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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
Does anyone here know full details ?
types of trees ,heights, light deprivation ? |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
In message , eddy
writes Does anyone here know full details ? types of trees ,heights, light deprivation ? Do you mean the legislation on 'High hedges' ? If so then it was discussed here a little while back, including links to the draft bill. A Google Groups search on 'high hedges' should turn up the threads. I'm not aware of any progress since then. -- Chris French and Helen Johnson, Leeds urg Suppliers and References FAQ: http://www.familyfrench.co.uk/garden/urgfaq/index.html |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
In article , eddy
writes Does anyone here know full details ? types of trees ,heights, light deprivation ? IIRC new legislation is proposed to bring the height of growing hedges into line with constructed fences, i.e. normally a maximum of 2m./6'6". It aimed primarily at nuisance from Leylandii hedges which are left untrimmed, but it would also take in other hedging problems. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
"Alan Gould" wrote in message
... In article , eddy writes Does anyone here know full details ? types of trees ,heights, light deprivation ? IIRC new legislation is proposed to bring the height of growing hedges into line with constructed fences, i.e. normally a maximum of 2m./6'6". It aimed primarily at nuisance from Leylandii hedges which are left untrimmed, but it would also take in other hedging problems. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. I'm planting a native hedge which isn't going to be a problem height for a few years. When it is though, how is the height llimit enforced with respect to the natural growth of hedges through the year? I'm thinking of something I heard that trimming native hedges every year is damaging to the wildlife and it's better to do it every three years instead. Something to do with production of fruits etc. being better that way. If I do that though the hedge will necessarily fluctuate in height between about 6ft and 8-9ft or more. I imagine trimming a hedge to exactly 6ft every couple of months for legal reasons would be bad for the hedge for wildlife reasons? Martin |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
In article , Martin Sykes
writes I'm planting a native hedge which isn't going to be a problem height for a few years. When it is though, how is the height llimit enforced with respect to the natural growth of hedges through the year? I'm thinking of something I heard that trimming native hedges every year is damaging to the wildlife and it's better to do it every three years instead. Many of the rose family (which includes hawthorns, blackthorn) fruit opn second year wood, so you have less fruit if you trim every year. Something to do with production of fruits etc. being better that way. If I do that though the hedge will necessarily fluctuate in height between about 6ft and 8-9ft or more. No - not necessarily - it could fluctuate between 3 and 6 ft ;-) I imagine trimming a hedge to exactly 6ft every couple of months for legal reasons would be bad for the hedge for wildlife reasons? Not particularly. Cutting in spring would disturb birds' nests. But otherwise regular trimming would encourage the hedge to become bushier - arguably a good thing for wildlife. And not everything lives on berries! - if you want to encourage wildlife, avoid pesticides and encourage insects - that way you get a diversity of insects and attract the insect eating birds. A word of caution - if you miss cutting a hawthorn hedge for a year, you can no longer do it with a hedge trimmer, you need a saw as well. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/garden/ |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
In article , Kay Easton writes: | In article , Martin Sykes | writes | | I'm planting a native hedge which isn't going to be a problem height for a | few years. When it is though, how is the height llimit enforced with respect | to the natural growth of hedges through the year? I'm thinking of something | I heard that trimming native hedges every year is damaging to the wildlife | and it's better to do it every three years instead. | | Many of the rose family (which includes hawthorns, blackthorn) fruit opn | second year wood, so you have less fruit if you trim every year. And many other families, too. | A word of caution - if you miss cutting a hawthorn hedge for a year, you | can no longer do it with a hedge trimmer, you need a saw as well. Oh, come now! Hawthorn is not a fast growing plant, though it has hard wood, and 2 year old shoots are FAR too thin to need a saw! A pair of pruners is the most you would need, and you would rarely need more than secateurs. Regards, Nick Maclaren, University of Cambridge Computing Service, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email: Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679 |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
Kay Easton wrote in
: In article , Martin Sykes writes how is the height llimit enforced with respect to the natural growth of hedges through the year? I'm thinking of something I heard that trimming native hedges every year is damaging to the wildlife and it's better to do it every three years instead. Many of the rose family (which includes hawthorns, blackthorn) fruit opn second year wood, so you have less fruit if you trim every year. Something to do with production of fruits etc. being better that way. If I do that though the hedge will necessarily fluctuate in height between about 6ft and 8-9ft or more. No - not necessarily - it could fluctuate between 3 and 6 ft ;-) only 3 ft in 3 years? You haven't met my hazel hedge! I imagine trimming a hedge to exactly 6ft every couple of months for legal reasons would be bad for the hedge for wildlife reasons? Not particularly. Cutting in spring would disturb birds' nests. But otherwise regular trimming would encourage the hedge to become bushier - arguably a good thing for wildlife. And not everything lives on berries! - if you want to encourage wildlife, avoid pesticides and encourage insects - that way you get a diversity