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cerinthe major purpurescens - self-seeding?
Had these in a bed last year and assumed they would self-seed. By June nothing had happened, so I moved other things into the gaps - and now the bed is full of cerinthe seedlings, all but one only still at the two-leaf stage. Surely at this stage they are unlikely to mature - but then what is the purpose of self-seeding? Or is this a very odd year indeed? (I have just mown the hay that used to be the lawn...) -- Klara, Gatwick basin |
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In article , Klara
writes Had these in a bed last year and assumed they would self-seed. By June nothing had happened, so I moved other things into the gaps - and now the bed is full of cerinthe seedlings, all but one only still at the two-leaf stage. Surely at this stage they are unlikely to mature - but then what is the purpose of self-seeding? Don't forget they're not british. In the Med, they would want to germinate at the end of a hot spell when the autumn rains are starting. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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In message , Kay
writes Had these in a bed last year and assumed they would self-seed. By June nothing had happened, so I moved other things into the gaps - and now the bed is full of cerinthe seedlings, all but one only still at the two-leaf stage. Surely at this stage they are unlikely to mature - but then what is the purpose of self-seeding? Don't forget they're not british. In the Med, they would want to germinate at the end of a hot spell when the autumn rains are starting. Ah - spot on, then. Thanks - I hadn't thought of that. Well, maybe they'll manage a bit of a show in autumn. If I remember right, they were pretty quick once they got started. -- Klara, Gatwick basin |
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"Klara" wrote after Kay replied Had these in a bed last year and assumed they would self-seed. By June nothing had happened, so I moved other things into the gaps - and now the bed is full of cerinthe seedlings, all but one only still at the two-leaf stage. Surely at this stage they are unlikely to mature - but then what is the purpose of self-seeding? Don't forget they're not british. In the Med, they would want to germinate at the end of a hot spell when the autumn rains are starting. Ah - spot on, then. Thanks - I hadn't thought of that. Well, maybe they'll manage a bit of a show in autumn. If I remember right, they were pretty quick once they got started. And , I doubt they will come true from self sown, I've yet to have a true purpurescens from a self seeded plant, they all come up green in my garden. (Even from the one you gave me Sacha) Had one grow from self sown seed in the front garden that took over a whole corner during last winter and I only pulled it out this spring. Must have survived some mild frosts but it flowered consistently. It has seeded as there are now a number of seedlings appearing. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:45:09 +0100, "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "Klara" wrote after Kay replied Had these in a bed last year and assumed they would self-seed. By June nothing had happened, so I moved other things into the gaps - and now the bed is full of cerinthe seedlings, all but one only still at the two-leaf stage. Surely at this stage they are unlikely to mature - but then what is the purpose of self-seeding? Don't forget they're not british. In the Med, they would want to germinate at the end of a hot spell when the autumn rains are starting. Ah - spot on, then. Thanks - I hadn't thought of that. Well, maybe they'll manage a bit of a show in autumn. If I remember right, they were pretty quick once they got started. And , I doubt they will come true from self sown, I've yet to have a true purpurescens from a self seeded plant, they all come up green in my garden. (Even from the one you gave me Sacha) Had one grow from self sown seed in the front garden that took over a whole corner during last winter and I only pulled it out this spring. Must have survived some mild frosts but it flowered consistently. It has seeded as there are now a number of seedlings appearing. Am i right in thinking that they go bluer if in full sun? I have a few plants also from Sacha's seed (thanks Sacha) and they are not particularly "purpurascens" but are in part shade. Might be worth an experiment! Pam in Bristol |
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"Bob Hobden":
And , I doubt they will come true from self sown, I've yet to have a true purpurescens from a self seeded plant, they all come up green in my garden. (Even from the one you gave me Sacha) Had one grow from self sown seed in the front garden that took over a whole corner during last winter and I only pulled it out this spring. Must have survived some mild frosts but it flowered consistently. It has seeded as there are now a number of seedlings appearing. Am i right in thinking that they go bluer if in full sun? I have a few plants also from Sacha's seed (thanks Sacha) and they are not particularly "purpurascens" but are in part shade. Might be worth an experiment! Pam in Bristol And these were so beautiful last year :-(( Still, they are in full sun (a rare commodity in our garden), so if your theory is right, Pam ... -- Klara, Gatwick basin |
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Pam Moore wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:45:09 +0100, "Bob Hobden" Am i right in thinking that they go bluer if in full sun? I have a few plants also from Sacha's seed (thanks Sacha) and they are not particularly "purpurascens" but are in part shade. Might be worth an experiment! Not sure that you are right, Pam. Mine have had full sun for months and still show no sign of "blueing". Flowers are still cream and pink and the leaves and bracts although glaucus, I would still class as green. A Tradescantia nearby, however, is as purple as I could wish. -- Jo in parched Alicante Province |
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The message .com
