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Now we live 'up North'.....
Hi all
Been a lurker here for a while on and off, but I now need some 'local' assistance from you good people. In a previous life we lived in sunny Oxfordshire, and could grow just about anything we liked outside as we seemed to have a never ending growing season. We now live in Ayrshire, and the climate's proving ever so slightly different. Some of you probably contributed to my 'what kind of greenhouse should I build' thread about a year ago, and I'm pleased to say it's now 90% functional ( I didn't bother with installing the auto roof vent openers, they're still in the box), and we have many plants on the go, ready to be planted out into newly prepared raised beds (once the railway sleepers arrive). However, I'm not sure about what'll survive outdoors here, hence the call for help. I have tomatoes (cherry and plum), courgettes, melons, cucumber, chillies, sweet red peppers, cayenne, garlic all looking ok in the greenhouse at the mo, and will be planting root veg directly outside as soon as I can. (as mentioned in another thread, SWMBO has some potatoes in car tyres on the go too) I have a south facing, pebbledash wall about 14 ft long that I could put vine wires on to train the toms etc, will they be ok? and what else might grow well beside them? Looking forward to all your tips - then we'll get on to the composting questions. Thanks in advance Tim |
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Subject: Now we live 'up North'.....
From: Tim Nicholson Date: 04/05/2004 18:30 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: We now live in Ayrshire, Which part? Some parts of Ayrshire are very mild, others can be a little harsh. I used to live in Ayrshire myself, up the Irvine valley which was quite mild. I have a south facing, pebbledash wall about 14 ft long that I could put vine wires on to train the toms etc, will they be ok? and what else might grow well beside them? Tomatos should grow, but wait until the start of june to avoid the last frost. As for what else, well, what else were you thinking? -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ "The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." Aubrey on remaining at liberty www.somethingpositive.net |
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from Tim Nicholson contains these words: Hi all Been a lurker here for a while on and off, but I now need some 'local' assistance from you good people. In a previous life we lived in sunny Oxfordshire, and could grow just about anything we liked outside as we seemed to have a never ending growing season. We now live in Ayrshire, and the climate's proving ever so slightly different. Which bit of Ayrshire? Coastal fringe is milder than inland. I'm not sure about what'll survive outdoors here, hence the call for help. I have tomatoes (cherry and plum), courgettes, melons, cucumber, chillies, sweet red peppers, cayenne, garlic all looking ok in the greenhouse at the mo, and will be planting root veg directly outside as soon as I can. (as mentioned in another thread, SWMBO has some potatoes in car tyres on the go too) I have a south facing, pebbledash wall about 14 ft long that I could put vine wires on to train the toms etc, will they be ok? and what else might grow well beside them? Chillies peppers and melons are strictly for the GH. Garlic is hardy and will be fine outide. Courgettes need to be hardened off, and planted outside after the last frost date. If you are well inland, I wouldn't plant them out till June 5th. Outdoor tomatoes are a bit of a gamble in Scotland, see last frost date. In a sunny garden, in a warm area, in a good summer, you might succeed. I recommend you divide your plants and grow half outside and half in the GH. Even in summer, you'll find west Scotland considerably windier than darnsarth, and the prevailing wind is SW..bear that in mind for your wall-cordons. Janet (Isle of Arran; snow on Goatfell last night). |
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from Tim Nicholson contains these words: Cucumbers? The variety I've germinated (can't remember the name right now) said OK for a cool greenhouse, so I'd hoped they too might grow outside. Probably, but you'd have been better (probably) with a ridge cucumber. I expect the chillies, melons etc will need to stay in the greenhouse primarily for the heat. Yes. I had some on a windowsill and some outside, and the outside ones never presented me with a ripe chilli, but I had loads from the ones in my front room. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
Yes. I had some on a windowsill and some outside, and the outside ones never presented me with a ripe chilli, but I had loads from the ones in my front room. What did you feed them with? HC -- www.magic-hush.com | email on website |
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Subject: Now we live 'up North'.....
From: Tim Nicholson Date: 04/05/2004 21:31 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: On 04 May 2004 19:50:25 GMT, emon (Rhiannon S) wrote: Subject: Now we live 'up North'..... From: Tim Nicholson Date: 04/05/2004 18:30 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: We now live in Ayrshire, Which part? Some parts of Ayrshire are very mild, others can be a little harsh. I used to live in Ayrshire myself, up the Irvine valley which was quite mild. Ha! We also live in the Irvine valley, just East of Kilmarnock. Hey, if you have moved to Darvel, then you have won a prize) If of course, you went for one of the other towns then we look down on you, you feelthy kerniggets. ) (20p fine now paid) Weather does seem reasonably mild, except for the seemingly continuous rain from mid-october 'til March.... You noticed that too huh. I was told it's something to do with the shape of the valley forcing the clouds up it and then not being able to get up onto the Lanark moors at the end. Um, yes very wet in winter. I have a south facing, pebbledash wall about 14 ft long that I could put vine wires on to train the toms etc, will they be ok? and what else might grow well beside them? Tomatos should grow, but wait until the start of june to avoid the last frost. As for what else, well, what else were you thinking? Cucumbers? The variety I've germinated (can't remember the name right now) said OK for a cool greenhouse, so I'd hoped they too might grow outside. I expect the chillies, melons etc will need to stay in the greenhouse primarily for the heat. Yes and no for the cucumbers. In a good year they will do very well outside, in a bad year it's certain death. And in an average year, maybe aye, maybe naw. Sorry I'm not more helpful. -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ "The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." Aubrey on remaining at liberty www.somethingpositive.net |
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from (Hugh Chaloner) contains these words: Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: Yes. I had some on a windowsill and some outside, and the outside ones never presented me with a ripe chilli, but I had loads from the ones in my front room. What did you feed them with? Tomorite. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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Subject: Now we live 'up North'.....
