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1st CFV : Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments
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from "Anthony" contains these words: So the word allotment is NOT specified! Have you read what you cut and pasted? It seems to be hiden in a secret paragraph. You see I could talk about telegraph poles, cars and cess pits, because each of my neighbours has one or more in their garden, and still be on topic by your argument. Most, or all of which have been discussed in urg in the past. We also talk about ponds, woodland, bog-gardens, and a host of other subjects which are not specified. Unlike you, I have collected urg on and off for about seven years, and you'd be surprised at some of the subjects discussed. This is what 'this is not intended to be an ehaustive list' means. It will always be OK because somebody says it is 'not an exhaustive list'. It rather depends on the angle of aproach. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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from "Anthony" contains these words: Of course. Why did you bother to post? Why did you waste bandwidth replying? Why can't you both trim your posts? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:49:23 GMT, Janet Baraclough ..
wrote: big snip ~ ~If Gary's proposal doesn't meet the required standard to form a group ~within the Big 8 hierarchies, he could always go downmarket and start an ~alt.group about allotments. Oops, I'm forgetting..he already thought of ~that, and got blown out of the water then too, for equally good reasons. ~ ~Google/groups search facility is such a mixed blessing, isn't it? :-) ~ ~ Janet Well well! Thanks a lot, Janet... I'd never have noticed this otherwise... http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...3D Google%2BS earch is the whole thread http://tinyurl.com/385oq if the other one doesn't work... :-) This is the first email. The thread is worth reading, for those of you are in two minds... QUOTE................................. From: Gary [Torquay] ) Subject: [Proposal] alt.uk.allotments Newsgroups: alt.config Date: 2004-01-22 16:57:21 PST Here is a proposal for alt.uk.allotments on 23.1.2004 This group is designed to help other allotment holders to stay in touch across the UK for planting times, general planting methods and ideal pest control ect.. Iam a allotment holder for "South Parks" here in Torquay Devon. I have searched for a group of this kind but can not find it available. I feel that "alt.uk.allotments" would be popular group to discuss allotment issues. Many Thanks Gary Poston END QUOTE.............................. specifically *this* reply: QUOTE........................... From: BarB ) Subject: [Proposal] alt.uk.allotments Newsgroups: alt.config Date: 2004-01-23 14:09:18 PST Bring up your idea in uk.rec.gardening. If there's enough interest, you might have the votes to split off a sub group, perhaps name it uk.rec.gardening.allotments. Directions for that hierarchy are found at www.usenet.org.uk The config group is uk.net.news.config. Hierarchy: uk.* Country: United Kingdom Language: English Newsgroup(s): uk.net.news.announce(m), uk.net.news.config Email: URL(s): www.usenet.org.uk BarB END QUOTE........................ Now if he'd actually done what was suggested, ie brought up the idea and discussed it with us he may have had a lot better response... as it was, he just sprang the idea on us with no discussion. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:49:23 GMT, Janet Baraclough ..
wrote: big snip ~ ~If Gary's proposal doesn't meet the required standard to form a group ~within the Big 8 hierarchies, he could always go downmarket and start an ~alt.group about allotments. Oops, I'm forgetting..he already thought of ~that, and got blown out of the water then too, for equally good reasons. ~ ~Google/groups search facility is such a mixed blessing, isn't it? :-) ~ ~ Janet Well well! Thanks a lot, Janet... I'd never have noticed this otherwise... http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...3D Google%2BS earch is the whole thread http://tinyurl.com/385oq if the other one doesn't work... :-) This is the first email. The thread is worth reading, for those of you are in two minds... QUOTE................................. From: Gary [Torquay] ) Subject: [Proposal] alt.uk.allotments Newsgroups: alt.config Date: 2004-01-22 16:57:21 PST Here is a proposal for alt.uk.allotments on 23.1.2004 This group is designed to help other allotment holders to stay in touch across the UK for planting times, general planting methods and ideal pest control ect.. Iam a allotment holder for "South Parks" here in Torquay Devon. I have searched for a group of this kind but can not find it available. I feel that "alt.uk.allotments" would be popular group to discuss allotment issues. Many Thanks Gary Poston END QUOTE.............................. specifically *this* reply: QUOTE........................... From: BarB ) Subject: [Proposal] alt.uk.allotments Newsgroups: alt.config Date: 2004-01-23 14:09:18 PST Bring up your idea in uk.rec.gardening. If there's enough interest, you might have the votes to split off a sub group, perhaps name it uk.rec.gardening.allotments. Directions for that hierarchy are found at www.usenet.org.uk The config group is uk.net.news.config. Hierarchy: uk.* Country: United Kingdom Language: English Newsgroup(s): uk.net.news.announce(m), uk.net.news.config Email: URL(s): www.usenet.org.uk BarB END QUOTE........................ Now if he'd actually done what was suggested, ie brought up the idea and discussed it with us he may have had a lot better response... as it was, he just sprang the idea on us with no discussion. