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Question on Tobacco Tea
I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of
the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"McGerm" wrote in message
... I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim Question: What bug problems are you trying to deal with? In other words, I assume you have sat in the garden with bug identification books, and specifically identified all the different bugs you see. Please tell me which "bad" bugs you're trying to get rid of. I'm asking because it never makes sense to create extra work for yourself if there's no reason to do so. And, the tea you're thinking of making could also kill beneficial insects. I will eagerly await your complete list of bugs you've identified. |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It
was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"McGerm" wrote in message
... The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. I don't care who presented it. Did he say the tobacco tea would only kill the problem bugs? Do you realize that you need bugs to pollinate some of your vegetables? |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"McGerm" wrote in message ... I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim Sounds like you got hold of some Jerry Baker schlock. Our PBS stations stopped carrying his programs years ago as well as his Sunday radio programs. More than a few organic gardening groups suggested he be strung up by the thumbs. The NW Flower and Garden show hasn't had him for a speaker in years because of the flack they got from "real" garden educators and the Master Gardeners Association about his misinformation and use of the unearned title "Master Gardener". I was riveted in the doorway (early 90s as I recall) when passing by one his seminars (everyone loves a good train wreck) when a gentleman stood and introduced himself as a professor and head of the U of W Horticultural Dept and went into a "what the hell are you thinking" demanding for a basis of his unfounded and potentially harmful formulas. Ol' Jerry was red in the face and sputtering when he just walked off the stage without replying......so ended a very short seminar. Never saw him again on the roster of speakers. Here's an article you might find interesting. Rather enlightening about his qualifications and expertise. http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4DMG/Whats/jbaker.htm Val |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"Val" wrote in message
... "McGerm" wrote in message ... I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim Sounds like you got hold of some Jerry Baker schlock. Our PBS stations stopped carrying his programs years ago as well as his Sunday radio programs. More than a few organic gardening groups suggested he be strung up by the thumbs. The NW Flower and Garden show hasn't had him for a speaker in years because of the flack they got from "real" garden educators and the Master Gardeners Association about his misinformation and use of the unearned title "Master Gardener". I was riveted in the doorway (early 90s as I recall) when passing by one his seminars (everyone loves a good train wreck) when a gentleman stood and introduced himself as a professor and head of the U of W Horticultural Dept and went into a "what the hell are you thinking" demanding for a basis of his unfounded and potentially harmful formulas. Ol' Jerry was red in the face and sputtering when he just walked off the stage without replying......so ended a very short seminar. Never saw him again on the roster of speakers. Here's an article you might find interesting. Rather enlightening about his qualifications and expertise. http://www.coopext.colostate.edu/4DMG/Whats/jbaker.htm Val Interesting! Thanks. To the OP: Go to www.powells.com and find a used copy of "Crockett's Victory Garden", by James Underwood Crockett. Do everything he does..... ***********EXCEPT********** ......that you should ignore all his advice about the endless use of sprays & powders. He went way overboard. Maybe that's what killed him. Ignore all of it until you've managed to locate your public library and brought home some books (made of paper). |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
McGerm wrote in
oups.com: The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. Jerry Baker is a garden quack. if you really like your yard & garden, please do not follow his silly formulas & poor advice. lee |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"McGerm" wrote in message ... non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. If it were prudent to be treating *everything* bad before it appears wouldn't that liken to everyone with a stray dog, skunk, squirrel wandering within 5 miles go in for 10 days of Rabies treatment just because? And what is "non-toxic" about tobacco and antiseptic mouth wash? What you spray up will drip down, never mind that you are killing everything good, bad or otherwise for no rational reason....what do you think this stuff will do to earthworms when it leaches into the soil? Val |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"Val" wrote in message
... "McGerm" wrote in message ... non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. If it were prudent to be treating *everything* bad before it appears wouldn't that liken to everyone with a stray dog, skunk, squirrel wandering within 5 miles go in for 10 days of Rabies treatment just because? And what is "non-toxic" about tobacco and antiseptic mouth wash? What you spray up will drip down, never mind that you are killing everything good, bad or otherwise for no rational reason....what do you think this stuff will do to earthworms when it leaches into the soil? Val Observation: In biology class, 1970, we saw a movie in which a drop of pure nicotine was placed on the pink inside of a rabbit's ear. It died quickly. |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
