Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni

On 4 Aug 2006 09:14:13 -0700, wrote:

Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

I have several different pine trees in my yard. In one area there's a
high water table and that doesn't seem to hurt them.

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

It is better to plant different kinds of plants. There has been a
pine beetle issue in the past.

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?


The best pines are those that are native to your area. If you can dig
some up on the edge of a wooded area that would work well.

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni

Phisherman wrote:
On 4 Aug 2006 09:14:13 -0700, wrote:

Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

I have several different pine trees in my yard. In one area there's a
high water table and that doesn't seem to hurt them.

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

It is better to plant different kinds of plants. There has been a
pine beetle issue in the past.

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?


The best pines are those that are native to your area. If you can dig
some up on the edge of a wooded area that would work well.

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni

Thank you for your reply!

I am a total novice to the subject. Is there any soil test or some
other test I can do in order to determine why the trees are dying? Or,
is inviting a specialist my only chance to solve this problem?

Thanks.

Evgueni

On 4 Aug 2006 14:38:32 -0700, wrote:


Phisherman wrote:
On 4 Aug 2006 09:14:13 -0700, wrote:

Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

I have several different pine trees in my yard. In one area there's a
high water table and that doesn't seem to hurt them.

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

It is better to plant different kinds of plants. There has been a
pine beetle issue in the past.

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?


The best pines are those that are native to your area. If you can dig
some up on the edge of a wooded area that would work well.

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni

Thank you for your reply!

I am a total novice to the subject. Is there any soil test or some
other test I can do in order to determine why the trees are dying? Or,
is inviting a specialist my only chance to solve this problem?

Thanks.

Evgueni


A tree specialist can help, although "house calls" can be expensive.
You can take a sample to your co-operative extension service and they
may be able to help you.

wrote:
Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni


Well, some more info might help suggest the correct approach,; how old
are the pines? recently planted ot long established? Has there been a
recent , drastic change in e drainage/water conditions near the pines?
Are there other pines, plants/trees in the area that are suffering? has
there been any landscaping, soil treatments, chemical use or other work
near/under the pines?

Pond Cypress and Bald Cypress can tolerate a wide variety of moisture
conditions, though they are conifers, Bald Cypress will lose their
'leaves' in winter.

If you consider the replacement cost of even a single large tree, hiring
an arborist to help save several is cheap insurance.

Carl


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Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni


Plant a weeping willow, they are known for solving watery-yard issues.

I have a bunch of Eastern White Pines on my property which also sits on a high
water table. I have no issues with my pines. Matter of fact they are growing a
little be too much for my liking. I took extra precaution when planting. They
were planted high. My guess is that your pines were planted too low. Can you
see the trunk flare? Even if you can see it, if they are sitting on a high
water table, they chould of been mound planted.
wrote:

Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni

If that part of your backyard is low or the soil has poor drainage, you might
consider
leveling it off. Another possibility is to actually do a type of raised bed
using mulch
and soil. This may give you the drainage the pines require. No evergreen I
know of
is happy sitting in saturated soil all the time. As mentioned already, getting
some
advise from an arborist or an extension service would be helpful. I would also
examine the trees for any sign of insects, blistering, or any other type of
attack.

Sherwin D.

wrote:

Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni

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Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni


Do a Google search using the name of your state along with the words
"cooperative extension". You'll get a bunch of results. These are services
run by universities within each state which have agricultural departments,
and as far as I know, they all offer assistance to homeowners as well as
farmers. Here in NY, advice is free and soil tests are $1.00 each. However,
soil tests (for pH and nutrients) usually begin by drying the soil samples
completely, so they're not going to be able to tell you if the area's too
dry or wet for your particular trees. So, begin with a discussion and some
advice.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni


Do a Google search using the name of your state along with the words
"cooperative extension". You'll get a bunch of results. These are services
run by universities within each state which have agricultural departments,
and as far as I know, they all offer assistance to homeowners as well as
farmers. Here in NY, advice is free and soil tests are $1.00 each.
However, soil tests (for pH and nutrients) usually begin by drying the
soil samples completely, so they're not going to be able to tell you if
the area's too dry or wet for your particular trees. So, begin with a
discussion and some advice.


