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Garden mess leads to jail
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Anyone here? (let us know in 4 months)! -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
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Cant say I blame the poor neighbours
"Tumbleweed" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2626535.stm Anyone here? (let us know in 4 months)! -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
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"Tumbleweed" wrote in message ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2626535.stm Anyone here? (let us know in 4 months)! A bit of a waste, yes. But probably not nearly so annoying as neighbours can be. I bet people never get this, for example, for spraying chemicals around like mad, even when they happen to stop a fence from being put up too (a combination which must occur sometimes). Warwick Dumas www.members.tripod.com/ecuqe "If Adolf Hitler were here today, they'd send a limousine anyway." - the late Joe Strummer |
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People *do* get prosecuted for incorrect spraying of chemicals, as the
farmer who farms the field next to me is finding out!! 3 times I've asked him not to allow the drift to come onto my land (we have sheep and horses grazing), so by the 4th time I'd had enough. The HSE have taken it up and it's going to Magistrates Court soon. Of course I doubt this will carry a sentence, which is not what I would want anyway. More likely he'll be heavily fined, as during their investigation they found a catalogue of non-compliance. Warwick Michael Dumas wrote: "Tumbleweed" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2626535.stm Anyone here? (let us know in 4 months)! A bit of a waste, yes. But probably not nearly so annoying as neighbours can be. I bet people never get this, for example, for spraying chemicals around like mad, even when they happen to stop a fence from being put up too (a combination which must occur sometimes). Warwick Dumas www.members.tripod.com/ecuqe "If Adolf Hitler were here today, they'd send a limousine anyway." - the late Joe Strummer |
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If the same action could be taken for littering my land with 3 ton of
rubbish cuttings my neighbours tatty conifers produce it would be lovely but it seems inconsiderate neighbours can do things like that with impunity "." wrote in message ... People *do* get prosecuted for incorrect spraying of chemicals, as the farmer who farms the field next to me is finding out!! 3 times I've asked him not to allow the drift to come onto my land (we have sheep and horses grazing), so by the 4th time I'd had enough. The HSE have taken it up and it's going to Magistrates Court soon. Of course I doubt this will carry a sentence, which is not what I would want anyway. More likely he'll be heavily fined, as during their investigation they found a catalogue of non-compliance. Warwick Michael Dumas wrote: "Tumbleweed" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2626535.stm Anyone here? (let us know in 4 months)! A bit of a waste, yes. But probably not nearly so annoying as neighbours can be. I bet people never get this, for example, for spraying chemicals around like mad, even when they happen to stop a fence from being put up too (a combination which must occur sometimes). Warwick Dumas www.members.tripod.com/ecuqe "If Adolf Hitler were here today, they'd send a limousine anyway." - the late Joe Strummer |
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Tumbleweed wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2626535.stm Anyone here? (let us know in 4 months)! No one that posts under their real name anyway!-) // J |
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from "bnd777" contains these words: "Tumbleweed" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2626535.stm Anyone here? (let us know in 4 months)! Cant say I blame the poor neighbours I think it's utterly disgraceful, that *anyone* should seek to impose their idea of a "perfect" garden on somebody else! Okay, I can sympathise with the neighbours, but that still doesn't give anyone the right to dictate what someone else does with their own garden! Wouldn't it be _so_ boring, if everyone thought alike, or was prepared to dictate what _everyone's_ idea of perfection should be? -- Anne ICQ #:- 119531282 |
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In message , Anne Jackson
writes The message from "bnd777" contains these words: "Tumbleweed" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2626535.stm Anyone here? (let us know in 4 months)! Cant say I blame the poor neighbours I think it's utterly disgraceful, that *anyone* should seek to impose their idea of a "perfect" garden on somebody else! I agree, I don't think that's what this is about. Okay, I can sympathise with the neighbours, but that still doesn't give anyone the right to dictate what someone else does with their own garden! I suspect it wasn't just a case of it just being a bit untidy. Depending on what had been collected./stored/dumped in the garden, it may well have been , an environmental or health hazard, not just an eyesore. I suspect it would have to have been pretty extreme for this case to have succeeded. But it's hard to tell from these sort of news stories. -- Chris French and Helen Johnson, Leeds urg Suppliers and References FAQ: http://www.familyfrench.co.uk/garden/urgfaq/index.html |
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"Anne Jackson" wrote I think it's utterly disgraceful, that *anyone* should seek to impose their idea of a "perfect" garden on somebody else! Okay, I can sympathise with the neighbours, but that still doesn't give anyone the right to dictate what someone else does with their own garden! Wouldn't it be _so_ boring, if everyone thought alike, or was prepared to dictate what _everyone's_ idea of perfection should be? Anne This thread has triggered a discussion in our household about the rights people have to do as they wish with their own plot.... The garden of the house opposite ours at the end of our cul-de-sac is very messy. The side garden is full of stinging nettles 2 metres high. There are various odds and ends of things strewn all over the garden and (small) driveway. We are talking things like old cable drums as garden table, broken deckchairs (still out there now!), dead houseplants in their pots, broken toys, old flower pots, three years dead Christmas trees etc etc etc.......... The lady who lives there is, as you may have gathered, somewhat of an eccentric ! She does not seem to see the junk, but does complain about the stinging nettles being so high, as they are a nuisance when she gets the grandchildren out of the car (she is babysitter while her daughter is at work). She did get them chopped down last year but was very put out when they grew back. She seems to think that maintenance is not required !!!! She took me to task once about weeding of dandelions from my front garden, "They are so pretty, why are you digging them up?", my reply was that "Yes they are a nice colour but if I don't get rid of them that's all I'll have in the garden. Besides you have more than enough of your own.............." She did not take the hint !! I don't really have a problem with the mess, as I do feel that everyone should be able to live as they see fit, BUT we already have visitors asking us about the junk yard opposite..........What about is we ever want to sell the house ???? Not that we do, as yet, want to move, but we will one day. Should I offer to help her out with the stinging nettles and in the process cautiously have a clear up ?? Any other ideas about how to tackle the situation ?? Jenny |
