On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:25:04 -0000, "David Hill"
wrote:


Steady on..... If you don't play to their rules then they'll take the ball
away and wont let you play with them again.

Citizen Smith became a dentist
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

"..........
.. . . or a country which executes the mentally ill, has the highest gun
crime rate in the world, has the highest proportion of its population in
prison (mostly ethnic minorities) of any country in the world, produces 25%
of the world's pollution whilst having only 4% of the world's population,
produces and exports the highest quantity of lethal weapons in the world, is
the only country ever to have used nuclear weapons against civilian
populations, has over 50% of its population suffering from obesity, is
responsible for attacking more countries in the 20th century than any other
country in the world, and has kept hundreds of foreign nationals imprisoned
for years on end without charge, trial or representation in cages exposed to
the elements, in violation of the Geneva Convention? A country which
provided targeting information for Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons in the
Iran-Iraq war, uses radioactive waste in its battlefield munitions, and
whose covert operations have resulted in the deaths of millions of civilians
worldwide, and the destabilisation and overthrow of such democratically
elected heads of state as Salvador Allende of Chile? A country whose use of
chemical and biological weapons has left the soil of countries like Vietnam
and Cambodia poisoned for generations after its genocidal attacks, producing
horrific birth defects to this day? ............"

Steady on..... If you don't play to their rules then they'll take the ball
away and wont let you play with them again.


--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:25:04 -0000, "David Hill"
wrote:


Steady on..... If you don't play to their rules then they'll take the ball
away and wont let you play with them again.

Citizen Smith became a dentist
--

Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit;
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

"..........
. . . or a country which executes the mentally ill, has the highest gun
crime rate in the world, has the highest proportion of its population in
prison (mostly ethnic minorities) of any country in the world, produces
25%
of the world's pollution whilst having only 4% of the world's population,
produces and exports the highest quantity of lethal weapons in the world,
is
the only country ever to have used nuclear weapons against civilian
populations, has over 50% of its population suffering from obesity, is
responsible for attacking more countries in the 20th century than any
other
country in the world, and has kept hundreds of foreign nationals
imprisoned
for years on end without charge, trial or representation in cages exposed
to
the elements, in violation of the Geneva Convention? A country which
provided targeting information for Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons in
the
Iran-Iraq war, uses radioactive waste in its battlefield munitions, and
whose covert operations have resulted in the deaths of millions of
civilians
worldwide, and the destabilisation and overthrow of such democratically
elected heads of state as Salvador Allende of Chile? A country whose use
of
chemical and biological weapons has left the soil of countries like
Vietnam
and Cambodia poisoned for generations after its genocidal attacks,
producing
horrific birth defects to this day? ............"

Steady on..... If you don't play to their rules then they'll take the ball
away and wont let you play with them again.

Oops! Sorry . . . I thought I was back on antiwar.com for a second there.
Well - you did ask!

I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be all that Nazi gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables them to pay for their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

Incidentally (well, for this thread in any case) I got two really quite
decent solar LED garden lights from Wilkinsons yesterday for £8. Now THAT'S
what I call civilised!

Andrew

Steady on..... If you don't play to their rules then they'll take the
ball
away and wont let you play with them again.

Citizen Smith became a dentist

Yes but they're a miserable lot aren't they, dentists. Always looking down
in the mouth.

Andrew

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:24:49 -0000, "Andy Hunt"
wrote:

I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be all that Nazi gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables them to pay for their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

It could be just that the Swiss are hardworking and have low taxation
and haven't wasted their assets on wars for about 400 years.


Incidentally (well, for this thread in any case) I got two really quite
decent solar LED garden lights from Wilkinsons yesterday for £8. Now THAT'S
what I call civilised!

Made by slave child labour in the third world. You suffer from double
standards or what? You'll be telling us how cheap stuff is in IKEA
next.

I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be all that Nazi
gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables them to pay for
their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

It could be just that the Swiss are hardworking and have low taxation
and haven't wasted their assets on wars for about 400 years.

