OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

Try Tobacco tea.

Worked for mom for aphids.

Soak some cigarettes in water.

Too bad you can't find and dump a bunch of ladybug larvae... IME,
natural predators work better than any pesticides if you can introduce
them in great enough numbers.

I bought lacewing eggs to control scale on my succulents.
Have not seen a scale since. :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than
mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

Try Tobacco tea.

Worked for mom for aphids.

Soak some cigarettes in water.

I haven't used this but the caution was that it is a wide range general
insecticide which is also toxic to mammals. If the nicotine in one
cigarette could get into your body, you would be dead.


Nicotine and Soap Wash.

This is for Aphids, Apple Sucker, Cuckoo Spit, Leaf Miners,
and all forms of young Caterpillars.

Nicotine (96 per cent purity)ŠŠ. 1 ? - 2 ? oz.
Soft SoapŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠ... 4 oz.
Soft WaterŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠ. 20 Gals.

Pour the Nicotine into the dissolved soap in the water, and apply as a
fine spray,

BUT

avoid using it on any plants the leaves of which are likely to be cooked
or eaten in less than four or five weeks. The same remark applies to
fruit.


Too bad you can't find and dump a bunch of ladybug larvae... IME,
natural predators work better than any pesticides if you can introduce
them in great enough numbers.

I bought lacewing eggs to control scale on my succulents.
Have not seen a scale since. :-)
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

While we don't usually have this happen in the gardens, I keep some
plants on my deck and they have a tendency to get whitefly when it is
especially hot and dry. To forestall this, I spray the foliage every
day with the hose after the late-afternoon watering, paying special
attention to the undersides of the leaves. That works about 70% of the
time for me. When it doesn't, I use those sticky yellow traps (like
cardboard) and those catch gazillions of whiteflies and aphids.
However, you need to situate them so that the birds cannot sit atop them
and get stuck. I think there are pheromones for them as well.

I can really identify with your squash problems. Those squash vine
borers are really horrible. I can't tell you how many times my DH has
had to do "surgery" on the vines in the past to save them. This year,
for the first time, we put row covers over the zucchini (four different
cultivars) and they are all producing and doing well. I go out early
every morning and hand-pollinate the female flowers with a little brush.
This is not at all difficult with squash flowers. We've never, ever had
summer squash this nice before. We use the lightest weight 8 foot wide
Agribond (like cloth not plastic) over a make-do lashed wood frame. We
started with tensile steel hoops but the plants were much to large and
vigorous for them. Our beds are 4 feet wide and we're smack dab in the
middle of the country.

We're going to use row covers on some fall crops as well, both to keep
out pests and extend the season. Best thing since sliced bread.

Isabella
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

"Omelet" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small
green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today,
said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than
mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon
of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look
worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too
far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be
removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the
many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

Try Tobacco tea.

Worked for mom for aphids.

Soak some cigarettes in water.

Too bad you can't find and dump a bunch of ladybug larvae... IME,
natural predators work better than any pesticides if you can introduce
them in great enough numbers.

We're not rich enough to buy the numbers we would need to control this
whietfly and mite invasion. Also, it's well known here the ladybugs and
other beneficial insects/bugs don't hang around. In 48 hours they're gone
and you're back where you started but with a lighter wallet.


I bought lacewing eggs to control scale on my succulents.
Have not seen a scale since. :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

"Billy" wrote in message
...

I haven't used this but the caution was that it is a wide range general
insecticide which is also toxic to mammals. If the nicotine in one
cigarette could get into your body, you would be dead.


Nicotine and Soap Wash.

This is for Aphids, Apple Sucker, Cuckoo Spit, Leaf Miners,
and all forms of young Caterpillars.

Nicotine (96 per cent purity)SS. 1 ? - 2 ? oz.
Soft SoapSSSSSSSSS... 4 oz.
Soft WaterSSSSSSSSS. 20 Gals.

What does SSSSSSSSS mean? I'll get some ciggies from my husband and soak
them. I spent so much on this garden already I hesitate to toss good money
after bad.


Pour the Nicotine into the dissolved soap in the water, and apply as a
fine spray,

BUT

avoid using it on any plants the leaves of which are likely to be cooked
or eaten in less than four or five weeks. The same remark applies to
fruit.

This is our tomatoes and peppers. In a month the toms will be rotten on the
ground if I can't can them in the next few weeks.



Too bad you can't find and dump a bunch of ladybug larvae... IME,
natural predators work better than any pesticides if you can introduce
them in great enough numbers.

I bought lacewing eggs to control scale on my succulents.
Have not seen a scale since. :-)
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

"Isabella Woodhouse" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small
green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today,
said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than
mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon
of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look
worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too
far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be
removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the
many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

While we don't usually have this happen in the gardens, I keep some
plants on my deck and they have a tendency to get whitefly when it is
especially hot and dry. To forestall this, I spray the foliage every
day with the hose after the late-afternoon watering, paying special
attention to the undersides of the leaves. That works about 70% of the
time for me. When it doesn't, I use those sticky yellow traps (like
cardboard) and those catch gazillions of whiteflies and aphids.
However, you need to situate them so that the birds cannot sit atop them
and get stuck. I think there are pheromones for them as well.

