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[IBC] new die grinder
Well my foredom imploded, and I'm in the market for a new die grinder. Does
anyone have experience with the Dewalt shown he http://www.northwestpowertools.com/die/dw887.htm ? Wondering if 3.0 amp is sufficiently beefy for removing large amounts of wood. David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7) Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com email: ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] new die grinder
Hi Dave.
The Dewalt Die Grinder (like the popular Mikita) looks fine for doing what it does. Unlike some Foredom flex-shaft tools, it doesn't offer reverse direction (great for reaching/cutting with the grain on both sides of a deep cut), it doesn't include variable speed control (though the Foredom foot-pedal will work fine and leave your hands free) and it doesn't include an 1/8" collet as well as a 1/4" collet for accommodating a wider selection of bits. Without the flexible shaft, I don't think you'll be using the Dewalt to carve daiza, either. I'd check out www.woodcarverssupply.com & perhaps order their catalog which offers interesting detail on tool options (including wood grinders & flex-shaft carvers) whether you buy them or not. For example, they offer an accessory that claims to transform a rotating tool into a reciprocal (like AutoMach) carver. Good luck. Best wishes, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J. Bockman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: [IBC] new die grinder Well my foredom imploded, and I'm in the market for a new die grinder. Does anyone have experience with the Dewalt shown he http://www.northwestpowertools.com/die/dw887.htm ? Wondering if 3.0 amp is sufficiently beefy for removing large amounts of wood. David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7) Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com email: ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] new die grinder
Thanks for the advice Chris, spot on as always.
I'll probably go ahead and get this one as the 'workhorse' tool, I have a few very large trees that will require substantial wood removal in the next two years. I'm finding that for detailed work various hand tools, especially pull gravers of various configurations, work very well for me. My next purchase may be a replacement for the Foredom. David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7) Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com email: -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cochrane ] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:33 PM To: David J. Bockman; Subject: [IBC] new die grinder Hi Dave. The Dewalt Die Grinder (like the popular Mikita) looks fine for doing what it does. Unlike some Foredom flex-shaft tools, it doesn't offer reverse direction (great for reaching/cutting with the grain on both sides of a deep cut), it doesn't include variable speed control (though the Foredom foot-pedal will work fine and leave your hands free) and it doesn't include an 1/8" collet as well as a 1/4" collet for accommodating a wider selection of bits. Without the flexible shaft, I don't think you'll be using the Dewalt to carve daiza, either. I'd check out www.woodcarverssupply.com & perhaps order their catalog which offers interesting detail on tool options (including wood grinders & flex-shaft carvers) whether you buy them or not. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] new die grinder
That is an excellent die grinder. I also sell that model, along with Makita.
The only two I sell. The deWalt is built much sturdier than Makita ( and costs more), has the nice anti-slip "snout" and, best of all, has that "dead man" switch. It also comes with a 1/8" collet ( $18 from Makita) that once removed gives you the 1/4" . Nice, if you dare to try carving with some 1/8" bits in that powerful a carver cause if they get caught...they snap off! A good buy! Regards. Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ----- Original Message ----- From: "David J. Bockman" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: [IBC] new die grinder Well my foredom imploded, and I'm in the market for a new die grinder. Does anyone have experience with the Dewalt shown he http://www.northwestpowertools.com/die/dw887.htm Wondering if 3.0 amp is sufficiently beefy for removing large amounts of wood. David J. Bockman, ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] new die grinder
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Cochrane" Subject: [IBC] new die grinder it doesn't include variable speed control (though the Foredom foot-pedal will work fine and leave your hands free) and it doesn't include an 1/8" collet as well as a 1/4" collet for accommodating a wider selection of bits. Dave, You can get a router bit speed control for around $30ish dollars that die grinder will plug into and you can slow it way down if you like. Yes, it does come with a 1/8" collet which is removed for the 1/4", at least all the ones I've sold ( same model) did. But, like I said before, that's a lot of power to stick a 1/8" shaft into. You are better off to also own a "dremel-type" 1/8" collet carver with a flex shaft for finer work. As for the reciprocating models. I've had an automach since they came out and rarely use it. There IS a reciprocating chisel attached to a right angle grinder that is sold by Arbortech that I carry that will just eat the automach alive! You have the power of a right angle grinder behind it instead of a "dremelish" power behind it! Just my opinions. I seem to have accumulated about everything over the years but what actually gets used regularly is in a small group. I never use my foredom since it's not as handy to move around as the die grinder. While on die grinders, Makita makes a really tough, beefy die grinder model with aluminum case. Nicer, but more, than the usual blue plastic model. You can order these but rarely see them in stores since the are more expensive. You might want to check them out. Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] new die grinder
Another serious consideration for amateur or pro is to go into air
tools, after the initial investment of a compressor, anywhere from $200 to $800 the actual air tools are very very cheap.They last for a long time and I have yet to wear out a die grinder that I have been using daily for the past 13 years. I have two die grinders, one straight and one angle grinder, they both came with 1/4" and 1/2" collets. I paid $35 Canadian for each and you can probably get them for $20 US at Home Depot. Most air tools are variable speed, safe under wet conditions and just require a simple daily oiling. They are much smaller, lighter than their electrical counterparts, and very powerful you can not burn them out, I have tried. I no longer use a Dremel or a Foredom (I still have them though), I wore out too many Foredom flex shafts. Other air tools are sandblaster, $19 great for cleaning out the deadwood and getting that real natural look. A sandblaster works wonders on lime sulfur bleached white wood, a light sand blast creates contrast along the wood, gets rid of the fuzzies and eliminates hard to reach rotten wood quickly. Anton ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] new die grinder
Hi Dale.
