Well, Columbus day marks the traditional hardneck planting time here
in the eastern US which means of course that I haven't done it yet.

Got the bed prepared though, and will crack them and stick them in on
Saturday.

I decided to expand and try a few new ones this year.

I've got German Red, Music Pink, Chesnok Red, Persian Star,
Romanian Red, Spanish Roja, Red Rezan, Siberian, and Russian Red.

Anyone else?

se (JustTom) wrote:

Anyone else?

There's a spreadsheet on my personal page, in the .sig below. I've got
something less than half cracked, and none planted, though the bed just
needs a couple more passes with Mr. Troy-Bilt to make sure the buckwheat
cover is dead. I should be planting in a day or two, which is earlier than
my usual late date in upstate New York..


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:19:59 -0400, Gary Woods
wrote:

(JustTom) wrote:

Anyone else?

There's a spreadsheet on my personal page, in the .sig below. I've got
something less than half cracked, and none planted, though the bed just
needs a couple more passes with Mr. Troy-Bilt to make sure the buckwheat
cover is dead. I should be planting in a day or two, which is earlier than
my usual late date in upstate New York..

Cool, I was hoping at least one or two garlic head still hung out
here.

This is my first year of expanding and doing anything more than
dabbling, so hopefully I'll be successful enough to start building my
seed stock. I didn't plant a green manure in my bed, but have loaded
it with rabbit manure, and plan to use chopped leaves for mulch.

I just joined SSE about a month ago for next year, so am curious to
see their offerings next year.

A few questions:

Is the "# planted" bulbs or cloves?

From the "source" column, it looks like you buy new stock every year,
or does that just mean where you got your originals from?

What does column Q represent (the length inc buffer feet one) ?

Have you ever tried saving and planting from bulbils?

se (JustTom) wrote:

Is the "# planted" bulbs or cloves?

Cloves.

From the "source" column, it looks like you buy new stock every year,
or does that just mean where you got your originals from?

That's the original source, in some cases years ago. I'm not really sure
that belongs in the spreadsheet, because there's a separate accession file
with considerably more detail.

What does column Q represent (the length inc buffer feet one) ?

I need to add info in the footer; the cloves go in a 4' wide bed at 6X6" or
8X8" spacing, depending on variety. That number, with the total at the
bottom is how long the bed will be. That helps me tweak the numbers
planted to fit. This year, the bed has 103 feet available, with only
moderate fertility. I'm hoping for some help from my chicken-raising
neighbors.

Have you ever tried saving and planting from bulbils?

Not directly; I've occasionally given away bulbils to folks who want a
cheap start. It's also a good choice if you're worried about soil-borne
disease.

The sky is getting brighter overhead, so it looks like the rain has blown
through. 0.6" in the rain gauge when I looked earlier, after a couple of
weeks of nothing, so shouldn't be too muddy. My soil is mostly clay,
interspersed with shale and the occasional traveling boulder, thanks to the
late glacier.

Hope this helps,



Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

I've read that garlic head need to be cold-soaked before planting to
make them grow cloves instead of one big onion-like bulb. Most of my
garlic (not chilled) did not produce multiple cloves but these big
masses. Can anybody confirm/deny the need to refrigerate the garlic?

Mike
www.gardening-coaches.com

wrote in message
...
I've read that garlic head need to be cold-soaked before planting to
make them grow cloves instead of one big onion-like bulb. Most of my
garlic (not chilled) did not produce multiple cloves but these big
masses. Can anybody confirm/deny the need to refrigerate the garlic?

I bung a clove of standard garlic in the ground and it produces true to its
parent. Some elephant garlic cloves produced another clove but I understand
if I plant it the following autumn it will produce a mass of cloves.

rob

On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:49:07 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I've read that garlic head need to be cold-soaked before planting to
make them grow cloves instead of one big onion-like bulb. Most of my
garlic (not chilled) did not produce multiple cloves but these big
masses. Can anybody confirm/deny the need to refrigerate the garlic?


No, no need to refrigerate.

When did you plant?

wrote:

Can anybody confirm/deny the need to refrigerate the garlic?

Depends on the variety; some garlics need a winter dormancy/chill to grow
properly, the softneck varieties grown in California do not. Filaree Farm
has some they call "Cajun" that need little or no winter chill. At any
rate, the garlic should get this chilling in the ground, since it puts down
roots after planting and before the ground freezes. (If it does where you
are).
Sufficient winter chill is NOT a problem for me in upstate New York!


