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Sycamore by any other name
While in Japan on holiday in October, I wandered under some of the micer
looking Acers and picked up seeds. These have been subjected to the British winter as experienced by a seed sitting in a car glove compartment since. I'm thinking that it'll be soon time to subject them to the warmer climes of the greenhouse. Any suggestions? Warwick |
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The message MPG.18b8e686ff68d9f49897ed@lateinos
from Warwick contains these words: While in Japan on holiday in October, I wandered under some of the micer looking Acers and picked up seeds. These have been subjected to the British winter as experienced by a seed sitting in a car glove compartment since. I'm thinking that it'll be soon time to subject them to the warmer climes of the greenhouse. Any suggestions? Warwick The period in your glove compartment won't have given your seeds the experience they need if they were dry. The cold period needed by most - but not all- Acers has to be in some kind of damp medium: a bit of compost, a damp kitchen towel, etc. Janet G |
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Warwick wrote: While in Japan on holiday in October, I wandered under some of the micer looking Acers and picked up seeds. These have been subjected to the British winter as experienced by a seed sitting in a car glove compartment since. That probably won't do it. They need to be wet, cold and frozen in soil to break down the germination inhibitors. I'm thinking that it'll be soon time to subject them to the warmer climes of the greenhouse. Any suggestions? Stick some in soil now and put them outside to get some freeze thaw action and rained on. There is still time to do it naturally - otherwise you may need to stratify them in the fridge. Perhaps try both methods. Natural is rather uncontrolled and uncontrollable. Unlike common sycamores exotic acers are a bit more picky about germinating. You should be able to do it. Don't let them dry out too much once they start coming up. Small seedling trees tend to be vulnerable to drought (and to over watering). Regards, Martin Brown |
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Warwick scribbled:
While in Japan on holiday in October, I wandered under some of the micer looking Acers and picked up seeds. These have been subjected to the British winter as experienced by a seed sitting in a car glove compartment since. I'm thinking that it'll be soon time to subject them to the warmer climes of the greenhouse. Any suggestions? Yes burn them it is not clever and probably illegal to plant non native species that have not been properly certified. You have no idea if they are disease free, you could be planting a time bomb. Remember a time whem this country was covered in Elm Trees! Did you ask the owners if you could take them if not you could be guilty of theft! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 31/12/2002 |
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In article ,
Essjay001 wrote: Warwick scribbled: While in Japan on holiday in October, I wandered under some of the micer looking Acers and picked up seeds. These have been subjected to the British winter as experienced by a seed sitting in a car glove compartment since. I'm thinking that it'll be soon time to subject them to the warmer climes of the greenhouse. Any suggestions? Yes burn them it is not clever and probably illegal to plant non native species that have not been properly certified. You have no idea if they are disease free, you could be planting a time bomb. Remember a time whem this country was covered in Elm Trees! Did you ask the owners if you could take them if not you could be guilty of theft! Oh, nonsense! As with almost all such diseases, Dutch elm disease was introduced by the COMMERCIAL import of logs, largely because the phytosanitary regulations that are used to hassle private individuals are not applied to the commercial import of goods for non horticultural purposes. Secondly, introducing diseases by means of seeds is VERY rare, and it is more likely that you will do so by the mud on your shoes. Are you saying that all clothing should be burnt on leaving a country, and all air passengers should travel naked? It makes sense .... And, lastly, your sort of attitude is enough to convert me to the viewpoint of the "Property is theft" brigade. In most countries, such actions are NOT theft or have only recently been made so by stealing the rights from the public. Regards, Nick Maclaren, University of Cambridge Computing Service, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email: Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679 |
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Steve Harris wrote: In article MPG.18ba2e68a939b3b89897f1@lateinos, (Warwick) wrote: I don't know the Japanese for "Can you tell me the name of the owner of this mountain so I can ask if I can take this handful of seeds off it.". So you just helped yourself It is a known plant/tree type and they're grown, sold and imported into the UK by the million every year. Could you identify it to us *precisely*? Thanks! Wild ones from seed are not that precise. You can get down to a few species A. palmatum and A. japonicum being among the most likely but A. miyabei and A. nikoense are also possibilities. If you want anything more precise you have to buy named cultivars. Chilterns and others offer seeds. Regards, Martin Brown |
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In article , Essjay001
writes Yes burn them it is not clever and probably illegal to plant non native species that have not been properly certified. You have no idea if they are disease free, you could be planting a time bomb. Remember a time whem this country was covered in Elm Trees! The following DEFRA page is not crystal clear, but states that the import of most (flower) seeds is unrestricted. http://www.defra.gov.uk/planth/travel.htm -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Nick Maclaren scribbled:
