In a message dated 8/11/2004 12:52:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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I have often wondered about the heavy sand-laden soil that I find in many
pots with plants that have come from Florida.

Well, we have a very old joke here. A newcomer takes a soil sample to
the county agent and asks, "What does my soil need?" The report comes back in
a few weeks, "Everything but sand."
Much of Florida is make up of ancient sand dunes, not just on the
coast but for some distance inland. These ancient dune lines are frequently the
best building sites, regardless of what the Bible says. I have such a property.
Two and one half acres of old sand dunes. It is populated by "Sand" Pines
and "Sand" Live Oaks. The "soil" is mostly very fine yellow sand.
Organic matter added to soil lasts about six months or less before it
breaks down in our heat and humidity.
BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to Florida should be
required to live two summers without air conditioning. After that they could
vote and buy a house with AC.

Billy on the Florida Space Coast (A native Floridian, the child of native
Floridians and the husband of a Conch.)

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BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to Florida
should be
required to live two summers without air conditioning. After
that they could
vote and buy a house with AC.

What a GREAT idea! That would cut down on the 1000 carpetbaggers
a day who are moving to Florida. I'll suggest it to my friend
the Legislator (who is, alas, a bigshot in the Chamber of
Commerce).

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Who lives in
the part of Florida with heavy red clay soil.

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"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
news:002c01c47f9b$73f7e1e0$69102cc7@pavilion...
BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to Florida
should be
required to live two summers without air conditioning. After
that they could
vote and buy a house with AC.

What a GREAT idea!

Does "newcomer" mean
1. a (wo)man who moved to Florida anytime in the past or
2. a (wo)man who moves to Florida (from now on == starting today) or
3. any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

I'd like to see all those non-natives sweating it out over two summers. ;-)

That would cut down on the 1000 carpetbaggers
a day who are moving to Florida. I'll suggest it to my friend
the Legislator (who is, alas, a bigshot in the Chamber of
Commerce).

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Who lives in
the part of Florida with heavy red clay soil.


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"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
news:002c01c47f9b$73f7e1e0$69102cc7@pavilion...
BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to Florida
should be
required to live two summers without air conditioning. After
that they could
vote and buy a house with AC.

What a GREAT idea!

Does "newcomer" mean
1. a (wo)man who moved to Florida anytime in the past or
2. a (wo)man who moves to Florida (from now on == starting today) or
3. any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

I'd like to see all those non-natives sweating it out over two summers. ;-)

That would cut down on the 1000 carpetbaggers
a day who are moving to Florida. I'll suggest it to my friend
the Legislator (who is, alas, a bigshot in the Chamber of
Commerce).

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Who lives in
the part of Florida with heavy red clay soil.


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Jim: When did you do your two years in the sweatlodge? ;-)

Alan Walker
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"Jim Lewis" wrote in message...
BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to
Florida should be required to live two summers without air
conditioning. After that they could vote and buy a house with
AC.

What a GREAT idea!

Does "newcomer" mean
1. a (wo)man who moved to Florida anytime in the past or
2. a (wo)man who moves to Florida (from now on == starting today)
or
3. any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

I'd like to see all those non-natives sweating it out over two
summers. ;-)

That would cut down on the 1000 carpetbaggers a day who are
moving to Florida. I'll suggest it to my friend the Legislator
(who is, alas, a bigshot in the Chamber of Commerce).
Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Who lives
in the part of Florida with heavy red clay soil.

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Jim: When did you do your two years in the sweatlodge? ;-)

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


-----Original Message-----

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message...
BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to
Florida should be required to live two summers without air
conditioning. After that they could vote and buy a house with
AC.

What a GREAT idea!

Does "newcomer" mean
1. a (wo)man who moved to Florida anytime in the past or
2. a (wo)man who moves to Florida (from now on == starting today)
or
3. any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

I'd like to see all those non-natives sweating it out over two
summers. ;-)

That would cut down on the 1000 carpetbaggers a day who are
moving to Florida. I'll suggest it to my friend the Legislator
(who is, alas, a bigshot in the Chamber of Commerce).
Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Who lives
in the part of Florida with heavy red clay soil.

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On 11 Aug 2004 at 9:01, Alan Walker wrote:

Jim: When did you do your two years in the sweatlodge? ;-)

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


Years ago, Alan. I first moved here in 1961 and lived in a little
house in a dumpy town called Pinellas Park -- with fans only.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson



-----Original Message-----

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message...
BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to
Florida should be required to live two summers without air
conditioning. After that they could vote and buy a house with
AC.

What a GREAT idea!

Does "newcomer" mean
1. a (wo)man who moved to Florida anytime in the past or
2. a (wo)man who moves to Florida (from now on == starting today)
or
3. any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

I'd like to see all those non-natives sweating it out over two
summers. ;-)

That would cut down on the 1000 carpetbaggers a day who are
moving to Florida. I'll suggest it to my friend the Legislator
(who is, alas, a bigshot in the Chamber of Commerce).
Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Who lives
in the part of Florida with heavy red clay soil.

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On 11 Aug 2004 at 9:01, Alan Walker wrote:

Jim: When did you do your two years in the sweatlodge? ;-)

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


Years ago, Alan. I first moved here in 1961 and lived in a little
house in a dumpy town called Pinellas Park -- with fans only.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson



-----Original Message-----

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message...
BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to
Florida should be required to live two summers without air
conditioning. After that they could vote and buy a house with
AC.