Could be . . . unlike certain countries for whom wars ARE an asset - those
which host huge weapons manufacturing companies, like ours, for example.



Incidentally (well, for this thread in any case) I got two really quite
decent solar LED garden lights from Wilkinsons yesterday for £8. Now
THAT'S
what I call civilised!

Made by slave child labour in the third world.

Really? Maybe I should have got them from the CAT at £50 each . . . I'd
certainly be interested in your sources for that piece of information, then
I can warn everyone else about it. I've thrown the box out now,
unfortunately.

You suffer from double
standards or what? You'll be telling us how cheap stuff is in IKEA
next.

I surrender! Please don't shoot! I don't shop at Ikea!

Andrew
http://newcelticcentury.megalomania.co.uk

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:05:51 -0000, "Andy Hunt"
wrote:



I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be all that Nazi
gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables them to pay for
their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

It could be just that the Swiss are hardworking and have low taxation
and haven't wasted their assets on wars for about 400 years.

Could be . . . unlike certain countries for whom wars ARE an asset - those
which host huge weapons manufacturing companies, like ours, for example.

the Swiss host an enormous weapon manufacturing company, Contraves but
don't let that spoil a good argument :-)

Not to mention the monosodium glutamate WMD factory/mines of Maggi.




Incidentally (well, for this thread in any case) I got two really quite
decent solar LED garden lights from Wilkinsons yesterday for £8. Now
THAT'S
what I call civilised!

Made by slave child labour in the third world.

Really? Maybe I should have got them from the CAT at £50 each . . . I'd
certainly be interested in your sources for that piece of information, then
I can warn everyone else about it. I've thrown the box out now,
unfortunately.

How else do you think they can be made at UKP4 each?


You suffer from double
standards or what? You'll be telling us how cheap stuff is in IKEA
next.

I surrender! Please don't shoot! I don't shop at Ikea!

Nor me since I saw a documentary on where and how their stuff is made.
That coupled with the way their stuff falls apart :-)

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:24:49 -0000, "Andy Hunt"
wrote:

I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be
all that Nazi gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables them
to pay for their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

It could be just that the Swiss are hardworking and have
low taxation
and haven't wasted their assets on wars for about 400
years.

In fact, they have reaped a considerable income from hiring
out people to other countries for making war.
(I cannot remember whether it was Liechtenstein or
Switzerland from where 80 mercenaries went out to fight in a
war somewhere and 81 returned.)

Incidentally (well, for this thread in any case) I got
two really quite
decent solar LED garden lights from Wilkinsons yesterday
for £8. Now THAT'S
what I call civilised!

Made by slave child labour in the third world. You suffer
from double
standards or what? You'll be telling us how cheap stuff is
in IKEA
next.

Franz

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:24:49 -0000, "Andy Hunt"
wrote:

I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be
all that Nazi gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables them
to pay for their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

It could be just that the Swiss are hardworking and have
low taxation
and haven't wasted their assets on wars for about 400
years.

In fact, they have reaped a considerable income from hiring
out people to other countries for making war.
(I cannot remember whether it was Liechtenstein or
Switzerland from where 80 mercenaries went out to fight in a
war somewhere and 81 returned.)

Incidentally (well, for this thread in any case) I got
two really quite
decent solar LED garden lights from Wilkinsons yesterday
for £8. Now THAT'S
what I call civilised!

Made by slave child labour in the third world. You suffer
from double
standards or what? You'll be telling us how cheap stuff is
in IKEA
next.

Franz

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:24:49 -0000, "Andy Hunt"
wrote:

I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be
all that Nazi gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables them
to pay for their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

It could be just that the Swiss are hardworking and have
low taxation
and haven't wasted their assets on wars for about 400
years.

In fact, they have reaped a considerable income from hiring
out people to other countries for making war.
(I cannot remember whether it was Liechtenstein or
Switzerland from where 80 mercenaries went out to fight in a
war somewhere and 81 returned.)

