"Just Molly" wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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Oh. I specially use rainwater for new seedlings, to spare than
the
chemical contents of our tapwater.
:~}

In spite of the fact that rainwater is often highly acid?

Please provide data about this. Specifically how much by
percentage, acid
is in rainwater.

I used to keep tropical fish. In accordance with the received wisdom
in that community, I kept a plastic barrel for collecting rainwater
for my fish (as well as for garden purposes). I developed troubles
with my fish and was advised to keep tabs on the acidity of the
rainwater I was using. I started to keep a log of it. It hovered
between pH 4 and pH 5.5. I have no idea of how well it was buffered
at those pH values.

You should read all about acid rain.

Franz

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"Just Molly" wrote in message
news

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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Oh. I specially use rainwater for new seedlings, to spare than
the
chemical contents of our tapwater.
:~}

In spite of the fact that rainwater is often highly acid?

Please provide data about this. Specifically how much by
percentage, acid
is in rainwater.

I used to keep tropical fish. In accordance with the received wisdom
in that community, I kept a plastic barrel for collecting rainwater
for my fish (as well as for garden purposes). I developed troubles
with my fish and was advised to keep tabs on the acidity of the
rainwater I was using. I started to keep a log of it. It hovered
between pH 4 and pH 5.5. I have no idea of how well it was buffered
at those pH values.
How do you know it wasn't something leaching out from the plastic?

You should read all about acid rain.
I have heard about acid rain but no real data as to the percentages and
what parts of the world it is bad in.
I cannot imagine plants being harmed as much as live fish who are after all
fairly specific about their needs .By your theory, since plants do well if
watered with nettle soup, fish should thrive if it is added to they water!

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"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in
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I don't
use collected rainwater for seedlings in the greenhouse, too many
fungal spores etc in it.

Oh. I specially use rainwater for new seedlings, to spare than the
chemical contents of our tapwater.
:~}

In spite of the fact that rainwater is often highly acid?

Anything our rain acquired over the Atlantic, is preferable to the
levels of added chlorine and in our limestone tap water.

Janet, Isle of Arran.

"Just Molly" wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"Just Molly" wrote in message
news

"Franz Heymann" wrote in
message
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Oh. I specially use rainwater for new seedlings, to spare
than
the
chemical contents of our tapwater.
:~}

In spite of the fact that rainwater is often highly acid?

Please provide data about this. Specifically how much by
percentage, acid
is in rainwater.

I used to keep tropical fish. In accordance with the received
wisdom
in that community, I kept a plastic barrel for collecting
rainwater
for my fish (as well as for garden purposes). I developed
troubles
with my fish and was advised to keep tabs on the acidity of the
rainwater I was using. I started to keep a log of it. It hovered
between pH 4 and pH 5.5. I have no idea of how well it was
buffered
at those pH values.
How do you know it wasn't something leaching out from the plastic?

You should read all about acid rain.
I have heard about acid rain but no real data as to the percentages
and
what parts of the world it is bad in.
I cannot imagine plants being harmed as much as live fish who are
after all
fairly specific about their needs .By your theory, since plants do
well if
watered with nettle soup, fish should thrive if it is added to they
water!

I think you misunderstood me totally. I only mentioned fish to give
you an indication of why I did systematic tests on my rainwater.
I only mentioned the high acidity which the rainwater sometimes
acquired to let you know that rainwater is not necessasrily more
desirable than tap water.
I used to get test reports on request from my water supplier about the
composition of the water, and there was never anything in the test
results which made me worry about using tap water for personal
drinking, washing, garden watering and replenishing my fish tanks.

Franz

"Robert" wrote in message
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"Amber Ormerod" wrote in message
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: I have had either dead slugs (hurrah) or rotting bits of tree go down
the
: pipe into the waterbutt. I just emptied it and have cut back the tree
and
am
: going to put a filter on the pipe and seal it better but wasn't sure
what
to
: clean it with that wouldn't require hours and hours of rinsing. I have
: already scrubbed it but it smells a bit still. Is smelling water ok for
: plants (not seedlings)?
:
It's ok for outdoors but you'd need to be careful if you used it in the
greenhouse. Not sure I would trust jeyes fluid as plants don't like it, a
good rinse would be needed. I think you can use potassium permanganate to
keep it clear if required



I have just got some PP from the chemist and wanted to check as the packet
had the following:
Very toxix to aquatic organisms. may cause long term adverse effects on the
aquatic environment. avoid release to environment.
I did find this on searching about treatment rates:
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA032

Do I need to rinse afterwards?

