We appear to have the symptoms and bootlaces of honey fungus, as well as
one or two suspicious deaths to go with this. I found out that Armillatox
has been removed from sale in the UK, (but seems to be available as a soap
product now ??).

1. Can it still be used to kill Honey Fungus ?
2. Is there anything else I can use ?
3. Where can I get this by Mail order ?

I try to be as organic as possible, and I have a large wildlife pond nearby
!
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You can't have it all -
Where would you put it ?

Bigjon wrote:
We appear to have the symptoms and bootlaces of honey fungus, as well
as one or two suspicious deaths to go with this. I found out that
Armillatox has been removed from sale in the UK, (but seems to be
available as a soap product now ??).

1. Can it still be used to kill Honey Fungus ?
2. Is there anything else I can use ?
3. Where can I get this by Mail order ?

I try to be as organic as possible, and I have a large wildlife pond
nearby !


Armillatox cannot be labelled as a HF control as it has not been through the
expensive legal hoops for it to be approved as a pesticide etc (see below)

It cannot therefore be labelled a pest/ant/honey fungus killer but only what
it is "a soap based outdoor cleaner" - i'm going to use it to clean my patio
around ants nests and to wash down and clean the "collar" of shrubs in HF
infected gardens, i might even use it to clean the holes I want to replant
roses in or holes for shrubs in HF areas.

Of course i wolud not dream of using it in any off label way or of advising
anyone else to do so.

pk

http://www.armillatox.co.uk/


Under European legislation the active ingredients of all pesticides have to
be reviewed, the cost of raising the data for the review is estimated to be
£3 million - to a small company the cost is prohibitive

As current legislation stands it will be illegal for Armillatox to be sold
as a pesticide after 25th July 2003 in European Member States - outside of
Europe it will continue as normal.

We have made representations to the EU and have been supported by our MEP to
look at a reduced package for small companies with niche products such
Armillatox but as the deadline approaches, we have has to reconsider our
position

Therefore as from 25th July 2003, we will re-label Armillatox as 'Armillatox
Soap Based Outdoor Cleaner' so taking it out of the pesticides regulations -
the formulation will remain the same.

The message
from "PK" contains these words:

Of course i wolud not dream of using it in any off label way or of advising
anyone else to do so.

Just as I wouldn't dream of boiling rhubarb leaves for an
anti-greenfly/blackfly spray.

Neither would I advocate using it on anything but EC Gardenpolitzei,
which use is not proscribed.

Yet.

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Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

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Bigjon wrote:
We appear to have the symptoms and bootlaces of honey fungus, as well as
one or two suspicious deaths to go with this. I found out that Armillatox
has been removed from sale in the UK, (but seems to be available as a soap
product now ??).

1. Can it still be used to kill Honey Fungus ?
2. Is there anything else I can use ?
3. Where can I get this by Mail order ?

I try to be as organic as possible, and I have a large wildlife pond nearby

Then you had better learn to live with it! Nothing non-poisonous will
help, and even toxic things like Armillatox are only slightly effective.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Bigjon" wrote in message
...
We appear to have the symptoms and bootlaces of honey fungus, as well as
one or two suspicious deaths to go with this. I found out that Armillatox
has been removed from sale in the UK, (but seems to be available as a soap
product now ??).

1. Can it still be used to kill Honey Fungus ?
2. Is there anything else I can use ?
3. Where can I get this by Mail order ?

I try to be as organic as possible, and I have a large wildlife pond
nearby
!
--
You can't have it all -
Where would you put it ?

Armillotox is still the same product they have just had to label it
differently to get round EU nonsense

Armillotox is pretty much the only treatment

"Bigjon" wrote in message ...
We appear to have the symptoms and bootlaces of honey fungus, as well as
one or two suspicious deaths to go with this. I found out that Armillatox
has been removed from sale in the UK, (but seems to be available as a soap
product now ??).

1. Can it still be used to kill Honey Fungus ?
2. Is there anything else I can use ?
3. Where can I get this by Mail order ?

I try to be as organic as possible, and I have a large wildlife pond nearby
!
I am deeply sceptical.
(a) About the alleged virulence of A. m as a plant pathogen.
(b) The efficacy and desirability of sloshing a tar oil based product around in quantities sufficient to do any
harm to the Armillaria.
I can't prove any of this but I have had the privilege of closely observing 10 Ha of largely woodland garden and
several nearby woods over nearly 30 years. All of those areas are full of Armillaria - on every piece of fallen
wood or dead tree. The only trees dying are large Beeches that have reached the end of their natural lifespan
(around 2-300 years) - those woods have been there for several hundreds of years and will be for several more
centuries unless somebody destroys them deliberately. Same in the garden - the odd thing dying here and there but
plenty of woody plants. I assume you'd find a similar picture in any wood anywhere in these islands. My proposition
is that dead plants found infected by Armillaria were already dead or in serious trouble for some other reason
before the Armillaria came along. It may also be that the mycelia of the fungus can't run so easily in an old wood
as they can in a well cultivated garden. So don't automatically blame the Armillaria - probably the only correct
verdict in many cases would be an open verdict.
As for the 'treatment' This stuff is highly toxic and will kill many beneficial and indeed essential organisms in
the soil and the effect on the Armillaria is likely to be marginal. I never see young healthy plants killed by
Armillaria so forget any 'treatment' - keep planting and enjoying your garden. Again, just because you see
bootlaces on a dead plant does *not* necessarily mean the Armillaria killed it.