From: Tim Nicholson Date: 05/05/2004 14:40 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Ah no, we chose not to live in any of the villages or towns on the A71, but rather further out in the countryside. If you know the area we're about 3/4 mile due north of the A71 at Hurlford, adjacent to the river. T Um, this may not be a good time to mention this, but did you check for flood risk? If it's the area I'm thinking of then it's proverbial for flooding very badly. Although if it helps, you're in one of the warmer areas in ayrshire. -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ "The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." Aubrey on remaining at liberty www.somethingpositive.net |
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On Tue, 4 May 2004 21:08:29 +0100, Janet Baraclough..
wrote: Which bit of Ayrshire? Coastal fringe is milder than inland. Irvine valley - just east of Kilmarnock, so 'reasonably' mild I'm assured by other urglers! (I wonder what 'unreasonably' mild feels like) Chillies peppers and melons are strictly for the GH. Garlic is hardy and will be fine outide. Courgettes need to be hardened off, and planted outside after the last frost date. If you are well inland, I wouldn't plant them out till June 5th. With the first frost of winter arriving on June 8th, that doen't leave a very long growing season - June 5th it is then....is that folklore, a metoffice 'best guess' or phenological observation? Outdoor tomatoes are a bit of a gamble in Scotland, see last frost date. In a sunny garden, in a warm area, in a good summer, you might succeed. I recommend you divide your plants and grow half outside and half in the GH. I think I'll probably only try two of each type of tomato outside, and maybe one or two cucumbers. I'll contrast them with the GH ones, mostly to plan next year's growing schedule. Hopefully we'll be ready for anything by then! Got a bit of a late start this year. Even in summer, you'll find west Scotland considerably windier than darnsarth, and the prevailing wind is SW..bear that in mind for your wall-cordons. wall-cordons? what they then? Better have a quick google. Not come across those before - told you I was a beginner. Thanks for all the advice though Janet, it's *really* welcomed! Tim |
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Subject: Now we live 'up North'.....
From: Tim Nicholson Date: 05/05/2004 19:23 GMT Daylight Time Message-id: Irvine valley - just east of Kilmarnock, so 'reasonably' mild I'm assured by other urglers! (I wonder what 'unreasonably' mild feels like) Trust me, you do not want to know. If curiosity overwhelms you I suggest a walk across the fenwick moors, or a nice day trip to Dalry. With the first frost of winter arriving on June 8th, that doen't leave a very long growing season - June 5th it is then....is that folklore, a metoffice 'best guess' or phenological observation? I would agree with that, certainly my grandfather would never put tender plants outside until 1st week of June. -- Rhiannon http://www.livejournal.com/users/rhiannon_s/ "The trick is to commit crimes so confusing that police feel too stupid to even write a crime report about them." Aubrey on remaining at liberty www.somethingpositive.net |
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from Tim Nicholson contains these words: On Tue, 4 May 2004 21:08:29 +0100, Janet Baraclough.. wrote: Which bit of Ayrshire? Coastal fringe is milder than inland. Irvine valley - just east of Kilmarnock, so 'reasonably' mild I'm assured by other urglers! (I wonder what 'unreasonably' mild feels like) You'll soon find out, Scottish July is full of unreasonable weather. Chillies peppers and melons are strictly for the GH. Garlic is hardy and will be fine outide. Courgettes need to be hardened off, and planted outside after the last frost date. If you are well inland, I wouldn't plant them out till June 5th. With the first frost of winter arriving on June 8th, that doen't leave a very long growing season Exactly, that's why I think you'll find the GH better for toms.Ist September is the earliest first frost in my records btw - June 5th it is then....is that folklore, a metoffice 'best guess' or phenological observation? It's based on 20-yr records of first and last frosts in my Stirlingshire garden, (higher and colder than where you are) but is also the common date mentioned by other Northern urglers. (snip) wall-cordons? what they then? Better have a quick google. Not come across those before - told you I was a beginner. It's those wires you're planning up your pebbledash wall :-) Janet |
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On Wed, 5 May 2004 22:46:44 +0100, Janet Baraclough..
wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2004 21:08:29 +0100, Janet Baraclough.. wrote: Which bit of Ayrshire? Coastal fringe is milder than inland. Irvine valley - just east of Kilmarnock, so 'reasonably' mild I'm assured by other urglers! (I wonder what 'unreasonably' mild feels like) You'll soon find out, Scottish July is full of unreasonable weather. Chillies peppers and melons are strictly for the GH. Garlic is hardy and will be fine outide. Courgettes need to be hardened off, and planted outside after the last frost date. If you are well inland, I wouldn't plant them out till June 5th. With the first frost of winter arriving on June 8th, that doen't leave a very long growing season Exactly, that's why I think you'll find the GH better for toms.Ist September is the earliest first frost in my records btw - June 5th it is then....is that folklore, a metoffice 'best guess' or phenological observation? It's based on 20-yr records of first and last frosts in my Stirlingshire garden, (higher and colder than where you are) but is also the common date mentioned by other Northern urglers. (snip) |
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