote at recent general
elections - if indeed anyone has been poisoned.

I think we should blame the idiots who eat something that is poisonous.
They are the ones who are taking the *action* that actually causes them to
be poisoned ;-) The government, manufacturer, supermarket and everyone
else involved are only guilty of telling the public it's safe, right? The
person who acts on what someone else said is the one at fault, according
to
Tim, right????


Madame, your summing up of his logical position was, in a gender unspecific
way, masterly

Jim Webster
M

The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
 

"Michelle Fulton" wrote in message
. ..
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

looks like the three of us are in agreement here.

I make 4.

welcome to planet earth and the accepted legal nicities

god alone knows where tim picked up his knowledge of law and ethics

Jim Webster

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Tim Tyler writes

Having a healthy diet simply isn't as stressful as you are making out.

The way you have been putting it, I wouldn;t agree.

For nearly everybody keeping one's weight to 70% of the 'ideal' weight
results in permanent hunger. I've seen the horizon programme where
people had been doing it for a little while (like a few years).

They all showed marked stress, not hard to figure out why.

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In uk.rec.gardening Jim Webster wrote:

: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
: Jim Webster wrote or quoted:
:

:
: As for the idea of tracing causal chains back to their roots, if you
: do that then you might well wind up imprisoning the murderer's mother :-(
:
: : Who was it who said that freedom of speech did not entitle you to shout
: : "fire" in a crowded theatre
:
: Many people - but "freedom of speech" fairly clearly involves just that.

: you seem to be a member of a very small minority in holding that opinion

You have access to a survey on the question?

: Fortunately, that particular action is not against the law anywhere -
: AFAIK. You might get chucked out of the theatre, though ;-)

: behaviour liable to cause a breach of the peace, causing an affray,
: manslaughter, plus several different H&SE regulations, the breaking
: thereof could still land you in jail

Not from shouting in a theatre.

Health and safety regulations might be applied to the theatre's *owner* -
if their establisnment is so unsafe it can't withstand a perfectly
ordinary fire drill.
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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...

Health and safety regulations might be applied to the theatre's *owner* -
if their establisnment is so unsafe it can't withstand a perfectly
ordinary fire drill.


It is accepted that in a real situation there will be injuries and
possible fatalities, emergency drills do not need to be double blind,
additional safety procedures are normal, and it is usual to have several
individuals who know it is a drill and ensure that panic does not cause
injury.

Shouting 'Fire' in a theater may well result in what would be acceptable
injaries in a real incident, but not in a drill.

The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
 

"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening Jim Webster wrote:




Health and safety regulations might be applied to the theatre's *owner* -
if their establisnment is so unsafe it can't withstand a perfectly
ordinary fire drill.
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don't be more stupid than you have to be

on the grounds that no one can be as stupid as you appear to be, you have to
be trolling

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Jim Webster writes

I think we should blame the idiots who eat something that is poisonous.
They are the ones who are taking the *action* that actually causes them to
be poisoned ;-) The government, manufacturer, supermarket and everyone
else involved are only guilty of telling the public it's safe, right? The
person who acts on what someone else said is the one at fault, according
to
Tim, right????


Madame, your summing up of his logical position was, in a gender unspecific
way, masterly

I agree. Getting to be a force to reckon with, I think.

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god alone knows where tim picked up his knowledge of law and ethics

Knowledge?

I think he is heading for the killfile.

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