The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your email.

Wrong. I was referring to usenet spam, as the context makes obvious.
Don't assume that anyone else here shares your ignorance and confusion.

Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.

Usenet is also full of spammed (multiply-posted) adverts and other
unwelcome material such as binaries posted to non-binary newsgroups,
which competent news-servers delete to save bandwidth and assist their
clients. My isp zetnet provides free, and operates, the excellent news
server I use called zimacs.

How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

That discussion was about multiple EMAIL virus attack, not usenet spam.

Zetnet is highly responsive to its clients and fosters good relations
and information between management and users via internal newsgroups.
When many zetnet users requested server-level blocking of the email
viral bombardment, there was a newsgroup discussion, then zetnet took
full legal advice before solving the problem PDQ.

Janet.

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:18:47 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote:

The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your email.

Wrong. I was referring to usenet spam, as the context makes obvious.
Don't assume that anyone else here shares your ignorance and confusion.

Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.

Usenet is also full of spammed (multiply-posted) adverts and other
unwelcome material such as binaries posted to non-binary newsgroups,
which competent news-servers delete to save bandwidth and assist their
clients. My isp zetnet provides free, and operates, the excellent news
server I use called zimacs.

How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

That discussion was about multiple EMAIL virus attack, not usenet spam.

It was about viral attacks and tagging e-mail spam.


Zetnet is highly responsive to its clients and fosters good relations
and information between management and users via internal newsgroups.
When many zetnet users requested server-level blocking of the email
viral bombardment, there was a newsgroup discussion, then zetnet took
full legal advice before solving the problem PDQ.

So it's not illegal and ISPs do offer the service.

I already confirmed this by discussing it on unnc.


--
Martin

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:17:44 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "K" contains these words:

: Jim, sorry to butt in, but I haven't seen the ABC for ages now,
possibly
: since I changed isp. It could be that others are not seeing it
either.
Is
: it a possibility that some isps don't post it or something, or is
there
: another reason?
I'm with blueyonder. I wonder if other BY subscribers are getting
it.

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed
adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your
email.
Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.
How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago
we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement
was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the
ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

What they maintained was based on none sense. Ask about it on
uk.net.news.c and you will find that what I said at the time was
correct.

In that case I shall approach my ISP with a suitable request.

Franz

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:17:44 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "K" contains these words:

: Jim, sorry to butt in, but I haven't seen the ABC for ages now,
possibly
: since I changed isp. It could be that others are not seeing it
either.
Is
: it a possibility that some isps don't post it or something, or is
there
: another reason?
I'm with blueyonder. I wonder if other BY subscribers are getting
it.

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed
adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your
email.
Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.
How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago
we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement
was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the
ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

What they maintained was based on none sense. Ask about it on
uk.net.news.c and you will find that what I said at the time was
correct.

In that case I shall approach my ISP with a suitable request.

Franz

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed
adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your
email.

Wrong. I was referring to usenet spam, as the context makes obvious.
Don't assume that anyone else here shares your ignorance and confusion.

I find your extreme unpleasantness quite offensive and childish. My guess
is that other urglers also do so.

But to continue: I presume then that the spam of which you speak is what I
call multiply crossposted items to newsgroups. Yes, they do appear, but at
a relatively low rate. My way to deal with them is to simply ignore them.
It works.

Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.

Usenet is also full of spammed (multiply-posted) adverts and other
unwelcome material such as binaries posted to non-binary newsgroups,

Those binary occurrences are rarities, usually perpetrated by newbies who do
not yet know the ropes.

which competent news-servers delete to save bandwidth and assist their
clients.

Indeed, yes. It is their duty to do so, since usenet is a text only
acticity.

My isp zetnet provides free, and operates, the excellent news
server I use called zimacs.

How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago
we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement
was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the
ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

That discussion was about multiple EMAIL virus attack, not usenet spam.

Zetnet is highly responsive to its clients and fosters good relations
and information between management and users via internal newsgroups.
When many zetnet users requested server-level blocking of the email
viral bombardment, there was a newsgroup discussion, then zetnet took
full legal advice before solving the problem PDQ.

That is very interesting.

Franz

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed
adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your
email.

Wrong. I was referring to usenet spam, as the context makes obvious.
Don't assume that anyone else here shares your ignorance and confusion.

I find your extreme unpleasantness quite offensive and childish. My guess
is that other urglers also do so.

