Thanks Billy!

Well... it's for one olive wood, I think that I need one pot 20" long.

-Ireneu-


"Billy M. Rhodes" wrote:

In a message dated 1/25/2004 7:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I
damage the tree?


You will not damage the tree. Some bonsai shows will not allow mica pots
to be used for trees on display, but they are a good solution for someone
looking for a larger, less expensive pot.
However, if your tree is worth it, think about saving up for the right
ceramic pot.
Some of the Chinese pots are very good looking and fairly reasonable
in price.
How big a pot do you need?
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral,
Florida
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Thanks Billy!

Well... it's for one olive wood, I think that I need one pot 20" long.

-Ireneu-


"Billy M. Rhodes" wrote:

In a message dated 1/25/2004 7:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I
damage the tree?


You will not damage the tree. Some bonsai shows will not allow mica pots
to be used for trees on display, but they are a good solution for someone
looking for a larger, less expensive pot.
However, if your tree is worth it, think about saving up for the right
ceramic pot.
Some of the Chinese pots are very good looking and fairly reasonable
in price.
How big a pot do you need?
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral,
Florida
Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai
Society
http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html

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Nicolas Steenhout wrote:

They are not preferable to ceramic containers, but their
lower price and durability do make them attractive alternatives.

One major advantage of mica pots, in my humble opinion, is the weight
factor. I have found this to be an advantage especially on larger pots.

Nic

No question about it--and this is certainly a factor when a tree is in training,
as you might be more likely to move a tree around to work on it. On the other
hand, when a tree is fairly well established you're going to be more likely to show
it, so I guess it's the same.

The big honeysuckle I mentioned in a previous post is just moveable by myself in a
mica pot. By comparison, I have an apple tree in an oval 20" pot, ceramic, that is
smaller in size and half as deep, and they probably weigh abou the same.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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Nicolas Steenhout wrote:

They are not preferable to ceramic containers, but their
lower price and durability do make them attractive alternatives.

One major advantage of mica pots, in my humble opinion, is the weight
factor. I have found this to be an advantage especially on larger pots.

Nic

No question about it--and this is certainly a factor when a tree is in training,
as you might be more likely to move a tree around to work on it. On the other
hand, when a tree is fairly well established you're going to be more likely to show
it, so I guess it's the same.

The big honeysuckle I mentioned in a previous post is just moveable by myself in a
mica pot. By comparison, I have an apple tree in an oval 20" pot, ceramic, that is
smaller in size and half as deep, and they probably weigh abou the same.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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Nicolas Steenhout wrote:

They are not preferable to ceramic containers, but their
lower price and durability do make them attractive alternatives.

One major advantage of mica pots, in my humble opinion, is the weight
factor. I have found this to be an advantage especially on larger pots.

Nic

No question about it--and this is certainly a factor when a tree is in training,
as you might be more likely to move a tree around to work on it. On the other
hand, when a tree is fairly well established you're going to be more likely to show
it, so I guess it's the same.

The big honeysuckle I mentioned in a previous post is just moveable by myself in a
mica pot. By comparison, I have an apple tree in an oval 20" pot, ceramic, that is
smaller in size and half as deep, and they probably weigh abou the same.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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I have used many mica pots, but so far I found no problem with the tree.
Budi
----- Original Message -----
From: Ireneu Castillo
To:
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:01 AM
Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots


Hello All!

I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too
expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper
than ceramics.

It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I
damage the tree?

Thank you a lot!

-Ireneu-


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Hi all...

Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not
preferred show containers?
All my trees are in training (in mica pots), so I'm not overly concerned
about purchasing a fancy ceramic pot, but I still can't figure out why mica
isn't an accepted container for display.
Mine look good. (at least I think so)

Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be
better ?

Sounds a bit snooty to me !!

Mark Hill - Harrisburg PA - Zone 7 (buried in snow !!)

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Hi Mark,

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hill"
Hi all...
Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not
preferred show containers?
snip
Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be
better ?
Sounds a bit snooty to me !!
Mark Hill
-------------------------------

I'll bite. Yes, it's snooty - for the same reason that diamonds are coveted
over cubic zirconia, though from most views, the CZ looks beautiful and
dazzling. The reason is twofold (at least):

1) This is an art. The art of bonsai display is one that touts quality and,
in many cases, is concerned with ties to the artistry of long ago (antique
chinese pots for high quality bonsai in an exhibit) or of today (great
modern potters). Also, the subtle aesthetic quality that an excellent
bonsai pot can convey as part of a bonsai display is prized for obvious
reasons.

2) We're human. When dealing with artistry - an admittedly snooty endeavor
(and define "snooty" at your peril) - the specific quality of the elements
involved has an impact on the viewer (from small to enormous) AND the
exhibitor. Humans generally enjoy exhibiting and viewing rare quality and
great craftsmanship more than we enjoy exhibiting and viewing "plastic"
make-do elements. Often, what we know about an objet d'art impacts our
enjoyment.

