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OT Was Ricinus South Wales Evening post. Oh dear
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... | | Oh without a doubt. The example I usually make about the Terrorism Act | is it makes owning a London A-Z illegal. For those who doubt me read the | act! | | I just have done on line and cannot identify the section to which you | refer - could you supply a page/section reference? | | The site I used was: http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00011--b.htm#1 Section 58. I was referring to section 57. Note that "a reasonable suspicion" in English law is a VERY much weaker criterion than even the balance of probabilities used in civil law, and is essentially the criterion used for when you cannot sue the police for false arrest. For example, posting a query or doing a Web search on how to extract ricin and then refusing to submit to interrogation, could be regarded as being "circumstances which give rise to a reasonable suspicion". Section 58 is even worse, in that all the prosecution has to prove is that the information is "likely to be useful" - e.g. an A-Z. You then have to prove a reasonable excuse for the action or possession, which has the "gotcha" that it might not include the planning of lesser crimes or even civil offences - e.g. arranging demonstrations. And you would have to PROVE even that. But to fall foul of SS's 57/58 57. - (1) A person commits an offence if he possesses an article in circumstances which give rise to a reasonable suspicion that his possession is for a purpose connected with the commission, preparation or instigation of an act of terrorism. (2) It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that his possession of the article was not for a purpose connected with the commission, preparation or instigation of an act of terrorism. 58. - (1) A person commits an offence if- (a) he collects or makes a record of information of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, or (b) he possesses a document or record containing information of that kind the criteria of S1 must be met: 1. - (1) In this Act "terrorism" means the use or threat of action where- (a) the action falls within subsection (2), (b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and (c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause. (2) Action falls within this subsection if it- (a) involves serious violence against a person, (b) involves serious damage to property, (c) endangers a person's life, other than that of the person committing the action, (d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or (e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system. (3) The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied. ==== Simple possession per se of an A-Z in no way matches the criterion. I am safe to stand outside Downing Street A-Z in hand! Mark an A-Z with the route the PM will take to a Public engagement and quite reasonably I have some questions to answer. Ditto the ridiculous suggestion about growing the types of plants mentioned. pk |
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