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:42:13 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:49:23 GMT, Janet Baraclough .. wrote: big snip ~ ~If Gary's proposal doesn't meet the required standard to form a group ~within the Big 8 hierarchies, he could always go downmarket and start an ~alt.group about allotments. Oops, I'm forgetting..he already thought of ~that, and got blown out of the water then too, for equally good reasons. ~ ~Google/groups search facility is such a mixed blessing, isn't it? :-) ~ ~ Janet Well well! Thanks a lot, Janet... I'd never have noticed this otherwise... http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...%3D Google%2B Search is the whole thread http://tinyurl.com/385oq if the other one doesn't work... :-) This is the first email. The thread is worth reading, for those of you are in two minds... LOL very good and a feeling of deja vu from ... quote on From: ratzilla ) Subject: [Proposal] alt.uk.allotments View this article only Newsgroups: alt.config Date: 2004-01-22 17:25:20 PST "Gary [Torquay]" wrote in : Here is a proposal for alt.uk.allotments on 23.1.2004 This group is designed to help other allotment holders to stay in touch across the UK for planting times, general planting methods and ideal pest control ect.. Another very specifically british topic (for an international group.) Uk.rec.gardening is crawling with allotment-holders, posting about their allotments - since you don't appear to have posted on the topic, recommend you try it. "To discuss gardening questions and share tips on- Weeds, flowers, shrubs, trees, fruit and veg., lawns, beneficial insects and animals, pests and diseases, soils, composting, design, location, situation, seasons/times, hard structures (paths, greenhouses, cloches, rockeries), tools and materials." end quote -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:21:42 -0000, "Anthony"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Yes but it WASN'T the FULL QUOTE, which affected its meaning. Who do you think you are bluffing? I have just looked again at the original and it is clear that my quotation conveys the sense of the original. It wasn't YOUR quotation, it belonged to Janet, whom I replied to. Having trouble following the thread Franz? Taking credit for something written by another, theres a name for that! Ah, so is his intent just to split urg, thereby being the opposite of "good for URG" Where does he say he wants to split urg? The actual quote please. What realistically do you think the harm would be? Where did I say that he *said* he wants to split urg? I *deduced* that he wants to split urg. Why else would he be proposing a new group when in fact there are allotmenteers happily contributing to urg? The proposer has not once tried to raise matters of interest to allotmenteers in urg. Indeed, it seems that he has never even lurked in urg, otherwise he would have been aware that allotment issues *are* in fact discussed there. You are making it up as you go along! How on earth can you know that someone has not 'lurked' in a group? That is the most stupid remark you have made so far................... That is total rubbish. Please familiarise yourself with urg's charter and understand it before talking such nonsense. Again, Quote to me where in the charter of urg. it specifies the discussion of allotments. Are you really as silly as you come across? The charter does not say anywhere that growing lavender bushes or raising half hardy seedlings are suitable topics for discussion in urg either. So, are we supposed to avert our eyes when those topics crop up? Not covered under 'flowers or shrubs' then? Wow, no wonder you subscribe to this group, your gardening knowledge is very poor. Now tell me what allotments would come under the heading of? How gripping. If it not specified it is strictly speaking OFF topic. I have read the charter, have you? Can you find it? on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. Urglers are in fact this very minute discussing "sheds and planning to their hearts content." Please look at the list of current threads. What? Just started one have you? You are obviously quite unfamiliar with the contents of urg in the past and now. That does not put you in a good position for defending the setting up of a breakaway group. Use Google, I know how long you have been posting. I bet that scares him. I leave it for others to decide for themselves whether that last paragraph spells out a case for splitting a very active group just to satisfy the whim of a person, or small coterie of folk who have never tried to participate in the existing group. Its not for me to spell out the case for the formation for the new group. Why have you then written this particular note? But I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to oppose just because the proposer hasn't posted enough to urg in the past, or has chosen to remain on the sidelines. Snip an attempted insult . ******, snip that then! lol The bandwidth issue has been spouted but no evidence has been given to prove that more space would be taken up by the new group. Time and again, you Franz, have stated that all posts to the proposed group would be crossposted, again without a shread of evidence being cited. You are being even more silly than you are. How on earth can evidence have accrued for an event in the future? It was your argument Franz, how soon you forget. Use google to check what you have posted in the past if your memory is failing. All that shows us is you lied about where you live and you are a coward, what have we missed? But for a somewhat analogous case, look at what happened in uk.rec.audio when uk.rec.audio.vinyl and uk.rec.audio.car were spawned. Many reasons therefore against the motion with a distinct lack of evidence. You are being needlessly repetitive. The proposer has been accused of 'Empire Building', I personally think that some people are frightened that their own 'little empire' may be under threat in some way. Still we can agree to differ can't we Franz. You vote your way, I'll vote mine. Of course. Why did you bother to post? Why did you waste bandwidth replying? Shut the **** up you whinging troll and take your bottlejob lifestyle elsewhere. