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Organic Gardening in a Hotter, Drier World
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, gunny wrote: I leave the wacky to you, it seems to be your forte. However, do show me anywhere that Parenti is a anything more than a writer, his bona fides read like he is a book writer. http://www.christianparenti.com/bio/ Perhaps you have some other information to contradict this that you wish to share? As for ³citations², here is a few to skim through since I know you donıt ever read much of what you cherry pick for your BS propaganda. If you still pretend you need some more I will be visiting the PLU Library here in a few weeks and will get you some of those as well. However you will need to get either academic or paid access to those. Do note these are not the dot coms fringe political editorial references you always posting , so again, be cautious in your cherry picking to support your propaganda without actually reading, like you did recently with Mann, etc. . That pattern shows a proclivity towards lying to support your political activism agenda. http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstr.../57432/1/Brant thesis.pdf Did you have a specific article in mind? The name Brant seems to come up in relation to nursing homes??! http://spot.colorado.edu/~carpenh/Magkos.pdf A megastudy, you should know better, gunny. http://www.ajcn.org/content/90/3/680.full.pdf Supports Parenti's conclusions in his book, Tropic of Chaos. http://water.columbia.edu/?id=Brazil&navid=Ceara Pepsi is supplying weather models, and blah, blah, blah. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1.../hysj.51.1.157 Goning sedimental on me, gunny? http://iahs.info/hsj/495/hysj 49 05 0901.pdf Not found. http://www.wamis.org/agm/meetings/emndp11/S4-Brazil.pdf Supports Parenti's conclusions in his book, Tropic of Chaos. https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/in...ticle/.../1935 Not found. https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/br.html CIA Factbook? Did you find that all by yourself or did you have help? What are you trying to prove? That you've been wrong all along? What are you trying to prove with these superficial documents? You are a wild and wacky guy, gunny. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug |
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Gunner wrote:
I really do not have the time today to wrestle the pig, but I promise I will address your points if there really are any bird. The first time I read I did not see any but still. Meantime go read some of the references I gave billy below as well as Milpa & swidden Milpa and Swidden what? Understand you are talking about monoculture. Don't know where native plants came in. specifically we were talking about how to deal with arid land that is barren and lacking much cover at all. that is land that is on the verge of desertification. i mentioned setting up rocks to start a reforestation effort and then you said something about the three sisters which are not involved in reforestation (they can play a later role in a more sustainable agricultural setup, but initially the idea is to get some shade and trees to support wild life). the rock line captures water even for a moment and allows more of it to soak in and it also captures seeds that blow on the wind. native seeds. so there is no overt agriculture going on to start with, just getting some shade and trees that produce food/fruit and wood for people to use (eventually). notice that this natural and native setup does not need any additional irrigation because it is using native seeds and it needs no subsidies because the seeds are there already. the only thing it needs is people to line up the rocks and then for them to keep the animals from eating the new growth and for them to not over harvest wood or burn the hedge/trees. once you get one line going the shade and treeline will act as a continual source of other seeds for the surrounding area and it will harbor plants and animals. i'm not talking theory here, i'm talking what has been tried and found to work for low cost reforestation in arid regions. Still subsidies are subsidies regardless of who they go to. Get the people a real job instead of giving them water, seed and money to continue to screwing up the fragile eco system of this arid regions. i don't see how sustainable methods using native plants is screwing up a fragile ecosystem. it's restoring an ecosystem likely damaged by war, fire, over grazing, monoculture farms, irrigation, etc. and really, i'm not talking about jobs here, i'm talking about growing food to live as simply as possible. jobs are things that people have who are not on the brink of starvation because their land is destroyed. songbird |
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FarmI wrote:
