Actually, I never once suggested landowners don't hire me. You're crazy
as hell. I'm as busy as I've ever been with several large parcel owning
clients that continue returning.

Go do something worthwhile like prune your monocultures. *laugh*

Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(Geoff-consulting forester in the US) says...
What do you know, blow hard? Why don't you go thin your 15 year old
plantations and see how much you can sell them for *grin*

You know how much they are worth? $0.00 *grin*

Hey - if you pay me normal rate + a special anti-ethics fee* + a one way
round trip air fare to whatever portion of the Western forest you live
in, I could come up with a high appraisal figure using the kind of
creative accounting that corporate America uses to over value their stocks.

And this the guy who whines endlessly on alt.forestry that land owners
don't want to hire him. He's one that knows *less* than 10% of what he
thinks he knows.

In article BqHxi.59$wr3.9@trndny04, (Joe) says...
Larry, what's your problem? You end up ridiculing the small number of
foresters who actually bother to participate here. The other 99.99%, who
live off the taxpayers or who simply feed wood raw material to mills, and
the hundreds of academics- don't bother to participate because there's no
way for them to control the dialogue, and they're too hooked into the party
line for open discussion. Rather than rant against those few of us who
actually earn a living doing real forestry in the private sector, where we
need to continually serve our clients well, or lose their "good will"- try
getting those others here and you'll have no luck. I've tried participating
in forums set up by the SAF and the Guild and others, and they're all
nothing but the same old tired party line- say anything against THEIR party
line, and they throw you out. Here, everyone enjoys full freedom of speech.
So, if you don't like what we say, why not just ignore that message.

I don't so much ridicule as despise, and that is only restricted to you
east coast weirdos who think you are god's gift to the people who
actually own the land and care for it. From where I sit, it looks like
you are a bunch of phony landscapers with a hypothetical axe to grind,
not real foresters at all. I would be fascinated to talk to some of
your ex-victims to find out how much "good will" you actually leave
behind you. Your contempt for the landowner is obvious. One of you is
so vicious that I actually killfiled a forester in a forestry news group
just so I wouldn't have to read his continual vitriol. As you
suggested, I normally ignore most of your trash talk, but this thread
was crossposted to other groups. I wouldn't want anyone to think that
you clowns are in any way representative of the forestry industry.

Fortunately, there are some real foresters who also frequent this
newsgroup.

--
For email, replace firstnamelastinitial
with my first name and last initial.

In article ,
Geoff-consulting forester in the US wrote:

Actually, I never once suggested landowners don't hire me. You're crazy
as hell. I'm as busy as I've ever been with several large parcel owning
clients that continue returning.

Go do something worthwhile like prune your monocultures. *laugh*

Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(Geoff-consulting forester in the US) says...
What do you know, blow hard? Why don't you go thin your 15 year old
plantations and see how much you can sell them for *grin*

You know how much they are worth? $0.00 *grin*

Hey - if you pay me normal rate + a special anti-ethics fee* + a one way
round trip air fare to whatever portion of the Western forest you live
in, I could come up with a high appraisal figure using the kind of
creative accounting that corporate America uses to over value their stocks.

And this the guy who whines endlessly on alt.forestry that land owners
don't want to hire him. He's one that knows *less* than 10% of what he
thinks he knows.


Well look who's back, ol' sewer mouth.

Geoff Kegerreis Consulting forester,

Timberline Forestry Consulting LLC
13814 19 Mile Rd.
LeRoy, Michigan
49655

Telephone:
office
(231) 829-3336

Let the effluent flow Sparky:-)
--
FB - FFF

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Geoff-consulting forester in the US wrote:

Actually, I never once suggested landowners don't hire me. You're crazy
as hell. I'm as busy as I've ever been with several large parcel owning
clients that continue returning.

Go do something worthwhile like prune your monocultures. *laugh*

Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(Geoff-consulting forester in the US) says...
What do you know, blow hard? Why don't you go thin your 15 year old
plantations and see how much you can sell them for *grin*

You know how much they are worth? $0.00 *grin*

Hey - if you pay me normal rate + a special anti-ethics fee* + a one way
round trip air fare to whatever portion of the Western forest you live
in, I could come up with a high appraisal figure using the kind of
creative accounting that corporate America uses to over value their
stocks.

