Does anybody know where I can purchase a Black Raspberry Bush, I am in NW England ?...thanks.

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Does anybody know where I can purchase a Black Raspberry Bush, I am in
NW England ?...thanks.

A loganberry is a cross between raspberry and a blackberry of US stock.
Named after Judge Logan who found one growing in the wild. The fruits
are bright red.

A Tayberry is also a cross between a raspberry and a blackberry, but of
Scottish Tayside stock. The fruits are a bit like a loganberry, but
smaller and darker, though they are more purple than black.

Other raspberry based crosses a

Boysenberry - loganberry, raspberry and blackberry cross
Veitchberry - raspberry and wild blackberry (bramble) cross
Tummelberry - tayberry crossed with tayberry seedling - for cold areas

Your best bet is probably to grow straight blackberries.
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.

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| Does anybody know where I can purchase a Black Raspberry Bush, I am in
| NW England ?...thanks.
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| A loganberry is a cross
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| A Tayberry is also a cross
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| Other raspberry based crosses a snip
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Your best bet is probably to grow straight blackberries.

Look up this site for information on "true" black rspberries:
http://doityourself.com/fruits/blackcapbrambles.htm I had grown 'Bristol'
myself once.

Regarde, Barbara.

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Your best bet is probably to grow straight blackberries.

Look up this site for information on "true" black rspberries:
http://doityourself.com/fruits/blackcapbrambles.htm I had grown 'Bristol'
myself once.

This was interesting, so I did a short prowl on the net. What struck
me, apart from its apparent proneness to disease, was that although
everybody including a dictionary was calling _Rubus occidentalis_ a
'raspberry' it seemed in nearly all respects to be more a blackberry
than a raspberry, even down to a tip-rooting habit. The berries come
off hollow like raspberries; hence, I suppose, the alternative name
'thimbleberry'.

Could you who know the plant -- I don't think I'd ever heard of it
before -- explain, please?

Mike.

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| Look up this site for information on "true" black rspberries:
| http://doityourself.com/fruits/blackcapbrambles.htm I had grown
'Bristol'
| myself once.
|
| This was interesting, so I did a short prowl on the net. What struck
| me, apart from its apparent proneness to disease, was that although
| everybody including a dictionary was calling _Rubus occidentalis_ a
| 'raspberry' it seemed in nearly all respects to be more a blackberry
| than a raspberry, even down to a tip-rooting habit.
|
| Could you who know the plant -- I don't think I'd ever heard of it
| before -- explain, please?

In fact I had got rid of the plant rather quickly. The stems were weedy and
untidy (OK, I can live with this, but the amount of stalking needed was much
greater than in case of "standard" raspberries or blackberries), arching,
awfully long - four meters easily, not the plant for my small garden.
However, what turned the scales was the plant's unhealthiness - the mildew
seemed to be ever-present no matter what I did and how much I sprayed. And
since I had at that time experimented with thornless blackberries, purple
raspberries, yellow-fruited raspberries and tayberries I simply threw the
unlucky plant away. The fruit was not worth the trouble. No regrets:-)
If I remember rightly, the name of "raspberry" is given to those Rubus
plants, where the fruit can be pulled off the plant without the "bottom",
while blackberries are gathered with the fruit well filled in.

Regards, B.

Alan Gould wrote:
: In article , culle64 culle64.19
: writes
:
: Does anybody know where I can purchase a Black Raspberry Bush, I am in
: NW England ?...thanks.
:
: A loganberry is a cross between raspberry and a blackberry of US stock.
: Named after Judge Logan who found one growing in the wild. The fruits
: are bright red.

: A Tayberry is also a cross between a raspberry and a blackberry, but of
: Scottish Tayside stock. The fruits are a bit like a loganberry, but
: smaller and darker, though they are more purple than black.

: Other raspberry based crosses a

: Boysenberry - loganberry, raspberry and blackberry cross
: Veitchberry - raspberry and wild blackberry (bramble) cross
: Tummelberry - tayberry crossed with tayberry seedling - for cold areas

: Your best bet is probably to grow straight blackberries.

There are black raspberries.

A friend from the Czech republic sent me some seed and I managed to grow
some for 3/4 years before they died a deseased death - I was warned they
were very susceptible.

The canes had a bluish tinge. In first year they grew up as a single cane
and in second year they threw out strong/long side shoots that bore the
fruit.

The berries came off the hull cleanly when picked (hence in my book a
"raspberry"). The fruit I had was dry.

My friend didn't believe these were of american origin - from the googling
I've done, I think they were.

Anyway not a good experiment - but for 2 years I had yellow,
orange, red, maroon and black raspberries - which was fun.

Jim