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Chookie wrote: In article , "Ally" wrote: You story reminds me of the audit done at my kids child care centre. All of the trees were cut down and replaced with shadecloth because it was decided that they may drop limbs. sigh There are a known range of gums that do this -- Lemon-Scented Gum, for example. But they don't do it wihtout a reason AFAIK. It's a response to stress -- drop a limb to have more water/nutrients for the rest of the tree. Keep the tree unstressed and it is fine. We had a bigish lemon scented gum in our backyard when we moved in 4 years ago. As the drought has progressed, it's branches started dying off and I started chopping them off before they fell on the kids. Now it only has a couple of branches and it looks really stupid in the middle of the yard with a big trunk and not much else. I was just about ready to chop it down when it started raining again and now those couple of branches are all leafy again. I might chop it down anyway and plant something more suitable as I'm pretty sure this is only a break in the drought, not the end of it. Any suggestions for a nice shade tree for the courtyard (space is about 6m X 6m where the current tree stands)? I'd prefer something with a non-invasive root system as there is a city sewer pipe down there under the yard. eggs. |
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eggs wrote: I might chop it down anyway and plant something more suitable as I'm pretty sure this is only a break in the drought, not the end of it. Any suggestions for a nice shade tree for the courtyard (space is about 6m X 6m where the current tree stands)? I'd prefer something with a non-invasive root system as there is a city sewer pipe down there under the yard. There's no such thing as a non-invasive root system. What you need are the new sewer pipes, not the old terracotta ones. In general, no trees should be planted within 5m of a sewer line. You'd probably need to work out if you only want summer shade or if you'd prefer light cover all year round. Which way does it face? Possibilities: Deciduous Crepe myrtle Mulberry FLowering prunus (or even a multigrafted stone-fruit tree) Silk tree (Albizia julibrissin) Quince (the fruiting kind, not the flowering quince) Frangipani Evergreen Bull banksia Australian frangipani (Hymenosporum flavum) Willow myrtle (Agonis flexuosa, but it may have had a recent name change) NSW CHristmas bush Melaleuca linariifolia Tree wisteria Bauhinia Olive A wattle would grow fast if you want shade in the next few years. YOu could also consider putting up a pergola and growing a creeper -- no problems with roots then. Passionfruit for all-year shade, Chinese star jasmine for light shade, a grape vine if you want something deciduous. HTH, -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled." Kerry Cue |
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eggs wrote:
I'd prefer something with a non-invasive root system as there is a city sewer pipe down there under the yard. Its the water board/sydney water's problem, not yours. My gum tree (our 5 gum trees) were all there before the sewer main went through. Once in 20 years they have been out to a blockage that might have been our gums. |
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g'day eggs,
our granddaughter is just 12 months ans she is getting taught and learning, only takes a couple of times of "no! don't touch" same worked with our daughters we started their training if you like as soon as they where mobile. On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:08:26 +1100, eggs wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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g'day hc,
yes the doogooders of society take no responsibility they just sue the pants off someone or something, all because they can't take their parental role properly. yes she is a little darling the light of our life along with the other 4 grandies as well. she is learning very easily what not to touch, they don't play pen her at home anymore either. gotta love 'em hey? On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:43:01 +1100, HC wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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g'day chris,
educatiuon of kids pirmarily is the responsibility of parents, it is up to the parent to ascertain any risk to their child before they lob them into someone elses care, it's all about parents being responsible. and yes as kids we did get hurt on odd occassion someone broke a bone we all had fun in a very much safer world then and yes our parents had things like angels trumpets and arum lillies in the garden that was very common and no! once we were told not to touch the plant or put it near our mouths i guess none of us where dumb enough to do so as none of us ever did. you can't cotton wool kids in their development, and you can't rely on litigation to do what good parenting should do. i am seeing a lot more accidents involving kids around schools nowadays some fatal and it appears to me that neither the schools or the parents are teaching kids basic road safety rules. even at 40k a vehicle can kill a pedestrian and when a kid does something wrong like run out from behind a bus there isn't much a driver can do as most drivers aren't blessed with those sort of reaction times. if i was amanda i wouldn't be too keen on signing off