And this the guy who whines endlessly on alt.forestry that land owners
don't want to hire him. He's one that knows *less* than 10% of what he
thinks he knows.


Well look who's back, ol' sewer mouth.

Geoff Kegerreis Consulting forester,

Timberline Forestry Consulting LLC
13814 19 Mile Rd.
LeRoy, Michigan
49655

http://www.timberlineforestry.com/

Telephone:
office
(231) 829-3336

Let the effluent flow Sparky:-)
--
FB - FFF

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Billy wrote:

snipped

Now I remember why I'm not reading rec.gardens.

Peace anyways,

Kate

"Billy" wrote in message
...

Well look who's back, ol' sewer mouth.

Well look who's back, ol' cross posting ass hole Billy.

In article ,
kate wrote:

Billy wrote:

snipped

Now I remember why I'm not reading rec.gardens.

Peace anyways,

Kate

You have a strange sense of values Kate. Let's revisit what your gallant
misogynist had to say to a young mother who posts on rec.gardens.

--------
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:56:33 -0400
From: Geoff-consulting forester in the US
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: rec.gardens,alt.great-lakes,alt.forestry


"By the way, Rachel - I always got a hard-on for chicks named Rachel - .
I mean, seriously are they ALL hot or WHAT? Wanna ****? Don't tell my
wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
---------

I'm afraid your hero had another type of "peace" in mind from the one
you offered.

Sadly, they just don't make heros like they used to.

What's a nice girl like you doing hanging out with foul mouth vermin
like Geoff, Joe, and Don? A big vulgar mouth isn't macho. It's pitiful.

At least you seem to know herbs.
--
FB - FFF

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

In article
,
Billy wrote:


Billy wrote:

snipped

Now I remember why I'm not reading rec.gardens.

Peace anyways,

Kate

You have a strange sense of values Kate. Let's revisit what your gallant
misogynist had to say to a young mother who posts on rec.gardens.

--------
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:56:33 -0400
From: Geoff-consulting forester in the US
(a.k.a. Geoff Kegerreis,
13814 19 Mile Road,
Le Roy MI 49655-

www.timberlineforestry.com)

User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: rec.gardens,alt.great-lakes,alt.forestry


"By the way, Rachel - I always got a hard-on for chicks named Rachel - .
I mean, seriously are they ALL hot or WHAT? Wanna ****? Don't tell my
wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
"Don't tell my wife!"
---------

I'm afraid your hero had another type of "peace" in mind from the one
you offered.

Sadly, they just don't make heros like they used to.

What's a nice girl like you doing hanging out with foul mouth vermin
like Geoff, Joe, and Don? A big vulgar mouth isn't macho. It's pitiful.

At least you seem to know herbs.
--
FB - FFF

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Billy wrote:
Billy wrote:

snipped

Now I remember why I'm not reading rec.gardens.

Peace anyways,

Kate

You have a strange sense of values Kate. Let's revisit what your gallant
misogynist had to say to a young mother who posts on rec.gardens.

*snip*

I'm afraid your hero had another type of "peace" in mind from the one
you offered.

Sadly, they just don't make heros like they used to.

What's a nice girl like you doing hanging out with foul mouth vermin
like Geoff, Joe, and Don? A big vulgar mouth isn't macho. It's pitiful.

At least you seem to know herbs.

Hey Billy,

What's with the repost? Are you trying to advertise for me?

(j/k)

Rae

On Aug 18, 3:06 pm, "Joe" wrote:
Larry, what's your problem? You end up ridiculing the small number of
foresters who actually bother to participate here. The other 99.99%, who
live off the taxpayers or who simply feed wood raw material to mills, and
the hundreds of academics- don't bother to participate because there's no
way for them to control the dialogue, and they're too hooked into the party
line for open discussion. Rather than rant against those few of us who
actually earn a living doing real forestry in the private sector, where we
need to continually serve our clients well, or lose their "good will"- try
getting those others here and you'll have no luck. I've tried participating
in forums set up by the SAF and the Guild and others, and they're all
nothing but the same old tired party line- say anything against THEIR party
line, and they throw you out. Here, everyone enjoys full freedom of speech.
So, if you don't like what we say, why not just ignore that message.

