Is there a place where I can find apples which have not grown near
crab apple trees, for planting seedlings?

I heard that phyto-hormones make seed sterile. If it is true, I would
avoid that also.

Look around for yards with a few apple trees that don't have a crab
apple real near by. You could spot these in the spring when they
bloom. If you explain what you are doing, I'm sure the owner would
at least let you have some damaged fruit to save seeds from.
By the way, what ARE you doing? Are you hoping to get good apples
from seed? I can't think of any other reason why you would care if
they were pollinated by a crab apple or not.

Steve


Mihai Cartoaje wrote:

Is there a place where I can find apples which have not grown near
crab apple trees, for planting seedlings?

I heard that phyto-hormones make seed sterile. If it is true, I would
avoid that also.

Yes Steve,
Sounds like he is trying to propagate apple trees from seeds. He must
be a gambling man. I personally would not spend a lot of time raising
an
apple tree from a seed. Even if the tree were self-fertile, the outcome
would be questionable, yet alone hoping that no bee flew a few miles
from
some other tree to pollinate your tree.
There is a thing called recessive genes, which come more into play
when
growing from seeds (more so in apples than say peaches). When people
fool
around with developing new varieties, they plan a large quantity of
these seeds,
and maybe if they are lucky, something improved will come out.
In your case, you may not even get an equivalent apple.
Just learn to do grafting, not exactly rocket science, and you can be
sure
of the outcome of your new tree.

Sherwin Dubren

Steve wrote:

Look around for yards with a few apple trees that don't have a crab
apple real near by. You could spot these in the spring when they
bloom. If you explain what you are doing, I'm sure the owner would
at least let you have some damaged fruit to save seeds from.
By the way, what ARE you doing? Are you hoping to get good apples
from seed? I can't think of any other reason why you would care if
they were pollinated by a crab apple or not.

Steve

Mihai Cartoaje wrote:

Is there a place where I can find apples which have not grown near
crab apple trees, for planting seedlings?

I heard that phyto-hormones make seed sterile. If it is true, I would
avoid that also.

Steve wrote in message ...

By the way, what ARE you doing? Are you hoping to get good apples
from seed? I can't think of any other reason why you would care if
they were pollinated by a crab apple or not.

I have learned honeycrisp apples trees which would grow in my area, so
I might plant one. I shall still plant seedlings to help apple trees.
U. Minnesota has done it and it has found the honeycrisp.

mihai
47N, -40C in winter

Steve wrote in message ...

By the way, what ARE you doing? Are you hoping to get good apples
from seed? I can't think of any other reason why you would care if
they were pollinated by a crab apple or not.

I have learned honeycrisp apples trees which would grow in my area, so
I might plant one. I shall still plant seedlings to help apple trees.
U. Minnesota has done it and it has found the honeycrisp.

mihai
47N, -40C in winter

Steve wrote in message ...

By the way, what ARE you doing? Are you hoping to get good apples
from seed? I can't think of any other reason why you would care if
they were pollinated by a crab apple or not.

I have learned honeycrisp apples trees which would grow in my area, so
I might plant one. I shall still plant seedlings to help apple trees.
U. Minnesota has done it and it has found the honeycrisp.

mihai
47N, -40C in winter

Mihai,
Perhaps you missed my point. U. of Minnesota might have planted
hundreds of seeds before they found a winner. Plus, who knows what
other genetic tricks these universities do to control their breeding.
I admire your fortitude, but I prefer to let the big people do the leg
work.
Most apples planted from seeds come out junk.
Before you waste a lot of your time, take a look at this article on
'Engineering the Apple', which goes into lots of detail about the
genetics
of apple trees, and how orchardists do it:


http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml

Sherwin Dubren




Mihai Cartoaje wrote:

Steve wrote in message ...

By the way, what ARE you doing? Are you hoping to get good apples
from seed? I can't think of any other reason why you would care if
they were pollinated by a crab apple or not.

I have learned honeycrisp apples trees which would grow in my area, so
I might plant one. I shall still plant seedlings to help apple trees.
U. Minnesota has done it and it has found the honeycrisp.

mihai
47N, -40C in winter

Mihai,
Perhaps you missed my point. U. of Minnesota might have planted
hundreds of seeds before they found a winner. Plus, who knows what
other genetic tricks these universities do to control their breeding.
I admire your fortitude, but I prefer to let the big people do the leg
work.
Most apples planted from seeds come out junk.
Before you waste a lot of your time, take a look at this article on
'Engineering the Apple', which goes into lots of detail about the
genetics
of apple trees, and how orchardists do it:


http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml

Sherwin Dubren




Mihai Cartoaje wrote:

Steve wrote in message ...

By the way, what ARE you doing? Are you hoping to get good apples
from seed? I can't think of any other reason why you would care if
they were pollinated by a crab apple or not.