You advised not using a 1/8" collet with a 1/4" die grinder with the caveat: ... that's a lot of power to stick a 1/8" shaft into. You are better off to also own a "dremel-type" 1/8" collet carver with a flex shaft for finer work. I wonder about die grinders being over-powered. The speed of the smaller shaft's smaller head is less than the speed of a larger head-- in fact, the 1/8" Dremel must run "faster" in RPM than the 1/4" tool head for equivalent cutting edge speed. Power, of course, is a measure of torque rather than speed. Do you find a powerful tool wrenches the shafts? I've never seen that with my Foredom, which has a flexible shaft like the Dremel but also powers bits with both 1/4" & 1/8" shafts. I am aware that shafts are designed to break if a bit gets caught in material or a safety glove's mesh, but shaft breakage is rare under normal use. I never use my foredom since it's not as handy to move around as the die grinder. I've used a variety of die grinders as well as a lathe routers in addition to the Foredom. None are as good for detailed power carving than the light flexible narrow shaft. It is a breeze to set up-- I use a wrought iron tripod that was intended for a lamp base. Michael Persiano uses an iron flower pot hanger with its primary shaft stuck in the ground and a secondary shaft near the bottom is stomped into the ground for stability. The motors are hanging beside you at ~ stomach height with a long flexible shaft for reaching. Most die grinders are excellent for removing lots of wood, especially with a large diameter head with outside burrs. You should slow the speed and cut in the direction of the grain to prevent burning or chipping. Chipping is easier to prevent with a tool that has a reverse motor. Makita makes a really tough, beefy die grinder model with aluminum case. Nicer, but more, than the usual blue plastic model. I've seen this model but not used it. The best encased tool I've seen for getting into close spaces (other than a flexible shaft) was a lathe router Dan Barton owns-- it has a very exposed end such that its body seldom comes in contact with the tree to be carved. Some die grinders with boxy ends are poorly designed for bonsai use. Dan encouraged trying a router bit for carving in his lathe router. Rather than buying a beefier tool, I'd recommend purchasing a superior carving bit. The Foredom Red/Coarse Typhoon Series bits align the tungsten carbide burrs so that the bit does not fill readily with wood (requiring heavy wire brushing to clean). They make the job cleaner and faster while cutting superbly. They also are available in 1/8" shaft sizes if you need a little more cutting power with a Dremel. I've carved daiza with a single speed Dremel clone before purchasing the Foredom, and it dioes a GREAT job if not pressed too hard and allowed considerable time to cool. I've not used the AutoMach or Arbortech reciprocating tools that Dale has, but I have borrowed a bonsai club friends' Ryobi reciprocal carver, which does a good job of carving flat surfaces such as the waste wood between feet on a daiza bottom. It is a great tool for doing what it does, but is not as flexible for carving in a variety of angles as a rotating tool. Dave will use a pull gravure for final carving of his trees, so he will not need fine power carving. If I didn't carve daiza occasionally, I couldn't justify the expense of a Foredom just to do bonsai carving. The options are worth considering. Best wishes, Chris... C. Cochrane, , Richmond VA USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "dalecochoy" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:59 PM Subject: [IBC] new die grinder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Cochrane" Subject: [IBC] new die grinder it doesn't include variable speed control (though the Foredom foot-pedal will work fine and leave your hands free) and it doesn't include an 1/8" collet as well as a 1/4" collet for accommodating a wider selection of bits. Dave, You can get a router bit speed control for around $30ish dollars that die grinder will plug into and you can slow it way down if you like. Yes, it does come with a 1/8" collet which is removed for the 1/4", at least all the ones I've sold ( same model) did. But, like I said before, that's a lot of power to stick a 1/8" shaft into. You are better off to also own a "dremel-type" 1/8" collet carver with a flex shaft for finer work. As for the reciprocating models. I've had an automach since they came out and rarely use it. There IS a reciprocating chisel attached to a right angle grinder that is sold by Arbortech that I carry that will just eat the automach alive! You have the power of a right angle grinder behind it instead of a "dremelish" power behind it! Just my opinions. I seem to have accumulated about everything over the years but what actually gets used regularly is in a small group. I never use my foredom since it's not as handy to move around as the die grinder. While on die grinders, Makita makes a really tough, beefy die grinder model with aluminum case. Nicer, but more, than the usual blue plastic model. You can order these but rarely see them in stores since the are more expensive. You might want to check them out. Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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