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:21:42 -0000, "Anthony"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Yes but it WASN'T the FULL QUOTE, which affected its meaning. Who do you think you are bluffing? I have just looked again at the original and it is clear that my quotation conveys the sense of the original. It wasn't YOUR quotation, it belonged to Janet, whom I replied to. Having trouble following the thread Franz? Taking credit for something written by another, theres a name for that! Ah, so is his intent just to split urg, thereby being the opposite of "good for URG" Where does he say he wants to split urg? The actual quote please. What realistically do you think the harm would be? Where did I say that he *said* he wants to split urg? I *deduced* that he wants to split urg. Why else would he be proposing a new group when in fact there are allotmenteers happily contributing to urg? The proposer has not once tried to raise matters of interest to allotmenteers in urg. Indeed, it seems that he has never even lurked in urg, otherwise he would have been aware that allotment issues *are* in fact discussed there. You are making it up as you go along! How on earth can you know that someone has not 'lurked' in a group? That is the most stupid remark you have made so far................... That is total rubbish. Please familiarise yourself with urg's charter and understand it before talking such nonsense. Again, Quote to me where in the charter of urg. it specifies the discussion of allotments. Are you really as silly as you come across? The charter does not say anywhere that growing lavender bushes or raising half hardy seedlings are suitable topics for discussion in urg either. So, are we supposed to avert our eyes when those topics crop up? Not covered under 'flowers or shrubs' then? Wow, no wonder you subscribe to this group, your gardening knowledge is very poor. Now tell me what allotments would come under the heading of? How gripping. If it not specified it is strictly speaking OFF topic. I have read the charter, have you? Can you find it? on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. Urglers are in fact this very minute discussing "sheds and planning to their hearts content." Please look at the list of current threads. What? Just started one have you? You are obviously quite unfamiliar with the contents of urg in the past and now. That does not put you in a good position for defending the setting up of a breakaway group. Use Google, I know how long you have been posting. I bet that scares him. I leave it for others to decide for themselves whether that last paragraph spells out a case for splitting a very active group just to satisfy the whim of a person, or small coterie of folk who have never tried to participate in the existing group. Its not for me to spell out the case for the formation for the new group. Why have you then written this particular note? But I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to oppose just because the proposer hasn't posted enough to urg in the past, or has chosen to remain on the sidelines. Snip an attempted insult . ******, snip that then! lol The bandwidth issue has been spouted but no evidence has been given to prove that more space would be taken up by the new group. Time and again, you Franz, have stated that all posts to the proposed group would be crossposted, again without a shread of evidence being cited. You are being even more silly than you are. How on earth can evidence have accrued for an event in the future? It was your argument Franz, how soon you forget. Use google to check what you have posted in the past if your memory is failing. All that shows us is you lied about where you live and you are a coward, what have we missed? But for a somewhat analogous case, look at what happened in uk.rec.audio when uk.rec.audio.vinyl and uk.rec.audio.car were spawned. Many reasons therefore against the motion with a distinct lack of evidence. You are being needlessly repetitive. The proposer has been accused of 'Empire Building', I personally think that some people are frightened that their own 'little empire' may be under threat in some way. Still we can agree to differ can't we Franz. You vote your way, I'll vote mine. Of course. Why did you bother to post? Why did you waste bandwidth replying? Shut the **** up you whinging troll and take your bottlejob lifestyle elsewhere. |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:21:42 -0000, "Anthony"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Yes but it WASN'T the FULL QUOTE, which affected its meaning. Who do you think you are bluffing? I have just looked again at the original and it is clear that my quotation conveys the sense of the original. It wasn't YOUR quotation, it belonged to Janet, whom I replied to. Having trouble following the thread Franz? Taking credit for something written by another, theres a name for that! Ah, so is his intent just to split urg, thereby being the opposite of "good for URG" Where does he say he wants to split urg? The actual quote please. What realistically do you think the harm would be? Where did I say that he *said* he wants to split urg? I *deduced* that he wants to split urg. Why else would he be proposing a new group when in fact there are allotmenteers happily contributing to urg? The proposer has not once tried to raise matters