I've delete rec.gardens and alt.great-lakes. I suggest that the foresters
here always do the same and we'll get back to real forestry discussions. I
suggest that Mr. Tree Biologist do the same.

Joe


Hey Joe!

As usual you speak the language of us grunt foresters who actually
earn their own way in the woods doing the right thing rather than
suckin' off the taxpayer's tit like Caldwell does.
It is true that MA is a small state with only about 3 million acres of
forest land with 25% in public ownership. So we have about 2.2 million
acres of private land here. If a private sector consulting forester
needs at least 10,000 acres to make a go of it, then theoretically
there could be room for about 220 consulting foresters here. However,
there are only about 30 of us in the whole state and only about 15% of
private forest land is managed to any reasonable standard. So what
happened? The MA forest bureaucracy has spent hundreds of millions of
dollars "promoting" good forestry in the last 1/2 century but the
legacy that has been left is that the vast majority of private forest
land has been plundered by the timber thieves and its future forest
productivity mortgaged. The timber thieves got rich and the forest
bureaucrats, who issued the permits for this forest destruction, grew
fat and now waddle around the woods with their pot bellies hanging
over their belts. Consulting foresters have been squeezed out.
Multiply this by all 50 states to understand that this problem is
national in scope. I've heard tales of destruction from consulting
foresters all over the country. From Maine to NY down to Virginia,
West Virginia, up to the Lake States and beyond. It is a tale of
forest destruction aided and abetted by corrupt and dysfunctional
forest bureaucracies across the country.
So Larry boy I know where you hail from the majority of forest land is
owned by the Feds. Perhaps you don't believe in private ownership at
all. Well SAF did have it right once. They called you all the "Forest
Soviet".

We're making progress here in MA and when we win, perhaps we can be a
model for other states. In May, I testified for one of our bills and
next month I'll testify for another bill we filed.The concept is
simple: all commercial timber harvesting will be prescribed and
supervised by Licensed Foresters and all timber harvests will be for
good silviculture.We will then have the same rights as other
professions and then we can begin the massive job of forest
restoration on private land that the corrupt forest bureaucracy
allowed to be destroyed. Then I will go to UMass and tell the forestry
students that they don't have to wish to be a burro when they graduate
because there will lots of business opportunities for consultants. We
can grow from 30 to at least a hundred! The concept is simple. We
should be growing private sector forestry businesses rather than pot-
bellied burro parasites.

Mike

PS: Yeah you're right Joe, the burros get upset when they can't
control the dialogue. They only believe in "burro speech". Well I'll
continue to take names and kick ass and I really don't give a flyin'
fu** who likes it or who doesn't like it.

"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." -
Albert Einstein

rachael simpson expounded:

Hey Billy,

What's with the repost? Are you trying to advertise for me?

Nevermind that, what's with continuing this bs in rec.gardens? (
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

In article ,
Ann wrote:

rachael simpson expounded:

Hey Billy,

What's with the repost? Are you trying to advertise for me?

Nevermind that, what's with continuing this bs in rec.gardens? (

But this is where I found it. There was a day when this jerk would have
been taken out back of the barn.
--
FB - FFF

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Ann wrote:

rachael simpson expounded:

Hey Billy,

What's with the repost? Are you trying to advertise for me?
Nevermind that, what's with continuing this bs in rec.gardens? (

But this is where I found it. There was a day when this jerk would have
been taken out back of the barn.

Yeah, I've been keeping this one from the hubby as well...

If he were to see it...!

(being a cowboy, he fancies himself as the last of a breed. Think john
wayne characters/woodrow call (lonesome dove, for those who don't know).
You get the picture...

Thanks for taking up for me though.

Rae