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neB (gnitsop-pot llits) [...] .posting-top love just I .distinctions making of capable are us of some but ,thread this for hope little There's .preservation total meant "respect" said Nobody .argument of level juvenile this with time our waste Don't (.posterese-top perfect into this all translate couldn't I Sorry) -- .ekiM. "Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Ben Clay wrote: This land in which we live did not become the way it is by treating everything in it with respect. If we left every living thing to its own devices we'd be living in a forest and you, dear batgirl, would have nowhere to live. Ben (on a top posting mission) |
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batgirl wrote:
I think you are the verminous one. How utterly vile. What are the creatures doing to deserve death? What kind of a world do we live in where we blast something we don't like into smithereens? You are the keeper of a small part of this beautiful earth, please treat everything in it with respect. but clare, we DO like them! they are very tasty, blasting them to smithereens would make them inedible so we don't do it (and air weapons must have come on a long way if they are capable of it anyway). Do grow up, there's a good girl. |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
I believe you are correct - you have to be able to show that you've tried to discourage them until you're at your wit's end, now you come to mention it. quite incorrect. general licence to shoot any time of year as an agricultural pest. health hazzaed irrrelevant. you don't personally have to show that you've tried everything else: everything else has been tried - and failed - for very many years. The local Head Keeper was commenting on this quite recently. typical 'they are all out to get us' mentality and quite untrue (and I'm an active beater and game-shot) |
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"Derek Turner" somewhat@odds wrote in message ... batgirl wrote: I think you are the verminous one. How utterly vile. What are the creatures doing to deserve death? What kind of a world do we live in where we blast something we don't like into smithereens? You are the keeper of a small part of this beautiful earth, please treat everything in it with respect. but clare, we DO like them! they are very tasty, blasting them to smithereens would make them inedible so we don't do it (and air weapons must have come on a long way if they are capable of it anyway). Do grow up, there's a good girl. My .177 pellet air gun does a fine job at 1000feet per second velocity.....takes down rabbits, squirrels etc. with ease....wonder if I am playing fair using the telescopic sights...,,,I feed 'em to the coyotes.....HW |
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Pam Moore wrote:
What actually was the charge recently which put that Headmistress in prison for 5 months (or however long it was) for using an air rifle in the street because they were threatening her? She fired some shots from a CO2 gas-charged air pistol into the pavement, and told the police that she had an air rifle too. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/ma.../04/ngun04.xml She was convicted of Affrey, and later "possessing a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...09/nwalk09.xml She has been granted a conditional discharge and is no longer in prison; however, her convictions stand, as IMO they should. |
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I agree with Clare entirely. There is absolutely no need to shoot squirrels and wood pigeons for the sake of garden plants. I'm not a tree-hugging, knit your own muesli, animal activist - but I think you need to get a sense of perspective here. Zoe |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message from (Steve Harris) contains these words: In article , (Clive in Kent) wrote: Need to get rid of (permanently!) 2 big, fat, greedy wood pigeons and a verminous grey squirrel out of my garden. AIUI and IANAL killing the squirrel is legal (subject to restrictions on gun usage this thread) The pigeons are another matter being wild birds. ISTR that they have to be a public health hazard and you have to drive the bureaucracy correctly. I believe you are correct - you have to be able to show that you've tried to discourage them until you're at your wit's end, now you come to mention it. This is a likely an unintentional effect of legislation. Current thinking goes that over time, all deterrent methods have been shown to be ineffective, and the only thing that dows work is to shoot them and put them in pies^W^W^W^W^W. |
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"shazzbat" wrote in message ... "BAC" wrote in message ... "Pam Moore" wrote in message ... What actually was the charge recently which put that Headmistress in prison for 5 months (or however long it was) for using an air rifle in the street because they were threatening her? It was something along the lines of possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence. And affray, too. Is an air rifle classified as a firearm? I believe it must be, in order for the lady to have been convicted of that charge. I also understand the same law applies to replica firearms, or even plastic toys used to threaten people. |
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 01:55:00 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: I believe you are correct - you have to be able to show that you've tried to discourage them until you're at your wit's end, now you come to mention it. I understood that current guidelines were that you should be able to show that shooting was necessary and other measures were not effective, which is not the same as showing that you have tried all other measures. You don't have to try trapping first just to be able to argue that trapping is nonselective. Usual provisos apply - i.e. without looking up a reference I may of course be wrong. JB |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message k... The message from Jupiter contains these words: Assuming he meant The Netherlands and not East Anglia? Is Lincolnshire (Lindsey, Kesteven and Holland) in East Anglia? Dunno, but there's a Holland in Essex, between Clacton and Frinton. Next question, is all of Essex classed as East Anglia? |
