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29-12-2003, 06:12 PM
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[IBC] **** [IBC] This is winter ??
The "weather guessers" here in Harrisburg are predicting mid
50's for the foreseeable future, That, of course, is about 10 minutes -- but they won't admit that. ;-) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only to the white man was nature a wilderness -- Luther Standing Bear (Ogallala Sioux Chief) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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29-12-2003, 06:12 PM
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[IBC] This is winter ??
Let me point out that putting the trees in darkness may not be pertinent.
Dormancy is complicated, and varies from plant to plant, but to a large extent it is triggered by short day length in the fall, and can only be broken by a COLD PERIOD of a given duration (500-2000 hours on average). So a plant that has just gone dormant cannot be easily brought out of it by moving it into a warm room or being subjected to light. I'm just a couple hours away from you, and so far my trees haven't had much exposure to cold, but enough that I think they are genuinely dormant. So I wonder if your trees ever really went dormant. The problem with putting them in a shed is that they may only have been exposed to conditions that lead to "pre-dormancy", which is easily reversed. Of course, you want to know what to do *now*. You could do nothing; trees are often fooled into breaking bud early, and they suffer die-back, but survive. -Nina ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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29-12-2003, 07:32 PM
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[IBC] This is winter ??
Mark:
It sounds like my weather may be just slightly colder than yours but I think the difference is minimal. I keep my trees outside on the deck until typically right around Thanksgiving. Usually by then they have had enough cold weather and shorter periods of light that they are sufficiently dormant. About a week before Turkey day they were calling for temps in the teens so we moved them that evening to be safe. How early did your trees go into the shed? One of the beauties of my unheated garage is that it is very leaky as far as air circulation. That does sometimes mean more cold gets in but it also provides fresh air and more importantly it guarantees the plants don't get too hot no matter what the sun does. I keep an indoor/outdoor thermometer running in the garage that stores the minimum and maximum temperature. You may want to see what temps you are hitting in there to be safe. As we speak I actually have the garage door open to move some air around and even out the temps. It does vary from year to year. We lost a few plants last year that did fine the year before....so it is sort of a guessing game. wmcorcor == Thanks Nina == == Given your suggestions, I wonder if my trees haven't gone into dormancy == yet. == == "Pre-Dormancy" ??? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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29-12-2003, 08:02 PM
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[IBC] This is winter ??
Bill;
Thanks again. My trees sat outside for the first few frosts, then went directly into my lighted shed. This was over a month ago. They're sitting on unheated benches, that probably receive too much direct sunlight, maybe causing them to warm up. However, according to Nina, light really shouldn't make any difference. Temperature seems to be the issue here. My trees have only seen a few days of freezing temps, and that was three weeks ago. Since then, the temps have been far too high to keep them dormant. In fact, right now it's 55 deg with glaring sunshine. Conditions typical of springtime not winter. Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Corcoran. Bil Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 2:04 PM To: Subject: [IBC] This is winter ?? Mark: It sounds like my weather may be just slightly colder than yours but I think the difference is minimal. I keep my trees outside on the deck until typically right around Thanksgiving. Usually by then they have had enough cold weather and shorter periods of light that they are sufficiently dormant. About a week before Turkey day they were calling for temps in the teens so we moved them that evening to be safe. How early did your trees go into the shed? One of the beauties of my unheated garage is that it is very leaky as far as air circulation. That does sometimes mean more cold gets in but it also provides fresh air and more importantly it guarantees the plants don't get too hot no matter what the sun does. I keep an indoor/outdoor thermometer running in the garage that stores the minimum and maximum temperature. You may want to see what temps you are hitting in there to be safe. As we speak I actually have the garage door open to move some air around and even out the temps. It does vary from year to year. We lost a few plants last year that did fine the year before....so it is sort of a guessing game. wmcorcor == Thanks Nina == == Given your suggestions, I wonder if my trees haven't gone into dormancy == yet. == == "Pre-Dormancy" ??? ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-12-2003, 02:32 AM
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[IBC] This is winter ??
Bil: It's hard to have too much air circulation for your trees. A
simple box fan would be a lot more effective than opening up your garage door and letting in all the cold outside air. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Corcoran. Bil Mark: It sounds like my weather may be just slightly colder than yours but I think the difference is minimal. I keep my trees outside on the deck until typically right around Thanksgiving. Usually by then they have had enough cold weather and shorter periods of light that they are sufficiently dormant. About a week before Turkey day they were calling for temps in the teens so we moved them that evening to be safe. How early did your trees go into the shed? One of the beauties of my unheated garage is that it is very leaky as far as air circulation. That does sometimes mean more cold gets in but it also provides fresh air and more importantly it guarantees the plants don't get too hot no matter what the sun does. I keep an indoor/outdoor thermometer running in the garage that stores the minimum and maximum temperature. You may want to see what temps you are hitting in there to be safe. As we speak I actually have the garage door open to move some air around and even out the temps. It does vary from year to year. We lost a few plants last year that did fine the year before....so it is sort of a guessing game. wmcorcor ============ Thanks Nina Given your suggestions, I wonder if my trees haven't gone into dormancy yet. "Pre-Dormancy"??? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-12-2003, 03:02 AM
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[IBC] This is winter ??
We're predicted to hit near record highs here on New Year's
Day -- 72 degrees F (which is what it was here today -- but no record). Cooler tomorrow and Wednesday. While I was gone we had a few really cold (for here) days and the leaves are mostly gone from all of my bonsai. The big bald cypress in the yard was a bright orange when I left. It is leafless now and the orange is on the ground in the garden that grows around it. The 6-foot lantana has been frozen back to the soil, not to be seen again until it re-sprouts in March. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only to the white man was nature a wilderness -- Luther Standing Bear (Ogallala Sioux Chief) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-12-2003, 04:12 AM
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[IBC] This is winter ??
Alan:
Actually since the car lives in there too it's pretty hard to avoid opening up the door at least a few times each day. I have enough leaky windows in there to move some of the air. I tried the box fan but I wasn't crazy about leaving it running all the time or putting it on a timer unsupervised in a garage. Maybe that's my dad talking but so far it hasn't been a problem, at least not one caused by poor air movement. It is a good idea that I may have to try out, again assuming the open door doesn't do it. Bil == -----Original Message----- == From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf == Of Alan Walker == Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 9:04 PM == To: == Subject: [IBC] This is winter ?? == == Bil: It's hard to have too much air circulation for your trees. A == simple box fan would be a lot more effective than opening up your garage == door and letting in all the cold outside air. == Alan Walker ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-12-2003, 02:33 PM
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[IBC] This is winter ??
"Corcoran. Bil" wrote:
Alan: Actually since the car lives in there too it's pretty hard to avoid opening up the door at least a few times each day. I have enough leaky windows in there to move some of the air. I tried the box fan but I wasn't crazy about leaving it running all the time or putting it on a timer unsupervised in a garage. Maybe that's my dad talking but so far it hasn't been a problem, at least not one caused by poor air movement. It is a good idea that I may have to try out, again assuming the open door doesn't do it. Bil I just have my trees outside. Plenty of fresh air, and I don't have to water them. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Jarbas Godoy ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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