"Amber Ormerod" wrote in message
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: "Robert" wrote in message
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: "Amber Ormerod" wrote in message
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: : I have had either dead slugs (hurrah) or rotting bits of tree go down
: the
: : pipe into the waterbutt. I just emptied it and have cut back the tree
: and
: am
: : going to put a filter on the pipe and seal it better but wasn't sure
: what
: to
: : clean it with that wouldn't require hours and hours of rinsing. I have
: : already scrubbed it but it smells a bit still. Is smelling water ok
for
: : plants (not seedlings)?
: :
: It's ok for outdoors but you'd need to be careful if you used it in the
: greenhouse. Not sure I would trust jeyes fluid as plants don't like it,
a
: good rinse would be needed. I think you can use potassium permanganate
to
: keep it clear if required
:
:
:
: I have just got some PP from the chemist and wanted to check as the packet
: had the following:
: Very toxix to aquatic organisms. may cause long term adverse effects on
the
: aquatic environment. avoid release to environment.
: I did find this on searching about treatment rates:
: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA032
:
: Do I need to rinse afterwards?

ha! sounds like it but it was suggested on GQT so can't be all that bad

"Robert" wrote in message
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"Amber Ormerod" wrote in message
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: "Robert" wrote in message
: ...
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: "Amber Ormerod" wrote in message
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: : I have had either dead slugs (hurrah) or rotting bits of tree go
down
: the
: : pipe into the waterbutt. I just emptied it and have cut back the
tree
: and
: am
: : going to put a filter on the pipe and seal it better but wasn't sure
: what
: to
: : clean it with that wouldn't require hours and hours of rinsing. I
have
: : already scrubbed it but it smells a bit still. Is smelling water ok
for
: : plants (not seedlings)?
: :
: It's ok for outdoors but you'd need to be careful if you used it in
the
: greenhouse. Not sure I would trust jeyes fluid as plants don't like
it,
a
: good rinse would be needed. I think you can use potassium
permanganate
to
: keep it clear if required
:
:
:
: I have just got some PP from the chemist and wanted to check as the
packet
: had the following:
: Very toxix to aquatic organisms. may cause long term adverse effects on
the
: aquatic environment. avoid release to environment.
: I did find this on searching about treatment rates:
: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA032
:
: Do I need to rinse afterwards?

ha! sounds like it but it was suggested on GQT so can't be all that bad



GQT?

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: "Robert" wrote in message
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::: "Robert" wrote in message
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:::: "Amber Ormerod" wrote in message
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::::: I have had either dead slugs (hurrah) or rotting bits of tree go
::::: down the pipe into the waterbutt. I just emptied it and have cut
::::: back the
: tree
::: and
:::: am
::::: going to put a filter on the pipe and seal it better but wasn't
::::: sure what to clean it with that wouldn't require hours and hours
::::: of rinsing. I have already scrubbed it but it smells a bit still.
::::: Is smelling water ok for plants (not seedlings)?
:::::
:::: It's ok for outdoors but you'd need to be careful if you used it
:::: in the greenhouse. Not sure I would trust jeyes fluid as plants
:::: don't like it, a good rinse would be needed. I think you can use
:::: potassium permanganate to keep it clear if required
::::
::::
:::
::: I have just got some PP from the chemist and wanted to check as the
::: packet had the following:
::: Very toxix to aquatic organisms. may cause long term adverse
::: effects on the aquatic environment. avoid release to environment.
::: I did find this on searching about treatment rates:
::: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA032
:::
::: Do I need to rinse afterwards?
::
:: ha! sounds like it but it was suggested on GQT so can't be all that
:: bad
::
::
:
: GQT?

Gardeners' Question Time on radio 4

"Robert" wrote in message
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::
:: ha! sounds like it but it was suggested on GQT so can't be all that
:: bad
::
::
:
: GQT?