I can really identify with your squash problems. Those squash vine
borers are really horrible. I can't tell you how many times my DH has
had to do "surgery" on the vines in the past to save them. This year,
for the first time, we put row covers over the zucchini (four different
cultivars) and they are all producing and doing well. I go out early
every morning and hand-pollinate the female flowers with a little brush.
This is not at all difficult with squash flowers. We've never, ever had
summer squash this nice before. We use the lightest weight 8 foot wide
Agribond (like cloth not plastic) over a make-do lashed wood frame. We
started with tensile steel hoops but the plants were much to large and
vigorous for them. Our beds are 4 feet wide and we're smack dab in the
middle of the country.

We're going to use row covers on some fall crops as well, both to keep
out pests and extend the season. Best thing since sliced bread.

The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd pay
at the store we're finding. What did these row covers cost you if I may be
so bold?


Isabella
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Soak some cigarettes in water.

I haven't used this but the caution was that it is a wide range general
insecticide which is also toxic to mammals. If the nicotine in one
cigarette could get into your body, you would be dead.


Nicotine and Soap Wash.

This is for Aphids, Apple Sucker, Cuckoo Spit, Leaf Miners,
and all forms of young Caterpillars.

Nicotine (96 per cent purity)ŠŠ. 1 ? - 2 ? oz.
Soft SoapŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠ... 4 oz.
Soft WaterŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠŠ. 20 Gals.

Pour the Nicotine into the dissolved soap in the water, and apply as a
fine spray,

BUT

avoid using it on any plants the leaves of which are likely to be cooked
or eaten in less than four or five weeks. The same remark applies to
fruit.

Good caution. :-) As far as I know, mom only ever used it on Roses...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

In article
,
Isabella Woodhouse wrote:

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today, said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than
mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

While we don't usually have this happen in the gardens, I keep some
plants on my deck and they have a tendency to get whitefly when it is
especially hot and dry. To forestall this, I spray the foliage every
day with the hose after the late-afternoon watering, paying special
attention to the undersides of the leaves. That works about 70% of the
time for me. When it doesn't, I use those sticky yellow traps (like
cardboard) and those catch gazillions of whiteflies and aphids.
However, you need to situate them so that the birds cannot sit atop them
and get stuck. I think there are pheromones for them as well.

I can really identify with your squash problems. Those squash vine
borers are really horrible. I can't tell you how many times my DH has
had to do "surgery" on the vines in the past to save them. This year,
for the first time, we put row covers over the zucchini (four different
cultivars) and they are all producing and doing well. I go out early
every morning and hand-pollinate the female flowers with a little brush.
This is not at all difficult with squash flowers. We've never, ever had
summer squash this nice before. We use the lightest weight 8 foot wide
Agribond (like cloth not plastic) over a make-do lashed wood frame. We
started with tensile steel hoops but the plants were much to large and
vigorous for them. Our beds are 4 feet wide and we're smack dab in the
middle of the country.

We're going to use row covers on some fall crops as well, both to keep
out pests and extend the season. Best thing since sliced bread.

Isabella

Wow, I'll have to try that! I'd given up on growing squash long ago
because of the borers...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

Too bad you can't find and dump a bunch of ladybug larvae... IME,
natural predators work better than any pesticides if you can introduce
them in great enough numbers.

We're not rich enough to buy the numbers we would need to control this
whietfly and mite invasion. Also, it's well known here the ladybugs and
other beneficial insects/bugs don't hang around. In 48 hours they're gone
and you're back where you started but with a lighter wallet.

Note I said "larvae". ;-) Those can't fly.

I collected a couple of hundred ladybugs a few years ago in the
parkinglot at work one night. They were all over the cars near a street
lamp! Guess it was a migration of some sort.

Brought them home and have had a lot of baby ones around ever since.
Guess they laid their eggs before leaving. :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Isabella Woodhouse" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

[...] The squash are too far gone with millions of white fly and
borers. The squash crop will be removed and burned tomorrow. It's
impossible to get the sprays under all the many thousands of
leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

[...] This year, for the first time, we put row covers over the
zucchini (four different cultivars) and they are all producing and
doing well. I go out early every morning and hand-pollinate the
female flowers with a little brush. This is not at all difficult
with squash flowers. We've never, ever had summer squash this nice
before. We use the lightest weight 8 foot wide Agribond (like
cloth not plastic) over a make-do lashed wood frame. We started
with tensile steel hoops but the plants were much to large and
vigorous for them. Our beds are 4 feet wide and we're smack dab in
the middle of the country.

We're going to use row covers on some fall crops as well, both to keep
out pests and extend the season. Best thing since sliced bread.

The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd pay
at the store we're finding. What did these row covers cost you if I may be
so bold?

