Martin Brown wrote in
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In message , Jaques d'Altrades
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from "Franz Heymann" contains these
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Washing-up liquid is not soap.

But it does the trick.

You do have to be careful what you use it on. Some plants do not like
this treatment. I defoliated a bay tree once this way. It stripped the
surface waxy coating and the leaves desiccated within a few days of
application.


.... This is why I suggested using only a drop. I managed to do horrible
things to a honeysuckle one year, by making it too strong a solution. Had
used it the year befo no problem, but I think my 'squirt' was bigger the
second time. It bounced back, but I had to prune it hard, as the leaves
went black in midsummer and it looked truly awful.

Victoria

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
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My roses are still growing hard here in Sussex, and because of the
dryness and heat we now have the dreaded aphids making a return
visit.
I don't want to use Rose Clear etc, and have heard that they do not
like soapy water. Is this true, and if so what sort of soap and what
strength of mixture is best? Will dilute washing up liquid do the
trick for instance?

Washing-up liquid is not soap.

But it does the trick.

That was posted by me as a result of a premature finger twitch. I had meant
to ask whether the deading of the aphids by soap/detergent is then purely as
a result of the wetting power of the liquid?

Franz

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
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Martin Brown wrote in
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In message , Jaques d'Altrades
writes
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:
Washing-up liquid is not soap.

But it does the trick.

You do have to be careful what you use it on. Some plants do not like
this treatment. I defoliated a bay tree once this way. It stripped the
surface waxy coating and the leaves desiccated within a few days of
application.


... This is why I suggested using only a drop.


A drop in how much water? 1 cc? 1 litre? 100 litres?

I managed to do horrible
things to a honeysuckle one year, by making it too strong a solution. Had
used it the year befo no problem, but I think my 'squirt' was bigger
the
second time. It bounced back, but I had to prune it hard, as the leaves
went black in midsummer and it looked truly awful.

I sounds quite seriously as if one should lay off using this particular
cure.

Franz

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from martin contains these words:

/snip/

Soft soap contains potash.

that's what Webster Dictionary says that I quoted and you snipped

You overquoted. Life's too short to wade through that lot.

You need to read faster and post slower :-)

As I've said, life's too sho

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:15:48 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:

/snip/

Soft soap contains potash.

that's what Webster Dictionary says that I quoted and you snipped

You overquoted. Life's too short to wade through that lot.

You need to read faster and post slower :-)

As I've said, life's too sho

.......... posted posthumously by his executor :-)
--
Martin

"Franz Heymann" wrote in
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"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
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Martin Brown wrote in
:

In message , Jaques d'Altrades
writes
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains
these words:
Washing-up liquid is not soap.

But it does the trick.

You do have to be careful what you use it on. Some plants do not
like this treatment. I defoliated a bay tree once this way. It
stripped the surface waxy coating and the leaves desiccated within
a few days of application.


... This is why I suggested using only a drop.


A drop in how much water? 1 cc? 1 litre? 100 litres?


In the amount of water you'd expect to put in whatever container came to
hand if you were planning to anoint a few rose bushes with it. That
might be one litre, or it might be a washing-up-bowl-full.

I made the (I think not unreasonable) assumption that John is an amateur
gardener, and owns an ounce of common sense, and a bucket.

I suggested in my previous post that simply giving them a good wash with
a hosepipe would be my preferred option.

Incidentally, I've found commercial pre-mixed insecticides damage some
plants too. I have a Streptocarpus that hates everything I have tried:
any recommendations for this would be welcome.


Victoria

Please don't null post, Franz :-)

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com

"Steve Harris" wrote in message
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Please don't null post, Franz :-)

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com

My sincere apologies. It was a consequence of working on-line and pushing
the send button prematurely.

Franz

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in
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"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
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Martin Brown wrote in
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In message , Jaques d'Altrades
writes
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains
these words:
Washing-up liquid is not soap.

But it does the trick.

You do have to be careful what you use it on. Some plants do not
like this treatment. I defoliated a bay tree once this way. It
stripped the surface waxy coating and the leaves desiccated within
a few days of application.


... This is why I suggested using only a drop.


A drop in how much water? 1 cc? 1 litre? 100 litres?


In the amount of water you'd expect to put in whatever container came to
hand if you were planning to anoint a few rose bushes with it. That
might be one litre, or it might be a washing-up-bowl-full.

I made the (I think not unreasonable) assumption that John is an amateur
gardener, and owns an ounce of common sense, and a bucket.

If one drop in a bucket of water is sufficient, it would mean that it is
extremely potent stuff .

{:-))

[snip]

Franz

In the amount of water you'd expect to put in whatever container came to
hand if you were planning to anoint a few rose bushes with it. That
might be one litre, or it might be a washing-up-bowl-full.

I made the (I think not unreasonable) assumption that John is an amateur
gardener correct , and owns an ounce of common sense a bit , and a bucket 4 actually.

The rains have come at last, so I hope the little critters will leave
of their own accord. I'll keep watching though . . .

I suggested in my previous post that simply giving them a good wash with
a hosepipe would be my preferred option.

Incidentally, I've found commercial pre-mixed insecticides damage some
plants too. I have a Streptocarpus that hates everything I have tried:
any recommendations for this would be welcome.


Victoria

John
In limine sapientiae

In the amount of water you'd expect to put in whatever container came to
hand if you were planning to anoint a few rose bushes with it. That
might be one litre, or it might be a washing-up-bowl-full.

I made the (I think not unreasonable) assumption that John is an amateur
gardener correct , and owns an ounce of common sense a bit , and a bucket 4 actually.

The rains have come at last, so I hope the little critters will leave
of their own accord. I'll keep watching though . . .

I suggested in my previous post that simply giving them a good wash with
a hosepipe would be my preferred option.

Incidentally, I've found commercial pre-mixed insecticides damage some
plants too. I have a Streptocarpus that hates everything I have tried:
any recommendations for this would be welcome.


Victoria

John
In limine sapientiae

In article ,
(Victoria Clare) wrote:

A drop in how much water? 1 cc? 1 litre? 100 litres?


In the amount of water you'd expect to put in whatever container came
to hand if you were planning to anoint a few rose bushes with it.
That might be one litre, or it might be a washing-up-bowl-full.

I made the (I think not unreasonable) assumption that John is an
amateur gardener, and owns an ounce of common sense, and a bucket.

Gardening measurements can be rather frustrating. "Harvest when the size
of a thumb" or "Hand full" are sometimes seen and really rather vague. I
don't know the size of the writers body parts.

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com