What a GREAT idea!

Does "newcomer" mean
1. a (wo)man who moved to Florida anytime in the past or
2. a (wo)man who moves to Florida (from now on == starting today)
or
3. any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

I'd like to see all those non-natives sweating it out over two
summers. ;-)

That would cut down on the 1000 carpetbaggers a day who are
moving to Florida. I'll suggest it to my friend the Legislator
(who is, alas, a bigshot in the Chamber of Commerce).
Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Who lives
in the part of Florida with heavy red clay soil.

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In a message dated 8/11/2004 3:43:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

3. Any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

My wife and I are natives, my children are natives, my parents (one
still living) are natives, three of four grandparents were natives. I lived
without AC in home, car or work place until I was 30 years old.
I get to stay. (I have one grandchild born in Georgia, but he gets to
stay. He is grandfathered in.)
The rest of you???

Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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I grew up in Key West. A/C, what was that ?? Window fans saved the day,
and night!! But, in all fairness, I don't think I would last very long without
my A/C now. I often wonder how my early relatives made it thru these summer
months. They were the pioneers!!


Ed Trout
South Florida-zone10 & hoping Hurricane Charly keeps moving west

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I remember those years, Jim. No "good old days" for me! I like my
A/C! I'd have to move away, if I couldn't have it.
Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


-----Original Message-----
On 11 Aug 2004 at 9:01, Alan Walker wrote:
Jim: When did you do your two years in the sweatlodge? ;-)
Alan Walker

From: Jim Lewis
Years ago, Alan. I first moved here in 1961 and lived in a
little
house in a dumpy town called Pinellas Park -- with fans only.
Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL
-----Original Message-----

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message...
BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to
Florida should be required to live two summers without air
conditioning. After that they could vote and buy a house with
AC.

What a GREAT idea!

Does "newcomer" mean
1. a (wo)man who moved to Florida anytime in the past or
2. a (wo)man who moves to Florida (from now on == starting
today)
or
3. any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

I'd like to see all those non-natives sweating it out over two
summers. ;-)

That would cut down on the 1000 carpetbaggers a day who are
moving to Florida. I'll suggest it to my friend the Legislator
(who is, alas, a bigshot in the Chamber of Commerce).
Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Who
lives
in the part of Florida with heavy red clay soil.

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I remember those years, Jim. No "good old days" for me! I like my
A/C! I'd have to move away, if I couldn't have it.
Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


-----Original Message-----
On 11 Aug 2004 at 9:01, Alan Walker wrote:
Jim: When did you do your two years in the sweatlodge? ;-)
Alan Walker

From: Jim Lewis
Years ago, Alan. I first moved here in 1961 and lived in a
little
house in a dumpy town called Pinellas Park -- with fans only.
Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL
-----Original Message-----

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message...
BTW, Mrs. Gopherhill says that every newcomer to
Florida should be required to live two summers without air
conditioning. After that they could vote and buy a house with
AC.

What a GREAT idea!

Does "newcomer" mean
1. a (wo)man who moved to Florida anytime in the past or
2. a (wo)man who moves to Florida (from now on == starting
today)
or
3. any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

I'd like to see all those non-natives sweating it out over two
summers. ;-)

That would cut down on the 1000 carpetbaggers a day who are
moving to Florida. I'll suggest it to my friend the Legislator
(who is, alas, a bigshot in the Chamber of Commerce).
Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Who
lives
in the part of Florida with heavy red clay soil.

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On 11 Aug 2004 at 17:39, wrote:

In a message dated 8/11/2004 3:43:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

3. Any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

My wife and I are natives, my children are natives, my parents (one
still living) are natives, three of four grandparents were natives. I lived
without AC in home, car or work place until I was 30 years old.
I get to stay. (I have one grandchild born in Georgia, but he gets to
stay. He is grandfathered in.)
The rest of you???



I've only lived here for 42 years, but have put in my quota of un-
airconditioned time -- here AND in the Arizona desert back in the 40s
and 50s. 8=/

Jim Lewis - - This economy is a wholly owned
subsidiary of the environment. - Gaylord Nelson

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On 11 Aug 2004 at 17:39, wrote:

In a message dated 8/11/2004 3:43:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

3. Any (wo)man who lives in Florida but wasn't born there?

My wife and I are natives, my children are natives, my parents (one
still living) are natives, three of four grandparents were natives. I lived
without AC in home, car or work place until I was 30 years old.
I get to stay. (I have one grandchild born in Georgia, but he gets to
stay. He is grandfathered in.)
The rest of you???



I've only lived here for 42 years, but have put in my quota of un-
airconditioned time -- here AND in the Arizona desert back in the 40s
and 50s. 8=/

Jim Lewis - - This economy is a wholly owned
subsidiary of the environment. - Gaylord Nelson

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Hey guys....

Does a year split between Palm Beach (winter) and Pensacola (summer) and two
years in Jax qualify me for a grandfather clause? Of course that was well
back in the last century.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Trout"

I grew up in Key West. A/C, what was that ?? Window fans saved the day,
and night!! But, in all fairness, I don't think I would last very long
without
my A/C now. I often wonder how my early relatives made it thru these
summer
months. They were the pioneers!!

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