Rod

"Bigjon" wrote in message
...
We appear to have the symptoms and bootlaces of honey fungus, as
well as
one or two suspicious deaths to go with this. I found out that
Armillatox
has been removed from sale in the UK, (but seems to be available as
a soap
product now ??).

1. Can it still be used to kill Honey Fungus ?
2. Is there anything else I can use ?
3. Where can I get this by Mail order ?

I try to be as organic as possible, and I have a large wildlife pond
nearby
!
--

Winnie the Poo or Tigger ?
Jenny :~))

The message
from "Rod" contains these words:

Again, just because you see
bootlaces on a dead plant does *not* necessarily mean the Armillaria
killed it.

And pick the young caps and pickle them.

--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

"bnd777" wrote in message
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Armillotox is pretty much the only treatment



Minor quibble - it does not "treat" it's only benefit wrt HF is prophylactic
to protect other plants from infection, it does notheing for infected plants

pk

"PK" wrote in message
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"bnd777" wrote in message
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Armillotox is pretty much the only treatment



Minor quibble - it does not "treat" it's only benefit wrt HF is
prophylactic
to protect other plants from infection, it does notheing for infected
plants

pk

Sorry apologies for forgetting to warn that every trace of the honey
fungus should be removed and the soil too before treating the area with
armillotox

Bigjon declared:

We appear to have the symptoms and bootlaces of honey fungus, as well as
one or two suspicious deaths to go with this. I found out that Armillatox
has been removed from sale in the UK, (but seems to be available as a soap
product now ??).

1. Can it still be used to kill Honey Fungus ?
2. Is there anything else I can use ?
3. Where can I get this by Mail order ?

I try to be as organic as possible, and I have a large wildlife pond nearby
!

Ok, I have something to go at now - Thanks !

The worst "deader" is a Lilac within the bed that has the bootstraps, most
of the others (shrubs and trees) are apparently fine. From the replies, I
think I will have to remove all the soil to about a foot and replace it
with fresh ??
--
You can't have it all -
Where would you put it ?

"Bigjon" wrote in message
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Bigjon declared:
Ok, I have something to go at now - Thanks !

The worst "deader" is a Lilac within the bed that has the bootstraps, most
of the others (shrubs and trees) are apparently fine. From the replies, I
think I will have to remove all the soil to about a foot and replace it
with fresh ??


Waste of time - remove all soil to 1m depth in a 10m radius circle around an
infected plant and you can be reasonably confident it willnot infect
anything else - unless you were too slow that is!

HF is endemic in most woodland - but all the trees are not dead!

The best protection - as always with almost all problems - is to keep the
plants healthy and strong by keeping the soil in good heart.

ISTR lilac is a particularly susceptible species.

pk

"Bigjon" wrote in message
...
Bigjon declared:
Ok, I have something to go at now - Thanks !

The worst "deader" is a Lilac within the bed that has the bootstraps, most
of the others (shrubs and trees) are apparently fine. From the replies, I
think I will have to remove all the soil to about a foot and replace it
with fresh ??


Waste of time - remove all soil to 1m depth in a 10m radius circle around an
infected plant and you can be reasonably confident it willnot infect
anything else - unless you were too slow that is!

HF is endemic in most woodland - but all the trees are not dead!

The best protection - as always with almost all problems - is to keep the
plants healthy and strong by keeping the soil in good heart.

ISTR lilac is a particularly susceptible species.

pk

"Bigjon" wrote in message
...
Bigjon declared:
Ok, I have something to go at now - Thanks !

The worst "deader" is a Lilac within the bed that has the bootstraps, most
of the others (shrubs and trees) are apparently fine. From the replies, I
think I will have to remove all the soil to about a foot and replace it
with fresh ??


Waste of time - remove all soil to 1m depth in a 10m radius circle around an
infected plant and you can be reasonably confident it willnot infect
anything else - unless you were too slow that is!

HF is endemic in most woodland - but all the trees are not dead!

The best protection - as always with almost all problems - is to keep the
plants healthy and strong by keeping the soil in good heart.

ISTR lilac is a particularly susceptible species.

pk

"Bigjon" wrote in message
...
Bigjon declared:
Ok, I have something to go at now - Thanks !

The worst "deader" is a Lilac within the bed that has the bootstraps, most
of the others (shrubs and trees) are apparently fine. From the replies, I
think I will have to remove all the soil to about a foot and replace it
with fresh ??


Waste of time - remove all soil to 1m depth in a 10m radius circle around an
infected plant and you can be reasonably confident it willnot infect
anything else - unless you were too slow that is!

HF is endemic in most woodland - but all the trees are not dead!

The best protection - as always with almost all problems - is to keep the
plants healthy and strong by keeping the soil in good heart.

ISTR lilac is a particularly susceptible species.

pk