from "Totty" contains these words: .. Mine have had full sun for months and still show no sign of "blueing". Flowers are still cream and pink and the leaves and bracts although glaucus, I would still class as green. Eh? afaik my cmp doesn't ever have cream and pink flowers, are you sure you have the right plant? Janet. |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: The message .com from "Totty" contains these words: . Mine have had full sun for months and still show no sign of "blueing". Flowers are still cream and pink and the leaves and bracts although glaucus, I would still class as green. Eh? afaik my cmp doesn't ever have cream and pink flowers, are you sure you have the right plant? Well the packet says Cerinthe major "Purpurascens", so I take it on faith that the contents were as stated. Having Googled for images, I would say that the flowers on my plants are a rather washed out version of those of Cerinthe major. I'm off to Switzerland for three weeks on Tuesday, so I'm hoping that by the time I return, they may have matured into blueness. -- Jo Alicante |
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Sacha wrote: On 24/7/05 15:58, in article , "Janet Baraclough" wrote: The message .com from "Totty" contains these words: . Mine have had full sun for months and still show no sign of "blueing". Flowers are still cream and pink and the leaves and bracts although glaucus, I would still class as green. Eh? afaik my cmp doesn't ever have cream and pink flowers, are you sure you have the right plant? Janet. Doesn't that sound more like a comfrey? -- http://tinyurl.com/ds22f Photo taken ten minutes ago. Your opinion please. Comfrey or cerinthe? -- Jo Alicante |
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On 24/7/05 19:40, in article
, "Totty" wrote: Sacha wrote: On 24/7/05 15:58, in article , "Janet Baraclough" wrote: The message .com from "Totty" contains these words: . Mine have had full sun for months and still show no sign of "blueing". Flowers are still cream and pink and the leaves and bracts although glaucus, I would still class as green. Eh? afaik my cmp doesn't ever have cream and pink flowers, are you sure you have the right plant? Janet. Doesn't that sound more like a comfrey? -- http://tinyurl.com/ds22f Photo taken ten minutes ago. Your opinion please. Comfrey or cerinthe? I can't get this to load, sorry. In the meantime, here is a pic of Cerinthe major, without the purpurescens bit: http://tinyurl.com/cazrp And here's a comfrey: http://web.mit.edu/cfox/www/livejour...wer-detail.jpg -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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The message .com
from "Totty" contains these words: Sacha wrote: On 24/7/05 15:58, in article , "Janet Baraclough" wrote: The message .com from "Totty" contains these words: . Mine have had full sun for months and still show no sign of "blueing". Flowers are still cream and pink and the leaves and bracts although glaucus, I would still class as green. Eh? afaik my cmp doesn't ever have cream and pink flowers, are you sure you have the right plant? Janet. Doesn't that sound more like a comfrey? -- http://tinyurl.com/ds22f Photo taken ten minutes ago. Your opinion please. Comfrey or cerinthe? Not comfrey. The leaves' shape look like cerinthe, (though not as glaucous as m-ps leaves) but the flowers look nothing like m-p's. I think it must be another kind of cerinthe though can't spot a lookalike in google-images. Janet Janet |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: The message .com from "Totty" contains these words: Sacha wrote: On 24/7/05 15:58, in article , "Janet Baraclough" wrote: The message .com from "Totty" contains these words: . Mine have had full sun for months and still show no sign of "blueing". Flowers are still cream and pink and the leaves and bracts although glaucus, I would still class as green. Eh? afaik my cmp doesn't ever have cream and pink flowers, are you sure you have the right plant? Janet. Doesn't that sound more like a comfrey? -- http://tinyurl.com/ds22f Photo taken ten minutes ago. Your opinion please. Comfrey or cerinthe? Not comfrey. The leaves' shape look like cerinthe, (though not as glaucous as m-ps leaves) but the flowers look nothing like m-p's. I think it must be another kind of cerinthe though can't spot a lookalike in google-images. Janet, I have just searched URG messages for my first posting on cerinthe major purpurascens at the beginning of the month. I mentioned then that the seeds were a freeby with Gardens Monthly. Another poster in Denmark remarked that she also had the seeds from the magazine, but that hers had grown the blue bracts and flowers, so I assume that the seeds were labelled correctly. Maybe it is something to do with the growing conditions, or too much sun, that has caused the "bleaching" of the flower colours. Hopefully they will self-seed in time for the Autumn rains (if they arrive) and next years plants will have longer to reach maturity before the sun gets too strong. -- Jo Alicante |
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"Totty" wrote in message ups.com... Janet Baraclough wrote: The message .com from "Totty" contains these words: . Mine have had full sun for months and still show no sign of "blueing". Flowers are still cream and pink and the leaves and bracts although glaucus, I would still class as green. Eh? afaik my cmp doesn't ever have cream and pink flowers, are you sure you have the right plant? Well the packet says Cerinthe major "Purpurascens", so I take it on faith that the contents were as stated. Having Googled for images, I would say that the flowers on my plants are a rather washed out version of those of Cerinthe major. I'm off to Switzerland for three weeks on Tuesday, so I'm hoping that by the time I return, they may have matured into blueness. Jo Alicante Could be : Cerinthe major Yellow Candy http://www.sunriseseeds.com/ANNUALS%20%20A-C.0.html (scrfoll down....) OR Cerinthe Minor from T&M http://seeds.thompson-morgan.com/uk/en/product/6927/1 Jenny |
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