... The message from McGerm contains these words: I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? Well I know that commercial tomato growers here, don't permit employees smoking in the glasshouses for that reason. BTW, nicotine insecticides were banned here (UK ) years ago, because they are a health hazard to people by skin contact. (and, to all insects, including beneficial). UNless you have an uncontrollable outbreak of pests, there's no point applying "clean up" stuff.. Far better, to feed the soil (home made compost, humus, mulches), so plants grow strong and healthy. Encourage natural predators ( frogs birds and insects etc ) in the garden and they will do all the necessary pest control. Janet Yeah...you talk about these natural predators like they're all sweet little creatures, but this ******* attacked me back in September. Went right for my throat, but I frightened it off with a blade of grass. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...er/Toad_01.jpg |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
On 1/7/08 4:27 PM, in article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from McGerm contains these words: I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? Well I know that commercial tomato growers here, don't permit employees smoking in the glasshouses for that reason. BTW, nicotine insecticides were banned here (UK ) years ago, because they are a health hazard to people by skin contact. (and, to all insects, including beneficial). UNless you have an uncontrollable outbreak of pests, there's no point applying "clean up" stuff.. Far better, to feed the soil (home made compost, humus, mulches), so plants grow strong and healthy. Encourage natural predators ( frogs birds and insects etc ) in the garden and they will do all the necessary pest control. Janet Yeah...you talk about these natural predators like they're all sweet little creatures, but this ******* attacked me back in September. Went right for my throat, but I frightened it off with a blade of grass. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...er/Toad_01.jpg He's so cute!!!! |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
... On 1/7/08 4:27 PM, in article , "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from McGerm contains these words: I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? Well I know that commercial tomato growers here, don't permit employees smoking in the glasshouses for that reason. BTW, nicotine insecticides were banned here (UK ) years ago, because they are a health hazard to people by skin contact. (and, to all insects, including beneficial). UNless you have an uncontrollable outbreak of pests, there's no point applying "clean up" stuff.. Far better, to feed the soil (home made compost, humus, mulches), so plants grow strong and healthy. Encourage natural predators ( frogs birds and insects etc ) in the garden and they will do all the necessary pest control. Janet Yeah...you talk about these natural predators like they're all sweet little creatures, but this ******* attacked me back in September. Went right for my throat, but I frightened it off with a blade of grass. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...er/Toad_01.jpg He's so cute!!!! That's Julius. He's also the local union manager. Mr. Tough Guy. He thinks he's Tony Soprano. |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"McGerm" wrote in message ... I have been catching up on my garden reading here in Zone 6. One of the things I picked up at the library was a DVD on tree and shrub care. Among the things it said to do was to use a 'clean-up tonic' once every two weeks to discourage insects and diseases. The DVD made it sound like a very good thing to do. Clean-Up Tonic 1 Cup lemon-scented liquid dish soap 1 Cup of antiseptic mouthwash 1 Cup of chewing tobacco tea The tobacco concerns me, specifically tobacco mosaic virus. Will this treatment spread the virus? According to sources online TMV infects and kills tomatoes/peppers/eggplant/ cubits, annual flowers, orchids, and hundreds of other ornamentals. Jim Tobacco extract is very poisonous. It will kill a great many insects and other small organisms and you and your pets if you get enough into you. Smokers survive (in the short term anyway) because most of the nicotine and related chemicals are destroyed when the tobacco burns. Eat a few cigarettes and go to hospital. Plus antiseptic mouth wash! Just in case some microorganisms survive the nicotine. Your garden relies upon small living organisms don't sterilize it with such a brew. David |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
On Jan 7, 10:17 am, enigma wrote:
McGerm wrote oups.com: The video was part of a Jerry Baker's Master Gardener series... It was presented as something you just do as regular maintenance; as a Best Practice in landscape care. His premise appears to be that stopping diseases and insect problems before they start by using safe non-toxic preventative care, is better than reactively treating once a problem appears. Jerry Baker is a garden quack. if you really like your yard & garden, please do not follow his silly formulas & poor advice. lee A big round of applause for wreck gardens! Do we have the best advice givers here or what? All of you/us are great. I think poor ol Jerry will never fade away, and we are doomed to be hearing his mal-advised-advice for years............... Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn, destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008 Emilie NorCal |
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Question on Tobacco Tea
"mleblanca" wrote in message ... Maybe we all should visit our libraries and find out if there are copies of this available and request that they be withdrawn, destroyed, or "lost" Our little Wreck Gardens Project for 2008 Emilie NorCal Yer not s'posed to destroy books because you disagree about or not approve of what's in them. Can you say "First Amendment"? You might as well also forget about trying to legislate stupidity. Usenet would be among the first to vanish. Val |
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