on anything like that nowadays it smells of scapegoating. On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:25:10 +1100, "Nina Pretty Ballerina" wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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"len garden" wrote in message ... yes bronwyn, educatiuon is the best protection, guess nowadays too many parents don't have enough common sense or knowledge themsleves to be raising a family with? Hold on a minute there - plenty of parents made great errors in judgement going back a few years too, so its not just confined to "parents of today" ..... my 65 yo Mum remembers learning about the heat of chillies the hard way .... and on another tack, my sister in law (now 51) was about 6 when the family visited a neighbouring farm and the little girls made a tea party .....and I think it was tordon that they used for the "tea". Education is great, but C&Ks are inclusive kindys and there a several children with added difficulties like autism and Downs syndrome where education might not sink in as well as it does with other kids (or sink in too well so they won't eat anything from the garden). I guess the point is that you can't just rely on education alone when you are legally responsible for 22 kids between 2 adults so making the play environment as safe as possible is the best option. Amanda |
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"len garden" wrote in message ... g'day eggs, our granddaughter is just 12 months ans she is getting taught and learning, only takes a couple of times of "no! don't touch" same worked with our daughters we started their training if you like as soon as they where mobile. Thats great Len - but multiply her by 20, add some learning difficulties and behavioural problems to some of those kids and go play with them in a patch of oleander! Amanda |
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"Chookie" wrote in message ... From what I understand, we just have to sign off that there are no poisonous plants on the place....the problem is that there doesn't seem to be an official list of plants that we can sign off against, ..... and pretty much any plant could kill you if you eat the wrong bit, don't prepare it properly or you just eat enough of it. snort No list??? I'd be back to the originators of the form! I fear that is some lawyer The poisons information centre can't even tell you what the guidelines should be. A |
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"len garden" wrote in message take very special care amanda, might be time to seek out a good litigation lawyers advice, and get that in writting too. Thanks Len ... but its not my signature on the form I'm just doing an unofficial walk through and noting anything suspect (the cestrum poking through the back fence is really the only thing I'm particularly concerned about). A |
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"len garden" wrote in message ... g'day chris, educatiuon of kids pirmarily is the responsibility of parents, it is up to the parent to ascertain any risk to their child before they lob them into someone elses care, it's all about parents being responsible. and yes as kids we did get hurt on odd occassion someone broke a bone we all had fun in a very much safer world then and yes our parents had things like angels trumpets and arum lillies in the garden that was very common and no! once we were told not to touch the plant or put it near our mouths i guess none of us where dumb enough to do so as none of us ever did. With all due respect Len, its a very different world today than when you were small or when your own kids were small. Just think of the reidiculous insurance claims for a start. AND I do know of kids from my Dad's era who died from plant poisoning (castor bean no less), so its not really a generational thing. you can't cotton wool kids in their development, and you can't rely on litigation to do what good parenting should do. I see you point Len, but bare in mind, people take a lot of offence if their parenting skills are questioned. Childcare was probably not a major option in your young day - its a necesary thing in today's world and a parent has a right to expect that the environment is safe if they are paying for a person to caer for their child in that environment. i am seeing a lot more accidents involving kids around schools nowadays some fatal and it appears to me that neither the schools or the parents are teaching kids basic road safety rules. even at 40k a vehicle can kill a pedestrian and when a kid does something wrong like run out from behind a bus there isn't much a driver can do as most drivers aren't blessed with those sort of reaction times. Again Len - not wanting to have a go at you, but do you perhaps think that a) there are considerably more cars on the road now than back in the olden days? and b) that kids still did stupid things back then but it might not have made the evening news. From what I know from my parents and grandparents era, it wasn't uncommon to have had a sibling die from an accident of some sort .... or an illness that hadn't been described. if i was amanda i wouldn't be too keen on signing off on anything like that nowadays it smells of scapegoating. Sorry - its the kindy that has to sign off, and I'm not officially offering an expert opinion so I'm not signing. Its interesting to get this "generational" discussion though. Amanda |