Incidentally (well, for this thread in any case) I got
two really quite
decent solar LED garden lights from Wilkinsons yesterday
for £8. Now THAT'S
what I call civilised!

Made by slave child labour in the third world. You suffer
from double
standards or what? You'll be telling us how cheap stuff is
in IKEA
next.

Franz

"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
...


I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be
all that Nazi
gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables
them to pay for
their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

It could be just that the Swiss are hardworking and have
low taxation
and haven't wasted their assets on wars for about 400
years.

Could be . . . unlike certain countries for whom wars ARE
an asset - those
which host huge weapons manufacturing companies, like
ours, for example.

I am reasonably certain that the Swiss beat us at that game.

[snip]

Franz

"Andy Hunt" wrote in message
...


Would you call a country in which female circumcision is
practiced civilised?
Would you call countries like Ruanda and Congo
civilised?
Or indeed would you call any country which has an army
consisting of boy-soldiers civilised?
Would you call a country in which women are treated like
second class citizens and/or chattels civilised?


. . . or a country which executes the mentally ill, has
the highest gun
crime rate in the world, has the highest proportion of its
population in
prison (mostly ethnic minorities) of any country in the
world, produces 25%
of the world's pollution whilst having only 4% of the
world's population,
produces and exports the highest quantity of lethal
weapons in the world, is
the only country ever to have used nuclear weapons against
civilian
populations, has over 50% of its population suffering from
obesity, is
responsible for attacking more countries in the 20th
century than any other
country in the world, and has kept hundreds of foreign
nationals imprisoned
for years on end without charge, trial or representation
in cages exposed to
the elements, in violation of the Geneva Convention? A
country which
provided targeting information for Saddam Hussein's
chemical weapons in the
Iran-Iraq war, uses radioactive waste in its battlefield
munitions, and
whose covert operations have resulted in the deaths of
millions of civilians
worldwide, and the destabilisation and overthrow of such
democratically
elected heads of state as Salvador Allende of Chile? A
country whose use of
chemical and biological weapons has left the soil of
countries like Vietnam
and Cambodia poisoned for generations after its genocidal
attacks, producing
horrific birth defects to this day?

Thanks for putting it quite so eloquently.
You forgot two items:
And has not paid its subscriptions to the UN for many years
now
And has had subverted the function of the UN by bugging the
office of its Secretary General.

Franz

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:24:49 -0000, "Andy Hunt"
wrote:

I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be
all that Nazi gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables them
to pay for their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

It could be just that the Swiss are hardworking and have
low taxation
and haven't wasted their assets on wars for about 400
years.

In fact, they have reaped a considerable income from hiring
out people to other countries for making war.
(I cannot remember whether it was Liechtenstein or
Switzerland from where 80 mercenaries went out to fight in a
war somewhere and 81 returned.)

Incidentally (well, for this thread in any case) I got
two really quite
decent solar LED garden lights from Wilkinsons yesterday
for £8. Now THAT'S
what I call civilised!

Made by slave child labour in the third world. You suffer
from double
standards or what? You'll be telling us how cheap stuff is
in IKEA
next.

Franz

"martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:24:49 -0000, "Andy Hunt"
wrote:

I've heard that Switzerland is quite civilised. Must be
all that Nazi gold
and general confiscated holocaust booty that enables them
to pay for their
stupendously clean and beautiful country.

It could be just that the Swiss are hardworking and have
low taxation
and haven't wasted their assets on wars for about 400
years.

In fact, they have reaped a considerable income from hiring
out people to other countries for making war.
(I cannot remember whether it was Liechtenstein or
Switzerland from where 80 mercenaries went out to fight in a
war somewhere and 81 returned.)

Incidentally (well, for this thread in any case) I got
two really quite
decent solar LED garden lights from Wilkinsons yesterday
for £8. Now THAT'S
what I call civilised!

Made by slave child labour in the third world. You suffer
from double
standards or what? You'll be telling us how cheap stuff is
in IKEA
next.

Franz