But to continue: I presume then that the spam of which you speak is what I
call multiply crossposted items to newsgroups. Yes, they do appear, but at
a relatively low rate. My way to deal with them is to simply ignore them.
It works.

Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.

Usenet is also full of spammed (multiply-posted) adverts and other
unwelcome material such as binaries posted to non-binary newsgroups,

Those binary occurrences are rarities, usually perpetrated by newbies who do
not yet know the ropes.

which competent news-servers delete to save bandwidth and assist their
clients.

Indeed, yes. It is their duty to do so, since usenet is a text only
acticity.

My isp zetnet provides free, and operates, the excellent news
server I use called zimacs.

How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago
we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement
was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the
ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

That discussion was about multiple EMAIL virus attack, not usenet spam.

Zetnet is highly responsive to its clients and fosters good relations
and information between management and users via internal newsgroups.
When many zetnet users requested server-level blocking of the email
viral bombardment, there was a newsgroup discussion, then zetnet took
full legal advice before solving the problem PDQ.

That is very interesting.

Franz

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:17:44 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "K" contains these words:

: Jim, sorry to butt in, but I haven't seen the ABC for ages now,
possibly
: since I changed isp. It could be that others are not seeing it
either.
Is
: it a possibility that some isps don't post it or something, or is
there
: another reason?
I'm with blueyonder. I wonder if other BY subscribers are getting
it.

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed
adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your
email.
Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.
How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago
we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement
was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the
ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

What they maintained was based on none sense. Ask about it on
uk.net.news.c and you will find that what I said at the time was
correct.

In that case I shall approach my ISP with a suitable request.

Franz

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed
adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your
email.

Wrong. I was referring to usenet spam, as the context makes obvious.
Don't assume that anyone else here shares your ignorance and confusion.

I find your extreme unpleasantness quite offensive and childish. My guess
is that other urglers also do so.

But to continue: I presume then that the spam of which you speak is what I
call multiply crossposted items to newsgroups. Yes, they do appear, but at
a relatively low rate. My way to deal with them is to simply ignore them.
It works.

Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.

Usenet is also full of spammed (multiply-posted) adverts and other
unwelcome material such as binaries posted to non-binary newsgroups,

Those binary occurrences are rarities, usually perpetrated by newbies who do
not yet know the ropes.

which competent news-servers delete to save bandwidth and assist their
clients.

Indeed, yes. It is their duty to do so, since usenet is a text only
acticity.

My isp zetnet provides free, and operates, the excellent news
server I use called zimacs.

How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago
we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement
was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the
ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

That discussion was about multiple EMAIL virus attack, not usenet spam.

Zetnet is highly responsive to its clients and fosters good relations
and information between management and users via internal newsgroups.
When many zetnet users requested server-level blocking of the email
viral bombardment, there was a newsgroup discussion, then zetnet took
full legal advice before solving the problem PDQ.

That is very interesting.

Franz

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:17:44 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "K" contains these words:

: Jim, sorry to butt in, but I haven't seen the ABC for ages now,
possibly
: since I changed isp. It could be that others are not seeing it
either.
Is
: it a possibility that some isps don't post it or something, or is
there
: another reason?
I'm with blueyonder. I wonder if other BY subscribers are getting
it.

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed
adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your
email.
Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.
How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago
we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement
was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the
ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

What they maintained was based on none sense. Ask about it on
uk.net.news.c and you will find that what I said at the time was
correct.

In that case I shall approach my ISP with a suitable request.

Franz

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:

The ABC turned up today as usual, K. My isp weeds out spammed
adverts,
but evidently doesn't identify endless repetitions of the ABC as such.
Possibly yours does? Or your newsreader settings do?

The spam which, according to you, your ISP is weeding, is from your
email.

Wrong. I was referring to usenet spam, as the context makes obvious.
Don't assume that anyone else here shares your ignorance and confusion.

I find your extreme unpleasantness quite offensive and childish. My guess
is that other urglers also do so.

But to continue: I presume then that the spam of which you speak is what I
call multiply crossposted items to newsgroups. Yes, they do appear, but at
a relatively low rate. My way to deal with them is to simply ignore them.
It works.

Usenet is an entirely different internet activity.

Usenet is also full of spammed (multiply-posted) adverts and other
unwelcome material such as binaries posted to non-binary newsgroups,

Those binary occurrences are rarities, usually perpetrated by newbies who do
not yet know the ropes.

which competent news-servers delete to save bandwidth and assist their
clients.