Don't you have to be a certain age before you can listen to radio 4?
tongue in cheek

"Robert" wrote in message
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Amber Ormerod wrote:
: "Robert" wrote in message
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:: "Amber Ormerod" wrote in message
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::: "Robert" wrote in message
::: ...
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:::: "Amber Ormerod" wrote in message
:::: ...
::::: I have had either dead slugs (hurrah) or rotting bits of tree go
::::: down the pipe into the waterbutt. I just emptied it and have cut
::::: back the
: tree
::: and
:::: am
::::: going to put a filter on the pipe and seal it better but wasn't
::::: sure what to clean it with that wouldn't require hours and hours
::::: of rinsing. I have already scrubbed it but it smells a bit still.
::::: Is smelling water ok for plants (not seedlings)?
:::::
:::: It's ok for outdoors but you'd need to be careful if you used it
:::: in the greenhouse. Not sure I would trust jeyes fluid as plants
:::: don't like it, a good rinse would be needed. I think you can use
:::: potassium permanganate to keep it clear if required
::::
::::
:::
::: I have just got some PP from the chemist and wanted to check as the
::: packet had the following:
::: Very toxix to aquatic organisms. may cause long term adverse
::: effects on the aquatic environment. avoid release to environment.
::: I did find this on searching about treatment rates:
::: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA032
:::
::: Do I need to rinse afterwards?
::
:: ha! sounds like it but it was suggested on GQT so can't be all that
:: bad
::
::
:
: GQT?

Gardeners' Question Time on radio 4



yes but they slagged off decking so you cannot always trust them ;-)

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GQT?

Gardeners' Question Time. It's a time-saving abbreviation; just like
editing quoted posts when replying to them.

Your post could be an urg record; three screens of repeats to scroll
through, for a three letter comment! Many here will just close your post
unread when they see a screen of repeats with no new message.

It's to everyone's advantage, particularly your own, to
edit/reduce/trim posts you are replying to. The weekly abcfornewcomers
post explains what to leave in and what to leave out.

HTH

Janet

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
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most people just seem to ignore my posts anyhow so it makes no difference.
i did try at many points doing what u said but sometimes don't cos on days
my dyslexia is all screwy with the understanding. I read the FAQS and they
are forgotten before my next posting. If you wish i could put a beware spaz
warning on the top of my posts, ohhh sorry we are not allowed to top post
are we? I forget
someone already answered what GQT ment so having to read the answer twice is
anoying too. Personally I prefer top posting cos its quicker for me to read
in OE, but there you go.


thanks
I am a spaz btw

The message
from "Beware I am a spaz." , also posting as AMBER ORMEROD,
contains these words:

most people just seem to ignore my posts anyhow so it makes no difference.

My newsreader shows there were plenty of helpful answers to your
questions. It is normal to receive replies from *some* people; not from
"most".

If you wish i could put a beware spaz
warning on the top of my posts, ohhh sorry we are not allowed to top post
are we?

How you post is entirely up to you. Any poster can ignore anything they
find tiresome.

I forget
someone already answered what GQT ment so having to read the answer twice is
anoying too.

I'm sorry to have inconvenienced you in that way, it won't happen again.

Janet

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
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The message
from "Beware I am a spaz." , also posting as AMBER
ORMEROD,
contains these words:

most people just seem to ignore my posts anyhow so it makes no
difference.

My newsreader shows there were plenty of helpful answers to your
questions. It is normal to receive replies from *some* people; not from
"most".


I didn't say that.
I have asked quite a few questions with no answers at all.

If you wish i could put a beware spaz
warning on the top of my posts, ohhh sorry we are not allowed to top
post
are we?

How you post is entirely up to you. Any poster can ignore anything they
find tiresome.


so why not just ignore badly edited messages?

I forget
someone already answered what GQT ment so having to read the answer
twice is
anoying too.

I'm sorry to have inconvenienced you in that way, it won't happen again.


I just don't see why it matters
there are tops posters or non editors all over the place why does it matter?
its bad enough in this group with all the cat haters to not start on the
crap editors too.

In article , Amber Ormerod
writes

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
.. .
The message
from "Beware I am a spaz." , also posting as AMBER
ORMEROD,
contains these words:

most people just seem to ignore my posts anyhow so it makes no
difference.

My newsreader shows there were plenty of helpful answers to your
questions. It is normal to receive replies from *some* people; not from
"most".


I didn't say that.
I have asked quite a few questions with no answers at all.

That happens. I doubt whether it's personal. I don't answer questions if
I don't know the answer, and I sometimes don't answer questions if I've
seen them so many times I've got bored with them, and sometimes I don't
answer questions because I'm not in the mood. I expect other people are
the same.

How you post is entirely up to you. Any poster can ignore anything they
find tiresome.


so why not just ignore badly edited messages?

I have always worked on the basis that most people who post here do so
because they want their posts to be read and answered, and that if they
post in a way that conforms with the conventions of the group they are
more likely to have their posts read by more people, and if they don't
know the conventions of the group, it is a little unfair simply to kill
file them.


--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"