So sure, recognize that bonsai artistry has snooty elements. Every art does
and for simple reasons. However, thinking that to be a negative is just
silly, and deriding bonsai for its elements of snootiness does the art and
enthusiasts no good. It's just part of this endeavor. Care about it or
not, but criticize it makes us look silly.

Kind regards,
Andy Rutledge
www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm
zone 8, Texas

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Hi all...

Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not
preferred show containers?
All my trees are in training (in mica pots), so I'm not overly concerned
about purchasing a fancy ceramic pot, but I still can't figure out why mica
isn't an accepted container for display.
Mine look good. (at least I think so)

Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be
better ?

Sounds a bit snooty to me !!

Mark Hill - Harrisburg PA - Zone 7 (buried in snow !!)

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Hi all...

Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not
preferred show containers?
All my trees are in training (in mica pots), so I'm not overly concerned
about purchasing a fancy ceramic pot, but I still can't figure out why mica
isn't an accepted container for display.
Mine look good. (at least I think so)

Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be
better ?

Sounds a bit snooty to me !!

Mark Hill - Harrisburg PA - Zone 7 (buried in snow !!)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ireneu Castillo"
Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots


I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too
expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper
than ceramics.
It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I
damage the tree?

Thank you a lot!

-Ireneu-


Mica pots have been a great help for your average bonsai guy, especially if
he is collecting/growing large specimens. The large pots are a fraction of
cost of Japanese.
They will not crack in winter or ( real nice) won't fad in sun. ( I do have
trouble with squirrels sharpening teeth by gnawing edges though).
You can drill for wire hold downs if you wish.
You can wipe mineral oil on/off and they look great and from a few feet away
you can't tell hardly from unglazed Japanese,
But, now there are some GREAT nicely made, quality Chinese pots made just as
large as largest Mica rect, oval, drums at about the same cost. I
saw/bought some at Brussels. Real nice stuff. Also check Cass Bonsai for big
unglazed chinese pots.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ireneu Castillo"
Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots


I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too
expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper
than ceramics.
It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I
damage the tree?

Thank you a lot!

-Ireneu-


Mica pots have been a great help for your average bonsai guy, especially if
he is collecting/growing large specimens. The large pots are a fraction of
cost of Japanese.
They will not crack in winter or ( real nice) won't fad in sun. ( I do have
trouble with squirrels sharpening teeth by gnawing edges though).
You can drill for wire hold downs if you wish.
You can wipe mineral oil on/off and they look great and from a few feet away
you can't tell hardly from unglazed Japanese,
But, now there are some GREAT nicely made, quality Chinese pots made just as
large as largest Mica rect, oval, drums at about the same cost. I
saw/bought some at Brussels. Real nice stuff. Also check Cass Bonsai for big
unglazed chinese pots.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ireneu Castillo"
Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots


I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too
expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper
than ceramics.
It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I
damage the tree?

Thank you a lot!

-Ireneu-


Mica pots have been a great help for your average bonsai guy, especially if
he is collecting/growing large specimens. The large pots are a fraction of
cost of Japanese.
They will not crack in winter or ( real nice) won't fad in sun. ( I do have
trouble with squirrels sharpening teeth by gnawing edges though).
You can drill for wire hold downs if you wish.
You can wipe mineral oil on/off and they look great and from a few feet away
you can't tell hardly from unglazed Japanese,
But, now there are some GREAT nicely made, quality Chinese pots made just as
large as largest Mica rect, oval, drums at about the same cost. I
saw/bought some at Brussels. Real nice stuff. Also check Cass Bonsai for big
unglazed chinese pots.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware

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Ireneu & Mark - this thread has been explored ad infinitum a couple of years
ago at this site. It all boils down to the argument of artificial flowers
vs. real ones.
AHA! You must stop me here. Artificial flowers are NOT real flowers, but
both mica pots and ceramic pots are artificial. Well, you have me there.
HOWEVER - artists have been using ceramics for thousands of years. There
has to be a reason. A beautiful ceramic bonsai pot can sit on a shelf all
by itself and be a source of visual enjoyment all by itself. I can't say
the same for mica pots.
NEVERTHELESS - I agree with the mica protagonists who argue for the positive
qualities found in mica.
End of discussion - Mica is great for training purposes:
ceramics are great for great bonsai.
Marty
P.S. This is not an expression of snobbery. M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ireneu Castillo"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:21 AM
Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots


Thank you, Andy

I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and
sun in
summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because
they absorb
more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this?

-Ireneu-


Andy Rutledge wrote:

Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica
pots
are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go
for
it, save a buck and get a good pot.

Kind regards,
Andy Rutledge
www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm
zone 8, Texas



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I have used many mica pots, but so far I found no problem with the tree.
Budi
----- Original Message -----
From: Ireneu Castillo
To:
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:01 AM
Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots


Hello All!

I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too
expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper
than ceramics.

It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I
damage the tree?

Thank you a lot!

-Ireneu-


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