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Len i borrowed a book from a neighbour who's a real green thumb, it has an
interesting section about aphids which backs up a lot of what you said about the ants-aphids relationship. here's a few snippets ... "As they feed, aphids excude a sticky honeydew that attracts ants who feed on it. Ants like honeydew so much that they take aphids hostage and make them produce honeydew. Look for columns of ants marching around plants and you will find aphids." "This pest transports bacteria, fungi and viruses - more than any other source. Destructive sooty mould also grows on honeydew." "Any aphid control must also control ants if they are present." "Most aphids have no wings, but those who do have wings about four times the size of their bodies" "Aphids give birth to mainly live female larvae, without mating and can pump out 3-100 hungry larvae every day. Each female reproduces between 40 and 100 offspring that start reproducing soon after birth" Control ... "Manually remove small numbers. Spot spray small infestations. Control ants. Introduce predators if problem is persistent." Biological controls ... "Lacewings (chrysoperla species) are the most effective available predators for aphids. Release 1 to 20 lacewings per plant" "Ladybugs also work well to exterminate aphids. Adults are easily obtained at many retail nurseries during the summer months. Release about 50 ladybugs per plant." "Verticillium lecanni (fungus) available under the trade name of Vertalec is very aphid specific and effective" "Control ants by mixing borax hand soap or borax powder with powdered sugar. Ants eat the sweet mix and the borax kills them. They excrete sweet borax mix in the nest, which other ants eat and die." |
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thanks dave,
that is how i have known it for a very long time now, and like most agrdeners way back when i didn't know i had heaps of problems and with scale and mealies as well even with mealies fully infesting roots of potted palms all due to ants who i kindly ignored. but not now so long as the ants do their thing away from our plants we can live togther. back in the bad old days of having plenty of water to use when i found the offending ant nest i would set up a drip over them for a few days they usually moved on to someone elses garden. can't understand why it was me that came under the microscope over this f1 obviously may not have beena round the traps, i almost exclusively only pass on what i have done myself though i have not invented any of it, it is knowledge gained form other gardeners along the line. w have some bait mixes featured on our remedies page. On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:40:23 +0800, "Dave -Turner" wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.gardenlen.com |
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"gardenlen" wrote in message
can't understand why it was me that came under the microscope over this f1 obviously may not have beena round the traps, i almost exclusively only pass on what i have done myself though i have not invented any of it, it is knowledge gained form other gardeners along the line. Len, I've known you for years and I've told you on several ocassions who I am but you obviously haven't bothered to remember. I'd ask you to give my regards to Bev but you obviously don't have a clue who I am. I explained to you why you "came under the microscope" but it doesnt' suit you to take it on board. Nothing new there. But I will add that your comment that REALLY ****ed me off was: "well i guess farm1 you can believe the book which mainly only deal with chemicals to control things and never look for the root cause." If you had bothered to remember who I am, or read what I wrote in earlier posts on this subject, you'd have been able to figure out that I am into biological controls. It was a good attempt at an insult and one which obviously slid right by the other posters. I know the show you put on for the audience but your disingenuous act is, after all these years, finally wearing rather thin of late. |
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g'day farm1,
sorry that i can't recall our past interludes, as i have had health problems over the past 8 years or so that cause me that, and one of themain reason i devised my web interest to try and overcome, but like all things on line if i am not practising all the time i forget but that's not an excuse from me. i am sorry you took this to heart i have had lots of stuff directed at me over the years but at the end of the day it is all so much water under the bridge. i didn't take your attack on me as a personnal attack and as is the want of the net anonimity protects us all it is just how we handle the privelage, we all ahve the right to post an opposing view point but until now i ahve never pointed that opposing view at the other poster, preffering to let the readers decide. but aphids and ants as i have known it for over a decade now go together, now you had the right to post your opinion to the original poster but you targetted my name in your initial reply, and i responded but i don't think in a derogitory way, after all you used my name in vane first. oh i did take on board your opposing view and that would have been as far as it went had you not taken it upon yourself to target me, as what i was passing on was common knowledge among a good many gardening threads. as i said earlier if my memory was what it use to be long ago it would have been no bother at all to remember you, i have this problem where i respond to a user name but even on a regular basis never remember their real names that is just how it is with me. as i am aware i don't think i tried to insult but if you read it that way there is naught i can do about it, being online isn't about persoannal attacks though over the years i have borne the brunt of them for why i may never fully know but i have let it slide, but here i was passing on solid information as i always will . rather thin of late i don't understand?? this is one of the rare occassions in app 8 years online that a post has led to this with me. and as there are so very few occassions to get invoilved in posts in this group of late i certainly can't remember any of controversy. so if you have a good memory for names you are very lucky, and if you take this as a personnal attack then i don't know?? On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:26:07 +1000, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.gardenlen.com |