of interest to allotmenteers in urg. Indeed, it seems that he has never even lurked in urg, otherwise he would have been aware that allotment issues *are* in fact discussed there. You are making it up as you go along! How on earth can you know that someone has not 'lurked' in a group? That is the most stupid remark you have made so far................... That is total rubbish. Please familiarise yourself with urg's charter and understand it before talking such nonsense. Again, Quote to me where in the charter of urg. it specifies the discussion of allotments. Are you really as silly as you come across? The charter does not say anywhere that growing lavender bushes or raising half hardy seedlings are suitable topics for discussion in urg either. So, are we supposed to avert our eyes when those topics crop up? Not covered under 'flowers or shrubs' then? Wow, no wonder you subscribe to this group, your gardening knowledge is very poor. Now tell me what allotments would come under the heading of? How gripping. If it not specified it is strictly speaking OFF topic. I have read the charter, have you? Can you find it? on another group, where people can talk vegetables, sheds and planning to their hearts content. Urglers are in fact this very minute discussing "sheds and planning to their hearts content." Please look at the list of current threads. What? Just started one have you? You are obviously quite unfamiliar with the contents of urg in the past and now. That does not put you in a good position for defending the setting up of a breakaway group. Use Google, I know how long you have been posting. I bet that scares him. I leave it for others to decide for themselves whether that last paragraph spells out a case for splitting a very active group just to satisfy the whim of a person, or small coterie of folk who have never tried to participate in the existing group. Its not for me to spell out the case for the formation for the new group. Why have you then written this particular note? But I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to oppose just because the proposer hasn't posted enough to urg in the past, or has chosen to remain on the sidelines. Snip an attempted insult . ******, snip that then! lol The bandwidth issue has been spouted but no evidence has been given to prove that more space would be taken up by the new group. Time and again, you Franz, have stated that all posts to the proposed group would be crossposted, again without a shread of evidence being cited. You are being even more silly than you are. How on earth can evidence have accrued for an event in the future? It was your argument Franz, how soon you forget. Use google to check what you have posted in the past if your memory is failing. All that shows us is you lied about where you live and you are a coward, what have we missed? But for a somewhat analogous case, look at what happened in uk.rec.audio when uk.rec.audio.vinyl and uk.rec.audio.car were spawned. Many reasons therefore against the motion with a distinct lack of evidence. You are being needlessly repetitive. The proposer has been accused of 'Empire Building', I personally think that some people are frightened that their own 'little empire' may be under threat in some way. Still we can agree to differ can't we Franz. You vote your way, I'll vote mine. Of course. Why did you bother to post? Why did you waste bandwidth replying? Shut the **** up you whinging troll and take your bottlejob lifestyle elsewhere. |
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from martin contains these words: /sodding great snip/ Talking of trolls .... what are you doing in this newsgroup? You never seem to have anything to say about gardening and your comments are usually distasteful and inappropriate. I totally disagree. Franz has had lots to say about gardening. It's also clear you don't understand the meaning of troll. A troll is not somebody, who doesn't agree with the clique all the time. Would you like me to send you a pair of scissors? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from martin contains these words: /sodding great snip/ Talking of trolls .... what are you doing in this newsgroup? You never seem to have anything to say about gardening and your comments are usually distasteful and inappropriate. I totally disagree. Franz has had lots to say about gardening. It's also clear you don't understand the meaning of troll. A troll is not somebody, who doesn't agree with the clique all the time. Would you like me to send you a pair of scissors? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from martin contains these words: /sodding great snip/ Talking of trolls .... what are you doing in this newsgroup? You never seem to have anything to say about gardening and your comments are usually distasteful and inappropriate. I totally disagree. Franz has had lots to say about gardening. It's also clear you don't understand the meaning of troll. A troll is not somebody, who doesn't agree with the clique all the time. Would you like me to send you a pair of scissors? -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:31:37 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: Would you like me to send you a pair of scissors? and my news server, I cancelled that one. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:31:37 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: Would you like me to send you a pair of scissors? and my news server, I cancelled that one. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:31:37 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: Would you like me to send you a pair of scissors? and my news server, I cancelled that one. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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