Could be "Pine Bark Beetles"


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J.C. wrote:
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Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni

Do a Google search using the name of your state along with the words
"cooperative extension". You'll get a bunch of results. These are services
run by universities within each state which have agricultural departments,
and as far as I know, they all offer assistance to homeowners as well as
farmers. Here in NY, advice is free and soil tests are $1.00 each.
However, soil tests (for pH and nutrients) usually begin by drying the
soil samples completely, so they're not going to be able to tell you if
the area's too dry or wet for your particular trees. So, begin with a
discussion and some advice.


Could be "Pine Bark Beetles"

These beetles are killing long-established trees all over southern
California. In local national forests, the dead trees contributed to
the very severe wild fires we had just a few years ago.

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Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni

Do a Google search using the name of your state along with the words
"cooperative extension". You'll get a bunch of results. These are services
run by universities within each state which have agricultural departments,
and as far as I know, they all offer assistance to homeowners as well as
farmers. Here in NY, advice is free and soil tests are $1.00 each.
However, soil tests (for pH and nutrients) usually begin by drying the
soil samples completely, so they're not going to be able to tell you if
the area's too dry or wet for your particular trees. So, begin with a
discussion and some advice.


Could be "Pine Bark Beetles"

These beetles are killing long-established trees all over southern
California. In local national forests, the dead trees contributed to
the very severe wild fires we had just a few years ago.

--

David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com/

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my http://www.rossde.com/PGP/

Thank you very much for all your replies.

The pines are young 1 to 3 years. In the beginning of June I installed
a sprinkler system because a new sod was installed. I watered three
times a day for a month, and I noticed that some of the niddles started
to turn yellow. I then minimized the sprinklers in the backyard (where
the pines are) to twice a week. A month has passed since then and just
now some pines turned completelly dry. I must also mention that I am in
St Louis, Missouri and we did have very hot two past weeks. So, I am
still not sure -- is it water related, and if it's -- too much or too
little?

Here is a URL to some pictures of the pines:

http://www.rusmex.com/pines/pines.html

Thanks a lot for your help!

Evgueni

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wrote in message
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Hello,

I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

I talked to some people and they told me that this is because there
is
too much water in the back of my yard. I tried to fix the water
problem, but the pines keep dying. So, I was wondering if you could
help me with some of the questions I have:

1. Is that a fact that pines don't like water? Could that be the
reverse -- there is not enough water or yellow needles is a clear
indication of a water problem?

2. Assuming there is too much water, is there a water resistant
evergreen that I can plant instead of white pines? Are all pines the
same, or some of them are more resilient to water problem?

3. I was wondering about Green Giants -- are they more resilient than
pines?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Evgueni

Do a Google search using the name of your state along with the words
"cooperative extension". You'll get a bunch of results. These are
services
run by universities within each state which have agricultural
departments,
and as far as I know, they all offer assistance to homeowners as well
as
farmers. Here in NY, advice is free and soil tests are $1.00 each.
However, soil tests (for pH and nutrients) usually begin by drying the
soil samples completely, so they're not going to be able to tell you
if
the area's too dry or wet for your particular trees. So, begin with a
discussion and some advice.


Could be "Pine Bark Beetles"

These beetles are killing long-established trees all over southern
California. In local national forests, the dead trees contributed to
the very severe wild fires we had just a few years ago.

--

David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com/

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my http://www.rossde.com/PGP/

Thank you very much for all your replies.

The pines are young 1 to 3 years. In the beginning of June I installed
a sprinkler system because a new sod was installed. I watered three
times a day for a month, and I noticed that some of the niddles started
to turn yellow. I then minimized the sprinklers in the backyard (where
the pines are) to twice a week. A month has passed since then and just
now some pines turned completelly dry. I must also mention that I am in
St Louis, Missouri and we did have very hot two past weeks. So, I am
still not sure -- is it water related, and if it's -- too much or too
little?

Here is a URL to some pictures of the pines:

http://www.rusmex.com/pines/pines.html

Thanks a lot for your help!

Evgueni


The best way to think about whether a tree is getting too much or too little
water is to ask yourself, "who waters the trees in a forest, and how often
do they do it".


--
J.C.

writes:
I bought a house that has 20 white pines planted in the backyard to
provide a privacy shield for the neighbors. The problem is that pines
are dying one by one -- the needles become yellow and then the whole
pine dries up.

Any likelihood that the neighbours are poisoning the trees, since they
block their view?
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)