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"Cheryl" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:03:42 GMT, "FlowerGirl" wrote: Note: X-posted to aus.family and aus.gardens. ... so our C&K centre has to sign a doc saying that there are no poisonous plants on the premises .. and as a botanist (with a very different area of specialty) they've turned to me for guidance. Well. From what I understand, we just have to sign off that there are no poisonous plants on the place....the problem is that there doesn't seem to be an official list of plants that we can sign off against, ..... and pretty much any plant could kill you if you eat the wrong bit, don't prepare it properly or you just eat enough of it. I can tell them to sign off against what's on the Qld Health list of poisonous plants and fungi (well nearly - there's cestrum growing through the back fence from the neighbours yard and its a right bugger to get rid of ), but what about the variegated croton and the Rhoeo which can cause mild reactions. ....or even the green tomatoes which can contain a poisonous substance (saponins)? Not sure about the Strelitzias by the front door either..... Where does one draw the line? I guess your easiest option is to contact the Dept of Community/Family Services (Qld equivalent) and ask them what list they are using. They are the ones who want the document so they must have a list they want it checked against. If they are using the Qld Health list then you can just go with that, if they are using something obscure or "use your own judgement" then you have a bit more trouble. Thanks Cheryl - that's probably the department I should contact for the "legal" list. The kids planted sweet peas this week and they aren't on the Qld health list so hopefully that means its all systems go for some sweet smelling flowers in a little while. Amanda |
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"Ally" wrote in message ... Order a Leaflet from http://www.health.qld.gov.au/poisons.../pamphlets.asp Poisonous plants leaflet (limit 1 copy) Thanks Alley - all the plants are listed on that website (with common names, latin names and pictures) and I do have an older copy of that leaflet. The problem is that we don't officially know if this is the list we have to check against (its OK and only lists things which really shouldn't be planted ... like *&^% duranta) A leaflet that lists plants that is best not grown where children may have access to them. Suitable for the home or child care facilities. QPIC is able to supply a single copy only of the poisonous plants brochure. The brochure can be printed directly from this website. Larger supplies can also be ordered from GoPrint for a small charge. Telephone GoPrint on 07 3246 3500. You story reminds me of the audit done at my kids child care centre. All of the trees were cut down and replaced with shadecloth because it was decided that they may drop limbs. This is where it gets a bit sad IMHO. Some trees do drop limbs with alarming indiscrimination (like the aforementioned lemon-scented gums where the tree may not look stressed at all and still drop a limb). But others are perfectly OK. Perhaps a niche market for a couple with the joint skills of law and arboriculture to do inspections for childcare centres (although I'm almost certain that the legal insurance costs would be prohibitive). Amanda |
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len garden wrote: g'day eggs, our granddaughter is just 12 months ans she is getting taught and learning, only takes a couple of times of "no! don't touch" same worked with our daughters we started their training if you like as soon as they where mobile. My child raising practices are pretty much the same as yours - but adopting the position of "it's the parent's responsibility to teach them" means that the child ends up being punished for their parent's behavior (i.e. it's the kid not the parent who gets poisoned because the parent didn't teach the kid not to eat plants). That seems grossly unfair to me, especially as it could result in the death of a child. eggs. |
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Chookie wrote: In article , eggs wrote: I might chop it down anyway and plant something more suitable as I'm pretty sure this is only a break in the drought, not the end of it. Any suggestions for a nice shade tree for the courtyard (space is about 6m X 6m where the current tree stands)? I'd prefer something with a non-invasive root system as there is a city sewer pipe down there under the yard. There's no such thing as a non-invasive root system. What you need are the new sewer pipes, not the old terracotta ones. In general, no trees should be planted within 5m of a sewer line. You'd probably need to work out if you only want summer shade or if you'd prefer light cover all year round. Which way does it face? Possibilities: Deciduous Crepe myrtle Mulberry FLowering prunus (or even a multigrafted stone-fruit tree) Silk tree (Albizia julibrissin) Quince (the fruiting kind, not the flowering quince) Frangipani Thanks! We only want shade in the summer as we have a high wall at the back that shades us for much of the day in the winter, so one of these sounds good. I think I like the idea of a fruiting plant and I love Mulberries (hadn't even thought of that!). Off to google mulberry trees .... eggs. |
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