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"gardenlen" wrote in message
g'day farm1, sorry that i can't recall our past interludes, as i have had health problems over the past 8 years Been there done that! 2 bouts of primary cancer in the last 4 years. Lots of exposure to what later became known as "Agent Orange" as a child may or may not be the cause, but is no doubt the reason why I try to remain an organic gardener. but aphids and ants as i have known it for over a decade now go together, now you had the right to post your opinion to the original poster but you targetted my name in your initial reply, and i responded but i don't think in a derogitory way, after all you used my name in vane first. You have a selective memory Len. My first reply to you was to say that ants weren't the cause of aphids and that I thought you were mixing up aphids and scale insect. You replied and made a lot of incorrect statements and then Jen said that she'd read that ants farm aphids. You then replied to her and wrote "that is why i can't understand the statement made by a previous poster". That comment targeted me specifically and you did it first. I again replied with an opposing view and stated that you were wrong about aphids not having wings and gave 2 cites for you to look up then you made your crack about books and chemicals. A quite specific and deliberate insult and again it came from you first before I finally decided I'd had enough. From then on I got cross. The thread is there as proof. oh i did take on board your opposing view and that would have been as far as it went had you not taken it upon yourself to target me, as what i was passing on was common knowledge among a good many gardening threads. You keep saying that Len but you don't really just think I have an opposing view. You just do not believe that it is possible to have aphids and no sign of ants and you have gone on and on about how there must be ants. I do not have and have never had ants on my rose bushes. I patrol my roses in Spring wiht a military fervour and I knwo that I only get aphids every year for a couple of weeks and NEVER, EVER ants. The wrens clear the aphids off and they don't come back. If, according to you, I had ants, the aphids would be back. rather thin of late i don't understand?? this is one of the rare occassions in app 8 years online that a post has led to this with me. and as there are so very few occassions to get invoilved in posts in this group of late i certainly can't remember any of controversy. Farm1 is not the only name I've ever used and I have read you and remember you and many other interchanges with others from many different newsgroups and we have in the past exchanged lots of private e-mails. |
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gardenlen wrote: as i am aware i don't think i tried to insult but if you read it that way there is naught i can do about it, being online isn't about persoannal attacks though over the years i have borne the brunt of them for why i may never fully know but i have let it slide, but here i was passing on solid information as i always will . I had a look at Farm1's profile, and almost without exception his posts are combative. The word "troll" springs to mind... |
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gardenlen wrote: as i am aware i don't think i tried to insult but if you read it that way there is naught i can do about it, being online isn't about persoannal attacks though over the years i have borne the brunt of them for why i may never fully know but i have let it slide, but here i was passing on solid information as i always will . I had a look at Farm1's profile, and almost without exception his posts are combative. The word "troll" springs to mind... But then you didn't bother to notice which groups those posts were in or read the threads did you? |
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Farm1 wrote: wrote in message I had a look at Farm1's profile, and almost without exception his posts are combative. The word "troll" springs to mind... But then you didn't bother to notice which groups those posts were in or read the threads did you? I did, yes. |
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Farm1 wrote: wrote in message I had a look at Farm1's profile, and almost without exception his posts are combative. The word "troll" springs to mind... But then you didn't bother to notice which groups those posts were in or read the threads did you? I did, yes. If you had done as you say, you'd know that I have posted in many newsgroups for years and that I have many thousands of posts that can all be seen on google groups. I think you just bothered to read a few posts at google groups using my current name, there are only about 900 current posts. It would have been impossible for you to do all but a cursory glance at a few current posts or to follow all of the name changes in so short a time. After so many years of posting, you should be able to figure out that I know all of the other regualar posters and we, as a continuing community, have formed all sorts of alliances and friendships both in the ngs and by e-mail. We don't just talk about one topic and nor do we always agree even though we may be friends. Newsgroups are just the same as any real life form of community and if you always agree or like everyone that you meet then you are "a better man than I am Gunga Din". I don't in real life and I don't claim to online either. |
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