Indeed, yes. It is their duty to do so, since usenet is a text only
acticity.

My isp zetnet provides free, and operates, the excellent news
server I use called zimacs.

How did you manage to persuade your ISP to remove spam? A few days ago
we
had a discussion in which some folk maintained that such an arrangement
was
illegal, since both sender and receiver were supposed to agree that the
ISP
may do a bit of cleaning up.

That discussion was about multiple EMAIL virus attack, not usenet spam.

Zetnet is highly responsive to its clients and fosters good relations
and information between management and users via internal newsgroups.
When many zetnet users requested server-level blocking of the email
viral bombardment, there was a newsgroup discussion, then zetnet took
full legal advice before solving the problem PDQ.

That is very interesting.

Franz

K wrote:

Ah! I think I've solved it. I have a rule for posts exceeding 65 lines -
that's probably why!

K

That'd do it.. the ABC is
75 lines;-)
/
Jim

In article , Victoria
Clare writes

If you have a shredder, shredded hedge clippings also make a good mulch,
and can look very neat. I tend to stick a layer over my other mulches so
people can see my efforts are deliberate!

After a while you get a nice thick buildup of rotted mulch (which the
plants like much better than my thin stony soil!)


Victoria don't you find that rotting clippings would take the nitrogen
from the soil? I always thought that it had to be well rotted or the
action of the decay locks up valuable minerals in the soil. On the other
hand if it's on top of a layer of well rotted stuff perhaps it doesn't
matter?

Janet

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

".........Victoria don't you find that rotting clippings would take the
nitrogen
from the soil? I always thought that it had to be well rotted or the
action of the decay locks up valuable minerals in the soil. On the other
hand if it's on top of a layer of well rotted stuff perhaps it doesn't
matter?........"

Why not top dress with a Nitrogen fertilizer?


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Victoria
Clare writes

If you have a shredder, shredded hedge clippings also make a good mulch,
and can look very neat. I tend to stick a layer over my other mulches so
people can see my efforts are deliberate!

After a while you get a nice thick buildup of rotted mulch (which the
plants like much better than my thin stony soil!)


Victoria don't you find that rotting clippings would take the nitrogen
from the soil? I always thought that it had to be well rotted or the
action of the decay locks up valuable minerals in the soil. On the other
hand if it's on top of a layer of well rotted stuff perhaps it doesn't
matter?

Janet

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

My own thoughts on this is that whilst its true the break down proccess will
take nitrogen, if the material is on the surface there is no problem as its
surrounded with the stuff (air :~) also because its green so to speak it is
attractive to worms and worm poo is as good as any other sort! :~)
--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message
...

"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Victoria
Clare writes

If you have a shredder, shredded hedge clippings also make a good
mulch,
and can look very neat. I tend to stick a layer over my other mulches
so
people can see my efforts are deliberate!

After a while you get a nice thick buildup of rotted mulch (which the
plants like much better than my thin stony soil!)


Victoria don't you find that rotting clippings would take the nitrogen
from the soil? I always thought that it had to be well rotted or the
action of the decay locks up valuable minerals in the soil. On the other
hand if it's on top of a layer of well rotted stuff perhaps it doesn't
matter?

Janet

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

My own thoughts on this is that whilst its true the break down proccess
will
take nitrogen, if the material is on the surface there is no problem as
its
surrounded with the stuff (air :~)

There are very, very few plants (if any?) which can utilise atmospheric
nitrogen directly. It usually has to be subjected to an inorganic chemical
action which converts it into one or more simple inorganic chemicals which
can be used by plants. The most common of the agents which cause the
required reactions is lightning, which causes the nitrogen to be combined
with oxygen into various water soluble nitrogen oxides. The rain
subsequently incorporates them into the soil.

It is easy to avoid the nitrogen shortage which might be caused by an
undecomposed mulch: Simply feed the mulch lightly with a soluble
nitrogenous fertiliser. Both that, and the nitrogen released from the mulch
by its decay, will eventually find its way into the soil.

I would like to hear comments in which the direct application of unrotted
material is compared with the process in which the material is first rotted
in a compost heap and only applied to the soil after decomposition. In the
latter case, is it not likely that during decomposition some of the
nutrients would be washed or evaporated away before the compost is used?

also because its green so to speak it is
attractive to worms and worm poo is as good as any other sort! :~)

Or even better?

Franz