songbird wrote: FarmI wrote: songbird wrote: ... all very interesting. in other arid climates with no severe drains/gullies you can line rocks across the ground and they will act as a water catch when it rains to slow down the water so that more soaks in. Standard practice in permaculture and other forms of land management but usually it's contour forming on farmland using a tractor/dozer and uses earth. They're called swales. ah, the usage i'm familiar with for those is a sometimes marshy ground, not a particularly made structure -- though i can see how the term would be adapted/adopted for them too. the made structures i would call dams. Absolutley not a dam. They are just earthwork contour gutters (for want of a better word to describe them). *nods* yes, i know of what you speak, i was just nattering about how the usage is different. here i call places seeps are catches where i gather water from a harder rain. i wouldn't call them swales because they are not marshy. But swales don't have to be marshy and in fact I don't think I've ever seen one that could be called marshy. likely a climate/country related shift in usage (i'm assuming it's much drier there so there may not be as much of the marshy aspect going on). the usage of the word here is about an area that is sometimes marshy. the erosion control or over flow water control aspects are not even mentioned in the definition (Middle English origin should give you a better way of seeing how the usage has shifted). The function of swales is to slow down rain run off and let the water soak in and recharge the soil with moisture. Thus swales work well in both arid and dry temperate zones where the rainfall can come in fast and furious bursts (like from passing storms) but where the rain is not sustainedfor a long time. They probably also work in high rainfall areas to slow the flow of water across a clandscape but where they arent' necesarrily needed to give much needed soil moisture. yes, i'm aware of the function of them, sorry to have confused you to think i wasn't. songbird |
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On Sep 10, 1:02*pm, Billy wrote:
You think this is a nursing home link? really have you checked your disability options on your computer? yours appear to be set wrong. http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstr...ant_thesis.pdf ASSESSING VULNERABILITY TO DROUGHT IN CEARÁ, NORTHEAST BRAZIL by Simone Brant , A thesis submitted in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of Master of Science (Natural Resources and Environment) University of Michigan, November 2007. As for the CIA fact book, are you afraid of something? I used the book for area studies long before I got into the business. Still if you are afraid, you can go to some web encyclopedias and sift to get the same basic info. It really is just a fact book. trust me I worked for the government and I am here to help you. |
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"Billy" wrote in message
As usual, gunny has lots of opinions, but no citations to back up his wacky assertions. Why bother reading him? I can't remember him ever having written anything about gardening and if he ever did, it wasn't memorable so as far as I'm concerned there is no point in reading him and seldom bother to read any responses to him. There are other forums where I read 'tall tales and true from the legendary past' if I feel the need to do so but this place, for me, is about gardening and chewing the fat with people who have a simialr interest. He never seemed to have any interest in anything other than being an arrogant loud mouth. |
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"songbird" wrote in message
... FarmI wrote: songbird wrote: FarmI wrote: songbird wrote: ... all very interesting. in other arid climates with no severe drains/gullies you can line rocks across the ground and they will act as a water catch when it rains to slow down the water so that more soaks in. Standard practice in permaculture and other forms of land management but usually it's contour forming on farmland using a tractor/dozer and uses earth. They're called swales. ah, the usage i'm familiar with for those is a sometimes marshy ground, not a particularly made structure -- though i can see how the term would be adapted/adopted for them too. the made structures i would call dams. Absolutley not a dam. They are just earthwork contour gutters (for want of a better word to describe them). *nods* yes, i know of what you speak, i was just nattering about how the usage is different. ???? Your dams are used differently or swales are used differently? here i call places seeps are catches where i gather water from a harder rain. i wouldn't call them swales because they are not marshy. But swales don't have to be marshy and in fact I don't think I've ever seen one that could be called marshy. likely a climate/country related shift in usage (i'm assuming it's much drier there so there may not be as much of the marshy aspect going on). the usage of the word here is about an area that is sometimes marshy. the erosion control or over flow water control aspects are not even mentioned in the definition (Middle English origin should give you a better way of seeing how the usage has shifted). The function of swales is to slow down rain run off and let the water soak in and recharge the soil with moisture. Thus swales work well in both arid and dry temperate zones where the rainfall can come in fast and furious bursts (like from passing storms) but where the rain is not sustainedfor a long time. They probably also work in high rainfall areas to slow the flow of water across a clandscape but where they arent' necesarrily needed to give much needed soil moisture. yes, i'm aware of the function of them, sorry to have confused you to think i wasn't. :-)) Well now youv'e got me wondering about dams and swales and diffeirng usage etc. I'm off travelling for a few weeks so will be mute from today for a while. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Billy" wrote in message As usual, gunny has lots of opinions, but no citations to back up his wacky assertions. Why bother reading him? I can't remember him ever having written anything about gardening and if he ever did, it wasn't memorable so as far as I'm concerned there is no point in reading him and seldom bother to read any responses to him. There are other forums where I read 'tall tales and true from the legendary past' if I feel the need to do so but this place, for me, is about gardening and chewing the fat with people who have a simialr interest. He never seemed to have any interest in anything other than being an arrogant loud mouth. OK, kid, you're right again. In any event, this, gardens.edible, isn't the place for it. -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "songbird" wrote in message ... FarmI wrote: songbird wrote: FarmI wrote: songbird wrote: ... all very interesting. in other arid climates with no severe drains/gullies you can line rocks across the ground and they will act as a water catch when it rains to slow down the water so that more soaks in. Standard practice in permaculture and other forms of land management but usually it's contour forming on farmland using a tractor/dozer and uses earth. They're called swales. ah, the usage i'm familiar with for those is a sometimes marshy ground, not a particularly made structure -- though i can see how the term would be adapted/adopted for them too. the made structures i would call dams. Absolutley not a dam. They are just earthwork contour gutters (for want of a better word to describe them). *nods* yes, i know of what you speak, i was just nattering about how the usage is different. ???? Your dams are used differently or swales are used differently? here i call places seeps are catches where i gather water from a harder rain. i wouldn't call them swales because they are not marshy. But swales don't have to be marshy and in fact I don't think I've ever seen one that could be called marshy. likely a climate/country related shift in usage (i'm assuming it's much drier there so there may not be as much of the marshy aspect going on). the usage of the word here is about an area that is sometimes marshy. the erosion control or over flow water control aspects are not even mentioned in the definition (Middle English origin should give you a better way of seeing how the usage has shifted). The function of swales is to slow down rain run off and let the water soak in and recharge the soil with moisture. Thus swales work well in both arid and dry temperate zones where the rainfall can come in fast and furious bursts (like from passing storms) but where the rain is not sustainedfor a long time. They probably also work in high rainfall areas to slow the flow of water across a clandscape but where they arent' necesarrily needed to give much needed soil moisture. yes, i'm aware of the function of them, sorry to have confused you to think i wasn't. :-)) Well now youv'e got me wondering about dams and swales and diffeirng usage etc. I'm off travelling for a few weeks so will be mute from today for a while. Bon voyage. Gute reise. Hasta luego. -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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FarmI wrote:
"songbird" wrote in message ... FarmI wrote: songbird wrote: FarmI wrote: songbird wrote: ... all very interesting. in other arid climates with no severe drains/gullies you can line rocks across the ground and they will act as a water catch when it rains to slow down the water so that more soaks in. Standard practice in permaculture and other forms of land management but usually it's contour forming on farmland using a tractor/dozer and uses earth. They're called swales. ah, the usage i'm familiar with for those is a sometimes marshy ground, not a particularly made structure -- though i can see how the term would be adapted/adopted for them too. the made structures i would call dams. Absolutley not a dam. They are just earthwork contour gutters (for want of a better word to describe them). *nods* yes, i know of what you speak, i was just nattering about how the usage is different. ???? Your dams are used differently or swales are used differently? usage of the word "swales" to describe... here i call places seeps are catches where i gather water from a harder rain. i wouldn't call them swales because they are not marshy. But swales don't have to be marshy and in fact I don't think I've ever seen one that could be called marshy. likely a climate/country related shift in usage (i'm assuming it's much drier there so there may not be as much of the marshy aspect going on). the usage of the word here is about an area that is sometimes marshy. the erosion control or over flow water control aspects are not even mentioned in the definition (Middle English origin should give you a better way of seeing how the usage has shifted). The function of swales is to slow down rain run off and let the water soak in and recharge the soil with moisture. Thus swales work well in both arid and dry temperate zones where the rainfall can come in fast and furious bursts (like from passing storms) but where the rain is not sustainedfor a long time. They probably also work in high rainfall areas to slow the flow of water across a clandscape but where they arent' necesarrily needed to give much needed soil moisture. yes, i'm aware of the function of them, sorry to have confused you to think i wasn't. :-)) Well now youv'e got me wondering about dams and swales and diffeirng usage etc. haha, i hope the above makes it clearer. I'm off travelling for a few weeks so will be mute from today for a while. safe journeys. songbird |