Yes burn them it is not clever and probably illegal to plant non native species that have not been properly certified. You have no idea if they are disease free, you could be planting a time bomb. Remember a time whem this country was covered in Elm Trees! Did you ask the owners if you could take them if not you could be guilty of theft! Oh, nonsense! You're entitled to your opinion as am I. As with almost all such diseases, Dutch elm disease was introduced by the COMMERCIAL import of logs, largely because the phytosanitary regulations that are used to hassle private individuals are not applied to the commercial import of goods for non horticultural purposes. I quoted the Elm as an example of what can happen when things get out of hand. Secondly, introducing diseases by means of seeds is VERY rare, But not uknown! and it is more likely that you will do so by the mud on your shoes. Are you saying that all clothing should be burnt on leaving a country, and all air passengers should travel naked? It makes sense .... Well yes it does, but with the vast majority of the world not being happy with what God gave us all in the way of form there would be a vast outcry against such an idea. And, lastly, your sort of attitude is enough to convert me to the viewpoint of the "Property is theft" brigade. In most countries, such actions are NOT theft or have only recently been made so by stealing the rights from the public. I was just trying to make a point. Technically this action was theft. Unless he has intention of returning the seeds from whence they came. Regards, Nick Maclaren, University of Cambridge Computing Service, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email: Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/2002 |
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Warwick scribbled:
Ah yes, and the Acer Palmatum Japonica that thrive and perform the task of being lovely specimens in gardens throughout the country should all be dug out at the same time? These are Acer Palmatum Japonica Garnet, bloodgood and a couple of others that I didn't know the precise species of. Don't be daft! Are you aware of what an Acer is? Now you are offensive Did you ask the owners if you could take them if not you could be guilty of theft! I don't know the Japanese for "Can you tell me the name of the owner of this mountain so I can ask if I can take this handful of seeds off it.". Do you? It's a fecking *seed*. It fell off a small tree on a mountain. It is a known plant/tree type and they're grown, sold and imported into the UK by the million every year. That ain't the point. Steve R --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/2002 |
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Martin Brown scribbled: Wild ones from seed are not that precise. You can get down to a few species A. palmatum and A. japonicum being among the most likely but A. miyabei and A. nikoense are also possibilities. All the more reason to destroy them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you want anything more precise you have to buy named cultivars. Chilterns and others offer seeds. Regards, Martin Brown --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/2002 |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley scribbled:
The following DEFRA page is not crystal clear, but states that the import of most (flower) seeds is unrestricted. http://www.defra.gov.uk/planth/travel.htm No it doesn't. It is quite clear. Travellers! Plants brought back from abroad could carry serious pests and diseases In order to safeguard plant health in Britain, there are statutory controls on importing plants and plant products (such as flowers and fruits) into this country. Full details are obtainable from the Plant Health Division of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (see contact details below). Broadly speaking, plants and plant products are divided into one of the following categories, according to their risk of spreading plant pests and diseases: Prohibited - These pose such a serious risk that you must not import them. Many species of rooted plants from outside Europe fall into this category. Unrestricted - These present little or no risk and you do not have to comply with any plant health controls if you wish to import them. This category includes nearly all flower seeds, most cut flowers and most vegetables for eating (except potatoes). Controlled - These must normally be certified as healthy by the plant protection service of the exporting country. Rooted plants which are not prohibited and most fruits come into this category. It also includes sunflower seeds and cut flowers of chrysanthemum, carnation and geranium imported from outside the European Community. There are, however, concessions for travellers which allow you to bring small quantities of controlled plant material into Britain without certificates providing they a in your personal baggage intended for your own use and not intended for use in the course of trade or business free from signs of pests and diseases Providing these conditions are satisfied, you may import plants and/or plant products up to the limits set out below. These vary according to the part of the world from which you are travelling. European Community (EC) countries - These are Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Portugal (including Madeira), Sweden, the Republic of Ireland and Spain (but not the Canary Islands). You may bring back any plant material, providing it was grown in the EC. Non-EC countries in the Euro-Mediterranean area - These include Algeria, the Canary Islands, Cyprus, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Malta, Morocco, Norway, Switzerland, Syria, Tunisia and Turkey. You may bring back no more than: five plants and 2 kg of bulbs, corms, tubers (but not potatoes) and rhizomes and 2 kg of fruit and cut flowers and foliage together forming a single bouquet and five retail packets of seeds (but not seeds of potatoes) Any other countries You may bring back no more than: 2 kg of fruit and cut flowers and foliage together forming a single bouquet and five retail packets of seeds (but not seeds of potatoes) If you wish to import more than these amounts, you will require phytosanitary (i.e. plant health) certificates issued by the plant protection service of the exporting country. Remember HM Customs and Excise will confiscate plants and plant produce which contravene the controls outlined above Now what part of that didn't you understand Steve R --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/2002 |
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Essjay001 wrote: Stewart Robert Hinsley scribbled: The following DEFRA page is not crystal clear, but states that the import of most (flower) seeds is unrestricted. http://www.defra.gov.uk/planth/travel.htm No it doesn't. It is quite clear. The one thing that is quite clear is that the intent of the regulation has nothing whatsoever to do with protecting this country against diseases being imported. As with all such regulations, they make no scientific sense, especially when seen in the context of the equivalent (or sometimes absent) regulations for commercial import. Regards, Nick Maclaren, University of Cambridge Computing Service, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email: Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679 |
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