of insects and attract the insect eating birds. I am letting some of my (mostly) hazel hedge shoot away for several years because it provides a multitude of useful beanpoles and stakes. I understand that this was in the past common practice. Nearer the house I keep it trimmed down to 3ft (plus bank). I have to trim it several times a year to keep it looking like a hedge rather than a bunch of trees in a line. It will easily grow many feet in a year, but I don't think the taller version is much more wildlife friendly than the small version, unless you have no other trees - the goldcrests hang about inside the thicker bottom bit, anyway (and inside my berberis). I also have a couple of beech hedges - those need *much* less trimming and can be cut with a hedge trimmer even if left for a year or so (though when I arrived I reckon they'd been left about 12 years - now that *did* need a saw...) Soil will make a difference - on my Cheshire clay, the elder tree in my old hedge would make feet in a year and flowered reliably: on top of a dry cornish bank, elder is now a delicate little thing that needs encouraging along! Oh, if you haven't bought your hedging yet, Martin, I'd suggest you think twice about including wild roses. They make hedgelaying a very scratchy experience with their long whippy stems. Grow 'em up something you don't need to regular contact with instead, I would. Victoria |
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On 19 Feb 2003 09:23:09 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
Oh, come now! Hawthorn is not a fast growing plant, though it has hard wood, and 2 year old shoots are FAR too thin to need a saw! A pair of pruners is the most you would need, and you would rarely need more than secateurs. ....and some really heavy duty gloves! Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
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"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.222... Nearer the house I keep it trimmed down to 3ft (plus bank). Someone else mentioned in passing that it's good to grow the hedge on a raised bank because it encourages more wildlife. Can anyone explain why this is and what extra wildlife I should expect for the effort. Martin |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
In article , Nick Maclaren
writes | A word of caution - if you miss cutting a hawthorn hedge for a year, you | can no longer do it with a hedge trimmer, you need a saw as well. Oh, come now! Hawthorn is not a fast growing plant, though it has hard wood, and 2 year old shoots are FAR too thin to need a saw! A pair of pruners is the most you would need, and you would rarely need more than secateurs. Well, I know that sounds logical! But I need a saw for the upright bits, and I don't think we've left it more than a year. But may be it's that one gets a greater urge to reduce the height of the hedge a bit if it's been left too long? I still think it's a lot easier in the long run to cut regularly. Whoever invented nasty prickly hawthorn hedges has a lot to answer for ;-) -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/garden/ |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
In article , Martin Sykes
writes I'm planting a native hedge which isn't going to be a problem height for a few years. When it is though, how is the height llimit enforced with respect to the natural growth of hedges through the year? I'm thinking of something I heard that trimming native hedges every year is damaging to the wildlife and it's better to do it every three years instead. Something to do with production of fruits etc. being better that way. If I do that though the hedge will necessarily fluctuate in height between about 6ft and 8-9ft or more. I imagine trimming a hedge to exactly 6ft every couple of months for legal reasons would be bad for the hedge for wildlife reasons? I think that these are some of the factors which are holding up completion of the Act to be passed. That said, there's no excuse for some of the 40/50/60 ft. examples of leylandii hedge to be seen. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
In article , Martin Sykes
writes Someone else mentioned in passing that it's good to grow the hedge on a raised bank because it encourages more wildlife. Can anyone explain why this is and what extra wildlife I should expect for the effort. Greater tree/bush height relative to the surrounding landscape gives certain breeds of bird more incentive to nest in those hedges. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
"Alan Gould" wrote in message
... Greater tree/bush height relative to the surrounding landscape gives certain breeds of bird more incentive to nest in those hedges. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. So a 5ft hedge on a 1ft bank is no better than a 6ft hedge on flat ground? Martin |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
In article , Martin Sykes
writes "Alan Gould" wrote in message ... Greater tree/bush height relative to the surrounding landscape gives certain breeds of bird more incentive to nest in those hedges. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. So a 5ft hedge on a 1ft bank is no better than a 6ft hedge on flat ground? The 1ft bank would give you better drainage if your ground is boggy in winter. Otoh it might be too dry for the hedge if you're free-draining anyway. What it would give you is a good habitat for primroses, dog violets, wild strawberries and so on. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/garden/ |
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Forthcoming legislation on large trees
Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Kay Easton writes: snipped by keyboard A word of caution - if you miss cutting a hawthorn hedge for a year, you can no longer do it with a hedge trimmer, you need a saw as well. Oh, come now! Hawthorn is not a fast growing plant, though it has hard wood, and 2 year old shoots are FAR too thin to need a saw! A pair of pruners is the most you would need, and you would rarely need more than secateurs. Well, our hawthorn grew 3 feet last year. Whether you need pruners, secateurs or a saw, I wouldn't want to have to tackle two years growth, one snip at a time. -- ned |
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