I have learned honeycrisp apples trees which would grow in my area, so
I might plant one. I shall still plant seedlings to help apple trees.
U. Minnesota has done it and it has found the honeycrisp.

mihai
47N, -40C in winter

Mihai Cartoaje wrote:
I have learned honeycrisp apples trees which would grow in my area, so
I might plant one. I shall still plant seedlings to help apple trees.
U. Minnesota has done it and it has found the honeycrisp.

mihai
47N, -40C in winter

I haven't tasted a honeycrisp apple yet but they say they are very
good. Two+ years ago, I grafted honeycrisp scions on two existing
trees. One as a side branch and one as the top. They made a very few
flowers last year but didn't set any fruit. With any luck at all,
this should be the year I finally get to taste a home grown honeycrisp.

Steve in the Adirondacks
only 44N but we get to -40C here too sometimes. -35F is more often
the low for the year.

Somehow my reply got dropped (at least from my end), so I'm posting
again.


Mihai,
Perhaps you missed my point. U. of Minnesota might have planted
hundreds of seeds before they found a winner. Plus, who knows what
other genetic tricks these universities do to control their breeding.
I admire your fortitude, but I prefer to let the big people do the leg
work.
Most apples planted from seeds come out junk.
Before you waste a lot of your time, take a look at this article on
'Engineering the Apple', which goes into lots of detail about the
genetics
of apple trees, and how orchardists do it:


http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml

Sherwin Dubren



Mihai Cartoaje wrote:

Steve wrote in message ...

By the way, what ARE you doing? Are you hoping to get good apples
from seed? I can't think of any other reason why you would care if
they were pollinated by a crab apple or not.

I have learned honeycrisp apples trees which would grow in my area, so
I might plant one. I shall still plant seedlings to help apple trees.
U. Minnesota has done it and it has found the honeycrisp.

mihai
47N, -40C in winter

Somehow my reply got dropped (at least from my end), so I'm posting
again.


Mihai,
Perhaps you missed my point. U. of Minnesota might have planted
hundreds of seeds before they found a winner. Plus, who knows what
other genetic tricks these universities do to control their breeding.
I admire your fortitude, but I prefer to let the big people do the leg
work.
Most apples planted from seeds come out junk.
Before you waste a lot of your time, take a look at this article on
'Engineering the Apple', which goes into lots of detail about the
genetics
of apple trees, and how orchardists do it:


http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml

Sherwin Dubren



Mihai Cartoaje wrote:

Steve wrote in message ...

By the way, what ARE you doing? Are you hoping to get good apples
from seed? I can't think of any other reason why you would care if
they were pollinated by a crab apple or not.

I have learned honeycrisp apples trees which would grow in my area, so
I might plant one. I shall still plant seedlings to help apple trees.
U. Minnesota has done it and it has found the honeycrisp.

mihai
47N, -40C in winter

il Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:11:19 GMT, Sherwin Dubren ha scritto:

Mihai,
Perhaps you missed my point. U. of Minnesota might have planted
hundreds of seeds before they found a winner. Plus, who knows what
other genetic tricks these universities do to control their breeding.
I admire your fortitude, but I prefer to let the big people do the leg
work.
Most apples planted from seeds come out junk.
Before you waste a lot of your time, take a look at this article on
'Engineering the Apple', which goes into lots of detail about the
genetics of apple trees, and how orchardists do it:

My understanding is that fruit trees grown from seed may take 8 years
to fruit, those from cuttings, several years less. As for seed
variability, start studying genetics. :-) It's complicated also by
whether the seeds come from a hybrid or not and how they pollinate
etc. Check a seed saving site and read what they say about genetics
too.
--
Cheers,
Loki [ Brevity is the soul of wit. W.Shakespeare ]

On 11 Mar 2004 04:58:16 -0800, (Mihai Cartoaje)
wrote:

Is there a place where I can find apples which have not grown near
crab apple trees, for planting seedlings?

See the thread on 'Apples for seed.'

Sherwin Dubren wrote in message ...

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml

I have read it with interest.

mihai
47N, -40C in winter

Sherwin Dubren wrote in message ...


Perhaps you missed my point. U. of Minnesota might have planted
hundreds of seeds before they found a winner. Plus, who knows what
other genetic tricks these universities do to control their breeding.

the site,

http://www.honeycrisp.org/block.htm

reads,

"In 1991 the Experimental Station, just north of Sturgeon Bay on
Highway 42, received four seedling trees to plant in their test block.
By 1995 the trees were producing apples of such excellent eating and
storage quality there was no difficulty recommending the variety to
the local apple orchards. Honeycrisps are being harvested and sold at
the Wood Orchards and the Seaquist Orchards, while the Lautenbach
Orchard's Honeycrisp trees are probably a year or so away from fruit
production.'"

Are seeds in the same apple identical or have they used tech from area
51?