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On Sep 10, 10:07*pm, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message As usual, gunny has lots of opinions, but no citations to back up his wacky assertions. Why bother reading him? *I can't remember him ever having written anything about gardening and if he ever did, it wasn't memorable so as far as I'm concerned there is no point in reading him and seldom bother to read any responses to him. There are other forums where I read 'tall tales and true from the legendary past' if I feel the need to do so but this place, for me, is about gardening and chewing the fat with people who have a simialr interest. *He never seemed to have any interest in anything other than being an arrogant loud mouth. Yes billy's tall tales BS does seem to be on a lot of NGs. He seems to continuously keeps putting up this kind of crap along with his infamous 12 line of political BS. Funny he was the one So you giving up on sucker punching Americans, farmanal? I think billy is enough of an apologist for us all, he really sucks up well, doesn't he? BTW, have you tried Hormone Replacement therapy yet? you and billy both seem to be a good candidates. I'm sure his gynecologist could help him. |
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On Sep 10, 6:40*pm, songbird wrote:
Gunner wrote: Dude, go back and read the article, specifically the part : "The agroforestry crops are a mix of fruit trees, corn, cover crops, and climbing-vine crops" not native crops!!!!! That's twice you meandered around the topic so its either a ploy or you're not following. Either case, the land has too many people to support it, period. Time for man to help man find new employment. |
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Gunner wrote:
songbird wrote: Gunner wrote: Dude, go back and read the article, specifically the part : "The agroforestry crops are a mix of fruit trees, corn, cover crops, and climbing-vine crops" not native crops!!!!! i have no idea what they are using and if any of them are native or not (corn, etc. could all be suitable native strains). That's twice you meandered around the topic so its either a ploy or you're not following. i'm not following, your critique of the article implied you didn't want any subsidies so i said there is another way of doing reforestation and agriculture that does not use subsidies and then i described what it was. consider it a tangent or additional comment to the article. Either case, the land has too many people to support it, period. Time for man to help man find new employment. that is true globally, where will they go? songbird |
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On Sep 13, 8:04*pm, songbird wrote:
Gunner wrote: songbird wrote: Gunner wrote: Dude, go back and read the article, specifically the part : "The agroforestry crops are a mix of fruit trees, corn, cover crops, and climbing-vine crops" not native crops!!!!! * i have no idea what they are using and if any of them are native or not (corn, etc. could all be suitable native strains). That's twice you meandered around the topic so its either a ploy or you're not following. * i'm not following, your critique of the article implied you didn't want any subsidies so i said there is another way of doing reforestation and agriculture that does not use subsidies and then i described what it was. consider it a tangent or additional comment to the article. Either case, the land has too many people to support it, period. *Time for man to help man find new employment. * that is true globally, where will they go? * songbird Out of a desert that cannot support them! |
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Hi All,
I recomend a brain transplant for Gunner a-s-a-p. Richard M. Watkin. "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Sep 10, 10:07 pm, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Billy" wrote in message As usual, gunny has lots of opinions, but no citations to back up his wacky assertions. Why bother reading him? I can't remember him ever having written anything about gardening and if he ever did, it wasn't memorable so as far as I'm concerned there is no point in reading him and seldom bother to read any responses to him. There are other forums where I read 'tall tales and true from the legendary past' if I feel the need to do so but this place, for me, is about gardening and chewing the fat with people who have a simialr interest. He never seemed to have any interest in anything other than being an arrogant loud mouth. Yes billy's tall tales BS does seem to be on a lot of NGs. He seems to continuously keeps putting up this kind of crap along with his infamous 12 line of political BS. Funny he was the one So you giving up on sucker punching Americans, farmanal? I think billy is enough of an apologist for us all, he really sucks up well, doesn't he? BTW, have you tried Hormone Replacement therapy yet? you and billy both seem to be a good candidates. I'm sure his gynecologist could help him. |
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On Sep 15, 3:14*am, "R M Watkin" wrote:
Hi All, I recomend a brain transplant for Gunner a-s-a-p. Richard M. Watkin. Oh, its you... Dick! |
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