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Gary Woods wrote:
wrote:


Can anybody confirm/deny the need to refrigerate the garlic?


Depends on the variety; some garlics need a winter dormancy/chill to grow
properly, the softneck varieties grown in California do not. Filaree Farm
has some they call "Cajun" that need little or no winter chill. At any
rate, the garlic should get this chilling in the ground, since it puts down
roots after planting and before the ground freezes. (If it does where you
are).
Sufficient winter chill is NOT a problem for me in upstate New York!

I'm in TN and have never pre chilled them. I planted a couple of weeks
ago and will likely harvest in July.

I've occassionally gotten just 1 big clove - i think it's when I've
spaced it too close or shallow.

Kate

I just planted mine on sunday:
georgian crystal, northern white, german white, persian star, brown tempest,
pskem, red rezan, purple glazer, temptress, german red, italian red, russian
red, korean red, riesig

northern white from Ireland Farm and german white from Mele Farm are both
impressive for size. I have also done very well with brown tempest.

riesig is one that I know nothing about. Any info would be appreciated.


"JustTom" wrote in message
...
Well, Columbus day marks the traditional hardneck planting time here
in the eastern US which means of course that I haven't done it yet.

Got the bed prepared though, and will crack them and stick them in on
Saturday.

I decided to expand and try a few new ones this year.

I've got German Red, Music Pink, Chesnok Red, Persian Star,
Romanian Red, Spanish Roja, Red Rezan, Siberian, and Russian Red.

Anyone else?

Guess I'm boring. I went to Whole Foods and planted whatever the organic
garlic they have is. It works though and keeps me in home grown garlic.

polecanoe wrote:
I just planted mine on sunday:
georgian crystal, northern white, german white, persian star, brown
tempest, pskem, red rezan, purple glazer, temptress, german red, italian
red, russian red, korean red, riesig

northern white from Ireland Farm and german white from Mele Farm are
both impressive for size. I have also done very well with brown tempest.

riesig is one that I know nothing about. Any info would be appreciated.


"JustTom" wrote in message
...

Well, Columbus day marks the traditional hardneck planting time here
in the eastern US which means of course that I haven't done it yet.

Got the bed prepared though, and will crack them and stick them in on
Saturday.

I decided to expand and try a few new ones this year.

I've got German Red, Music Pink, Chesnok Red, Persian Star,
Romanian Red, Spanish Roja, Red Rezan, Siberian, and Russian Red.

Anyone else?

kate wrote:

Guess I'm boring. I went to Whole Foods and planted whatever the organic
garlic they have is.

That works fine, but you have to hope it is a type suited to your local
conditions. At least, use your own best bulbs for planting stock in the
future, since garlic adapts.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

The Cook wrote:

I just
used some from Costco. I figure that it is a good as mail order and I
doubt that what the nurseries around here have is actually "local"
garlic.

The Costco stuff is more than likely from China, which grows a lot of
really cheap garlic. Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a 3.05 meter
pole, because of the possibility of soil-borne nasties. But, it's probably
better than planting nothing.
Half the fun of this is networking with other like-minded loonies;
preferably fairly local (though the Net has greatly expanded "local").


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:28:29 -0400, Gary Woods
wrote:

kate wrote:

Guess I'm boring. I went to Whole Foods and planted whatever the organic
garlic they have is.

That works fine, but you have to hope it is a type suited to your local
conditions. At least, use your own best bulbs for planting stock in the
future, since garlic adapts.

I didn't get many planted last year and I used them all up. I just
used some from Costco. I figure that it is a good as mail order and I
doubt that what the nurseries around here have is actually "local"
garlic.

In article ,
Gary Woods wrote:

The Cook wrote:

I just
used some from Costco. I figure that it is a good as mail order and I
doubt that what the nurseries around here have is actually "local"
garlic.

The Costco stuff is more than likely from China, which grows a lot of
really cheap garlic. Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a 3.05 meter
pole, because of the possibility of soil-borne nasties. But, it's probably
better than planting nothing.
Half the fun of this is networking with other like-minded loonies;
preferably fairly local (though the Net has greatly expanded "local").


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

lol Ain't that the truth!

Grocery store garlic has always worked for me, including elephant
garlic. ;-d

Great roasted.
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