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shazzbat wrote:
"BAC" wrote in message ... "Pam Moore" wrote in message ... What actually was the charge recently which put that Headmistress in prison for 5 months (or however long it was) for using an air rifle in the street because they were threatening her? It was something along the lines of possession of a firearm with intent to cause fear of violence. And affray, too. Is an air rifle classified as a firearm? Possibly for recording crimes. After all, think how hard a policeman looks in a report if he apprehended three criminals with a firearm, when in reality it was three ten year olds with a thirty year old air pistol. In reality, the only air rifles you need a firearms certificate for are those with a power rating of greater than 12 ft/pounds. -- Fortune's Fictitious Country Song Title of the Week: "How Can I Miss You if You Won't Go Away?" |
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BAC wrote:
"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message k... The message from Jupiter contains these words: Assuming he meant The Netherlands and not East Anglia? Is Lincolnshire (Lindsey, Kesteven and Holland) in East Anglia? Dunno, but there's a Holland in Essex, between Clacton and Frinton. Next question, is all of Essex classed as East Anglia? I think it was historically. Parts of it are now part of Greater London. However, I have disowned all of Essex south of Chelmsford, and am currently fighting as part of a revolutionary cell to win independence for North Essex. Most of us in the North of the county usually reply rather vaguely when asked where we are from as being from "the Essex/Suffolk borders". North and south Essex are as alike as Glasgow and Kuala Lumpur. So to stop ranting and answer your question: No, but part of it is! -- "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." -- Matt Groening |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
I believe you are correct - you have to be able to show that you've tried to discourage them until you're at your wit's end, now you come to mention it. The local Head Keeper was commenting on this quite recently. The wording of the new general licences did give this impression. Of course, DEFRA said that it was the reader that was at fault, and that was not what they meant. Despite being in the right, they did change the wording so us poor old proles could understand: " Defra has today published changes to its guidance on the control of bird species under the so-called "general licence" following some misinterpretation of the new system. Some landowners and other stakeholders had interpreted new guidance published to coincide with the recent review of the Wildlife and Countryside Act to mean that they would have to try non lethal means of pest control and to demonstrate the fact before resorting to shooting species on the general licence. This is not the case and was not the intention of the new guidance. It has always been the case under the 1981 Act that the killing of birds on the general licence has only been permitted where there is no other satisfactory solution for specific purposes, for example, preventing damage to crops or protecting public health and safety. That is because of legal obligations under the 1979 EC Birds Directive. In an attempt to clarify this in the new guidance, the impression was given of a change in how the general licences may be used. In order to clear up this misunderstanding the Department has changed, with immediate effect, the wording of paragraph four of the WLF 18, WLF 100085, WLF 100088 general licences to - "This Licence can only be relied on in circumstances where the authorised person is satisfied that appropriate non-lethal methods of control such as scaring are either ineffective or impracticable." Nature Conservation Minister, Ben Bradshaw, said: "I hope that by making this change it is now clear to those who use general licences that there has been no change in how they may deal with pest species. Landowners, gamekeepers and others will continue to be able to shoot species listed on the general licence if they believe that to be the most sensible course of action. " British Association of Shooting and Conservation, the UK's largest shooting organisation representing 122,000 people said " BASC welcomes this clarification which makes it very plain that lawful pest control can continue". " from :http://www.defra.gov.uk/news/2005/050309c.htm -- "In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point." -- Friedrich Nietzsche |
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In article , bigboard writes: | | However, I have disowned all of Essex south of Chelmsford, and am currently | fighting as part of a revolutionary cell to win independence for North | Essex. Hence your interest in air rifles? | Most of us in the North of the county usually reply rather vaguely | when asked where we are from as being from "the Essex/Suffolk borders". | North and south Essex are as alike as Glasgow and Kuala Lumpur. Have you been to either of the latter? Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , bigboard writes: | | However, I have disowned all of Essex south of Chelmsford, and am | currently fighting as part of a revolutionary cell to win independence | for North Essex. Hence your interest in air rifles? I haven't used my air rifle for a couple of years. And anyway, air rifle pellets just bounce off the hardmen of the 2nd Romford Light Infantry. | Most of us in the North of the county usually reply rather vaguely | when asked where we are from as being from "the Essex/Suffolk borders". | North and south Essex are as alike as Glasgow and Kuala Lumpur. Have you been to either of the latter? Of course! I went to Kuala Lumpur to try and buy weapons but was unsuccessful. Glasgow on the other hand... -- Let's call it an accidental feature. -- Larry Wall |
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