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This thread has triggered a discussion in our household about the rights people have to do as they wish with their own plot.... The garden of the house opposite ours at the end of our cul-de-sac is very messy. The side garden is full of stinging nettles 2 metres high. There are various odds and ends of things strewn all over the garden and (small) driveway. We are talking things like old cable drums as garden table, broken deckchairs (still out there now!), dead houseplants in their pots, broken toys, old flower pots, three years dead Christmas trees etc etc etc.......... The lady who lives there is, as you may have gathered, somewhat of an eccentric ! She does not seem to see the junk, but does complain about the stinging nettles being so high, as they are a nuisance when she gets the grandchildren out of the car (she is babysitter while her daughter is at work). She did get them chopped down last year but was very put out when they grew back. She seems to think that maintenance is not required !!!! She took me to task once about weeding of dandelions from my front garden, "They are so pretty, why are you digging them up?", my reply was that "Yes they are a nice colour but if I don't get rid of them that's all I'll have in the garden. Besides you have more than enough of your own.............." She did not take the hint !! I don't really have a problem with the mess, as I do feel that everyone should be able to live as they see fit, BUT we already have visitors asking us about the junk yard opposite..........What about is we ever want to sell the house ???? Not that we do, as yet, want to move, but we will one day. Should I offer to help her out with the stinging nettles and in the process cautiously have a clear up ?? Any other ideas about how to tackle the situation ?? Jenny Jenny...if she was surprised and put out that the stinging nettles grew back maybe she would welcome some help (and it would be a very neighbourly thing to offer to do) but I wouldn't get rid of anything else without her permission. We had a very eccentric old Polish man living round the corner to us who collected rubbish; stored it both inside and outside his very large house. This was such a problem that they made a television programme about him. The council cleared all the rubbish from his garden and as soon as they finished he started collecting again. He died last year... Natalie |
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Natalie wrote:
We had a very eccentric old Polish man living round the corner to us who collected rubbish; stored it both inside and outside his very large house. This was such a problem that they made a television programme about him. The council cleared all the rubbish from his garden and as soon as they finished he started collecting again. He died last year... I watched every programme featuring that poor man, including the recent one after his death. I felt his biggest 'problem', if you can call it that, was not his garden but his mental health problems and yet no one took that into account (that was certainly the impression given by the programmes although it could of course have been different in reality). The council's attempt at getting him to clear his rubbish was as dictotorial as the Germans had been to him during the war. The collecting of rubbish and other things was an subconscious attempt to regain control of his life and retain things rather than have them forcibly taken away. Rather than help this poor man they actually made his troubles worse. Rather than eccentric, a better description of this man would be mentally ill. Of course, I don't doubt that his habits caused problems for his neighbours and I wouldn't want to live near it either but it's just a shame that people didn't see the man amongst the rubbish. Jaqy |
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"Natalie" wrote in message ... This thread has triggered a discussion in our household about the rights people have to do as they wish with their own plot.... We had a very eccentric old Polish man living round the corner to us who collected rubbish; stored it both inside and outside his very large house. This was such a problem that they made a television programme about him. The council cleared all the rubbish from his garden and as soon as they finished he started collecting again. He died last year... Natalie I saw that on TV - it was indeed far worse than our neighbour :~)) Jenny |
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" I watched every programme featuring that poor man, including the recent one after his death. I felt his biggest 'problem', if you can call it that, was not his garden but his mental health problems and yet no one took that into account (that was certainly the impression given by the programmes although it could of course have been different in reality). The council's attempt at getting him to clear his rubbish was as dictotorial as the Germans had been to him during the war. The collecting of rubbish and other things was an subconscious attempt to regain control of his life and retain things rather than have them forcibly taken away. Rather than help this poor man they actually made his troubles worse. Rather than eccentric, a better description of this man would be mentally ill. Of course, I don't doubt that his habits caused problems for his neighbours and I wouldn't want to live near it either but it's just a shame that people didn't see the man amongst the rubbish. People did try to help Mr Trebus. Nobody was able to get through to him. If you recall in the last programme, there was one man who had taken it upon himself to help Mr Trebus but even he gave up. His neighbours were extremely tolerant considering the health hazard. Natalie |
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Natalie wrote:
People did try to help Mr Trebus. Nobody was able to get through to him. If you recall in the last programme, there was one man who had taken it upon himself to help Mr Trebus but even he gave up. That man was a self-styled entrepreneur, if I remember right, and was certainly not a mental health professional. His neighbours were extremely tolerant considering the health hazard. Oh absolutely! I have no doubt that it was a terrific hazard and the smell must have been awful but the people sent to deal with it were only ever going to clear the effects, not the cause. Jaqy |
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writes People *do* get prosecuted for incorrect spraying of chemicals, as the farmer who farms the field next to me is finding out!! 3 times I've asked him not to allow the drift to come onto my land (we have sheep and horses grazing), so by the 4th time I'd had enough. The HSE have taken it up and it's going to Magistrates Court soon. Of course I doubt this will carry a sentence, which is not what I would want anyway. More likely he'll be heavily fined, as during their investigation they found a catalogue of non-compliance. You've done better than us then, when I finally tracked down the correct department in the council they sent out someone from the Parks department who looked at our brown hedge, and told me that glyphosphate wasn't a systemic weedkiller and as the wood was green under the bark it would all grow back. Of course it didn't, and as we have no idea who farms the land (probably some overseas multinational) we have no way of taking it further. Jon -- Jon Rouse |
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