We only had a 50' long piece that my husband said he bought two years
ago and just now got around to trying. He said it was reasonable but
does not recall the price. The product is reusable unless it gets torn
up by hail or deer I guess. He asked me to order more for the fall so
I've just started looking at prices. Johnny's has Agribon in different
weights (sorry I misspelled it in my other post). The lightweight
insect barrier is 118" x 250' for $51. It looks like lightweight
non-woven interfacing for sewing. It lets in the light and the rain,
though the heavier stuff for cold weather does block more light. No
doubt others have it too and there are other brands.

I don't think anything can guarantee that you'll never see a bad pest
like the SVB again but, for us, we finally have a really nice crop
without extraordinary effort. The pests may eventually find them, who
knows? But I've already had a better crop by the end of July than I had
in any previous entire season. And best of all, no spraying whatsoever.
I did have to let out a bumblebee today that must have gone in there
when I was pollinating them earlier. I told him there were plenty of
other flowers for him to visit other than the squash. We use ground
staples, rocks and old broken pots to hold down the fabric. And in
places where I needed to join fabric pieces (his test size was not quite
wide enough), I used my quilting gun that shoots tiny little plastic
ties (I use those instead of safety pins for my quilts).

Isabella
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Isabella Woodhouse" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small
green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today,
said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than
mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon
of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look
worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year? The squash are too
far
gone with millions of white fly and borers. The squash crop will be
removed
and burned tomorrow. It's impossible to get the sprays under all the
many
thousands of leaves. Suggestions anyone... other than to torch the three
entire gardens.

While we don't usually have this happen in the gardens, I keep some
plants on my deck and they have a tendency to get whitefly when it is
especially hot and dry. To forestall this, I spray the foliage every
day with the hose after the late-afternoon watering, paying special
attention to the undersides of the leaves. That works about 70% of the
time for me. When it doesn't, I use those sticky yellow traps (like
cardboard) and those catch gazillions of whiteflies and aphids.
However, you need to situate them so that the birds cannot sit atop them
and get stuck. I think there are pheromones for them as well.

I can really identify with your squash problems. Those squash vine
borers are really horrible. I can't tell you how many times my DH has
had to do "surgery" on the vines in the past to save them. This year,
for the first time, we put row covers over the zucchini (four different
cultivars) and they are all producing and doing well. I go out early
every morning and hand-pollinate the female flowers with a little brush.
This is not at all difficult with squash flowers. We've never, ever had
summer squash this nice before. We use the lightest weight 8 foot wide
Agribond (like cloth not plastic) over a make-do lashed wood frame. We
started with tensile steel hoops but the plants were much to large and
vigorous for them. Our beds are 4 feet wide and we're smack dab in the
middle of the country.

We're going to use row covers on some fall crops as well, both to keep
out pests and extend the season. Best thing since sliced bread.

The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd pay
at the store we're finding.

So you'd rather pay a lower price to suck down pesticide residues?
Just no accounting for some peoples taste.

What did these row covers cost you if I may be
so bold?


Isabella
--
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
-T.S. Eliot
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
...
OK guys, my tomatoes are still covered with whitefly and their small green
babies that look like minute aphids. My friend, looking at them today,
said
she believes they also have spider mites. Her eyesight is better than
mine.
The NeemOil did almost nothing nor did the Seven dust or Malathion or
Bug-Be-Gone. I also sprayed the garden with 1 Tbs. Epsom Salt per gallon
of
water and if anything, the failed peppers and infested tomatoes look worse
today. Any suggestions to save our crops this year?

I found Sevin liquid concentrate 1 tablespoon per quart of water in a spray
bottle works OK.
The spray leaves a chalky residue on the leaves that dissipates in a couple
of weeks.

I'm real keen now on how to identify, locate, search and destroy crop
infesting parasites.
For instance I found a small worn camping out in a corn silk that would
eventually turn into a big ugly.

The first clue was some small tender leaves that had been chewed.

In article
,
Billy wrote:

The cost of trying to grow some of our own food is more costly than we'd
pay
at the store we're finding.

So you'd rather pay a lower price to suck down pesticide residues?
Just no accounting for some peoples taste.

Hit the local Farmers Markets.
Ours is every Tuesday.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein

"Omelet" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

Too bad you can't find and dump a bunch of ladybug larvae... IME,
natural predators work better than any pesticides if you can introduce
them in great enough numbers.

We're not rich enough to buy the numbers we would need to control this
whietfly and mite invasion. Also, it's well known here the ladybugs and
other beneficial insects/bugs don't hang around. In 48 hours they're gone
and you're back where you started but with a lighter wallet.

Note I said "larvae". ;-) Those can't fly.

I collected a couple of hundred ladybugs a few years ago in the
parkinglot at work one night. They were all over the cars near a street
lamp! Guess it was a migration of some sort.

Brought them home and have had a lot of baby ones around ever since.
Guess they laid their eggs before leaving. :-)

Wish I could find some free insects that eat spidermites and whitefly and
their larvae. Tomorrow I'm going to hit them with Need Oil and a dab of soap
again.

--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people
until they put their foot down." -- Stephan Rothstein