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"symplastless" wrote in message . .. "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message I forgot one for Don Staples whuile I am at it.. Wood, e.g., cellulose, is bad for a forest so logging must be done in the name of forest health. How much more absurd can you possibly be? Uh, could you possibly try and explain what your talking about? Where as logging has something to do with cellulose (i.e., that's what is harvested) where did I, or any one else, ever say cellulose (what a forest is) is bad for a forest? You really need to take your meds. many projects on the Allegheny National Forest are planned under the false premise that logging helps increase the health of a forest. It probably would not take long to review your website and find the latter. Your site here for starters, give me a chance and I will find more examples. http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm please explain what biological benefit logging has for forest health? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Beware of so-called tree experts/consulting arborists/tree biologists who do not understand tree biology, because they never studied biology. Clip from http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm "Nature just does not cooperate with the best of management efforts. At that time you may have to salvage whats left." Don, you do not understand or know how to work with nature. You work against nature. Why would there be a requirement to "salvage" cellulose, or shall I lucidly say, "ROB" the forest, of much required cellulose? And you say you are a forester. Maybe I am a forester. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. FORESTER http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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The section on your website is conviently bad! What is a Consulting Forester at http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm I would really like to understand just what a What is a Consulting Forester is to you. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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"someone" wrote in message ... On 18-Jan-2008, "symplastless" wrote: There are at least a hundred more. please list them all for us but this time, for clarity, don't use any spaces or punctuation. thank you. Here is my first 21. I am working on it. Please have a little patience. Myths and half truths Meristematic points are dormant buds Trees heal wounds Trees have root flares at the base of the trunk Trees are a natural renewable resource, keep cutting them and they will come back the way they were Peach trees respond like apple trees internally when pruned. Soil is dirt. All tree species have heartwood. The cambial zone is a single layer of cells. Wood, cellulose mostly, is harmful if left in a once fertile forest. Wood is dead, wood is dead, wood is dead! Thinning out, removing the inner crowns of a tree, makes a tree more wind resistant. Fertilizer is food. Elements are nutrients. Trees absorb nutrients All fungi is bad. Salvaging wood, cellulose mostly, is restoration. Nature just does not cooperate with the best of management efforts. At that time you may have to salvage whats left In forestry, "Usually the sales material is damaged dead, or dying." So logging is required. Wood in a forest - "best to move the material, get it out of the way for future work." Restoration in a forest, can mean a lot of work, depending on what caused the initial damage. How about logging injury? A chain saw is not a scientific tool. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message ... Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are you kidding me? When I find the statement about stinkweeds I will let you know. So I looked up epiphyte. So the Ganoderma tsugae is and epiphyte. But mycorrhizae, which is made up of tree root and fungus tissues is actually part of the plant. It's a composite organ. It does facilitate the taking in of phosphates. A lichen would be a epiphyte. See I do not have all the answers. Here is a story on mycorrhizae. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...go/WINTER.html -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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BrownFingers wrote: symplastless;770744 Wrote: "Johnny Borborigmi" wrote in message ...- On 2008-01-15 21:03:45 -0500, "symplastless" said: - - Please click the link to read article about Light, Humidity, Feeding and Tempature : http://tinyurl.com/2z26da tips for your orchid.htm- I know very little about orchids. What kind of food do you feed a orchid? Do they store their food? In what form and where? I thought they were autotrophs. Shows how much I know. BTW the ghost flower is a heterotroph. http://tinyurl.com/yo38zt- You can use regular miracle or any 10-10-10 food. No "special" ferti;izer is needed.- Oh, so you really are not feeding the plant. Just applying N-P-K. BTW there are 14 other essential elements. Some more important than others in different amounts for different plants. 14 From the soil. They are C; H; N; O; P; K; S; Mg; Ni; Fe; Ca; Zn; Mo; Mn; B; Cl; Cu I guess that the orchid must be an autotroph. Autotrophs manufacture their own food and we do not feed them. That is the case for most plants. I say most because of exceptions like Ghost Flowers. They have no chlorophyll to trap sunlight energy and manufacture food. They are more like a heterotroph. Humans are heterotrophs. The chemical companies trick you to believing their product is food. Food is a substance that provides and energy source, mostly. Nutrient is a substance that provides an energy source, elements, and other substances essential for life, in types and amounts that can provide a healthy life. Fertilizer is a substance that provides elements, as salts mostly, or in bonded forms, that require microorganisms to alter to forms that can be absorbed or taken in by plants. They are not absorbing in the sense of a Bounty paper towel. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. I eat chips and Battered Fish in the yard cause i live above a chippy so the yard is a messy hole. one of you might want a little project to come and sort the damn thing out if you want? many thanks (its a bloody mess) Wot? Greasy newsprint? Either mulch it and prepare to plant in May or stick a match to it (once it dries it some, say in July or August) and keep a garden hose handy (at hand). You do have garden hoses don't you? So many Europeans (May I call you an European? I mean you all did come over from the Continent after migrating from Africa.) rely completely on the vagaries of the weather for their watering needs. I mean, what the bloody hell is a garden hose manufacturer supposed to do anyway? Well, tootleloo and do give my regards to Attila-the-Hen;-) -- Billy Bush & Cheney, Behind Bars http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...490698,00.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message . .. Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are you kidding me? Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without trees. Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae. I can buy mychorrizae innoculant online. You cannot innoculate with an organ. It is not attached to any tree I know of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you have got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is made up of tree root AND fungus? It's not. Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is a Greek word meaning - mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made up of plant roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES! http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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symplastless wrote:
"Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are you kidding me? Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without trees. Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae. I can buy mychorrizae innoculant online. You cannot innoculate with an organ. No, you incoculate with the fungus that produces the organ. Why are you being so picky about this? It is not attached to any tree I know of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you have got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is made up of tree root AND fungus? It's not. Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is a Greek word meaning - mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made up of plant roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES! http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html Why don't you try reading that yourself, but this time read the whole thing and not just the first sentence. It explains how such inoculants work. If you object to the nomenclature commonly used, "Mycorrhizal Inoculant", then would you be so kind as to first suggest an equally succinct alternative and then take the matter up with the producers of such products or the government or someone else who has the power to change that nomenclature instead of continuing to harangue a bunch of people who don't have any control over it? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"symplastless" wrote in message
. .. "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Don Staples" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:53:55 -0500, "symplastless" wrote: I am more incline to listen to people who do not claim that fertilizer, elements alone, are food for autotrophs! I am not familiar with the term autotrophs, but I do know orchids (with the exception of some) are epiphytes and take nutrients from air and water which collects between the roots or hold tights and the bark of the tree the plant has adhered to. I fertilize plants indoors using simple liquid seaweed and so far, so good. I've had the same house plants for over a decade and made many plants from their offshoots. I also ran very large greenhouse operations and was a grower. But what do I know. Rhetorical of course. One heck of a lot more than a so called tree biologist. Remind me Don. What was your last post that addressed a plant problem? It seems your whole "raison d'etre" for being in gardening groups is to attack John. It would be a great improvement if you could just throw in a few tid-bits that are on topic. Consider starting a new NG called rec.kill.john.kill, then you could rant to your hearts content and still be on topic. -- Bug off, billy, when a tree question comes up, I will, till then fighting deadwood is a reason to be here. Kind of like asking a back country chemist how to raise pine trees. here is 2 tree questions. You say "fighting deadwood" Very loose terms and not lucid. I never heard of such a thing. Please explain what you are saying. Define "dead" = Define "wood" = See, wood is not static so it may be hard to define like humic acids. Its constantly going through ecological stages. Look up symplastless in your so called dictionary. Never trust a so called consulting arboist/tree biologist that has never studied biology. DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD I SAY!!!!!!! Believe because you see it for yourself. A requirement to study and understand tree biology does include tree biology. Are we supposed to trust Don Staples? What? Trust some one who has actually studied what they make their living at, unlike some lawn care, one pickup, hand written sign like Keslick? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Nut Case |
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"symplastless" wrote in message
. .. "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Myself, I am studying Advanced Tree Biology. In Advanced Tree Biology we reframe from loose, sloppy terms. Why, for a better understanding how the system works. If I see a fellow is so far off tract to call fertilizer plant food, I have enough care, concern, time and passion to help that person better understand plants. Again, some people fight to be stupid and spread it to others. Mostly product pushers are to blame for the continued confussion. Out of curiosity, where are you studying Advanced Tree Biology? It is an educational course on DVD. Not available to the public yet. I anticipate it will be soon. I study where ever I get the chance. I didn't know Disney had put one out. Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Nut Case |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:05:10 -0500, "symplastless" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are you kidding me? Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without trees. Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae. I can buy mychorrizae innoculant online. You cannot innoculate with an organ. It is not attached to any tree I know of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you have got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is made up of tree root AND fungus? It's not. Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is a Greek word meaning - mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made up of plant roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES! http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html While it is symbiotic, it is NOT NOT NOT a tree root. Not today, not tomorrow, not yesterday NOT. Fungi are in a class of their own, not plant, not animal. Mycorrhizae does not, repeat, does not depend on a tree to exist. It is not part of the tree. It is not part of the root. There are many types of this fungi, I am familiar with and have used and will use VAM Mycorrhizae. Not all plants need this or benefit by this type of fungi. Certainly conifers and many trees, roses, blueberries and a list of other plants which notoriously have weak root systems. The fungi themselves, growing alone, are not called "mycorrhizae". VAM mycorrhizae are produced by any of about 200 fungi belonging to the genus Glomeromycota when they grown on or in or in sufficiently close proximity to tree roots. A phylogenetic tree for that genus can be found at http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~schuessler/amphylo/. Note that none of the species is called "mycorrhizae". If there's no fungus then there are no mycorrhizae. If there is no tree there are no mycorrhize. It's when you have _both_ that mycorrizae occur. And do yourself and everyone else a favor; when directing people to the scientific evidence, try to refrain from using your own website to base your debate on. It's a bit nonsensicle. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... symplastless wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are you kidding me? Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without trees. Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae. I can buy mychorrizae innoculant online. You cannot innoculate with an organ. No, you incoculate with the fungus that produces the organ. Why are you being so picky about this? Just being truthful. It is not attached to any tree I know of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you have got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is made up of tree root AND fungus? It's not. Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is a Greek word meaning - mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made up of plant roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES! http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html Why don't you try reading that yourself, but this time read the whole thing and not just the first sentence. It explains how such inoculants work. If you object to the nomenclature commonly used, "Mycorrhizal Inoculant", then would you be so kind as to first suggest an equally succinct alternative and then take the matter up with the producers of such products or the government or someone else who has the power to change that nomenclature instead of continuing to harangue a bunch of people who don't have any control over it? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) oh, so you are saying that trees do or do not have mycorrhizae? That was the argument. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:05:10 -0500, "symplastless" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message m... Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are you kidding me? Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without trees. Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae. I can buy mychorrizae innoculant online. You cannot innoculate with an organ. It is not attached to any tree I know of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you have got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is made up of tree root AND fungus? It's not. Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is a Greek word meaning - mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made up of plant roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES! http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html While it is symbiotic, it is NOT NOT NOT a tree root. It is a root fungus. A composit organ, its an organ, made up of fungus tissue and root tissue. Is it fungus or root? YES! Not today, not tomorrow, not yesterday NOT. Fungi are in a class of their own, not plant, not animal. Mycorrhizae does not, repeat, does not depend on a tree to exist. It is not part of the tree. It is not part of the root. So you are saying that you never dug mycorrhizae. Start looking. They are there. If you want root hairs go to a hew bush. If you want ectomycorrhizae go to a beech. You have to dig roots and you have to look. Or you will never see. There are many types of this fungi, I am familiar with and have used and will use VAM Mycorrhizae. Not all plants need this or benefit by this type of fungi. Certainly conifers and many trees, roses, blueberries and a list of other plants which notoriously have weak root systems. And do yourself and everyone else a favor; when directing people to the scientific evidence, try to refrain from using your own website to base your debate on. It's a bit nonsensicle. Until you dig mycorrhizae you should really reframe from such claims. Scientific research. get a shovel and go look!!!! They are there!!!!! -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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"Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Myself, I am studying Advanced Tree Biology. In Advanced Tree Biology we reframe from loose, sloppy terms. Why, for a better understanding how the system works. If I see a fellow is so far off tract to call fertilizer plant food, I have enough care, concern, time and passion to help that person better understand plants. Again, some people fight to be stupid and spread it to others. Mostly product pushers are to blame for the continued confussion. Out of curiosity, where are you studying Advanced Tree Biology? It is an educational course on DVD. Not available to the public yet. I anticipate it will be soon. I study where ever I get the chance. I didn't know Disney had put one out. Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Nut Case -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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symplastless wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... symplastless wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0500, "symplastless" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... Orchids are pushing out stinkweeds? What is an epiphyte? Are you kidding me? Sorry, mcorrhizae is autonomous of the tree. It exists without trees. Trees are not the only plant which depends on mychorrizae. I can buy mychorrizae innoculant online. You cannot innoculate with an organ. No, you incoculate with the fungus that produces the organ. Why are you being so picky about this? Just being truthful. It is not attached to any tree I know of. Fungal mats exist without the presence of trees. C'mon, you have got to be kidding me. You actually think mychorrizae is made up of tree root AND fungus? It's not. Maybe you better define what mycorrhizae is in your words. It is a Greek word meaning - mycor - fungus rhiza - root. It is an composite structure made up of plant roots (most trees) and fungi. Is it fungi or root? YES! http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...corrhizae.html Why don't you try reading that yourself, but this time read the whole thing and not just the first sentence. It explains how such inoculants work. If you object to the nomenclature commonly used, "Mycorrhizal Inoculant", then would you be so kind as to first suggest an equally succinct alternative and then take the matter up with the producers of such products or the government or someone else who has the power to change that nomenclature instead of continuing to harangue a bunch of people who don't have any control over it? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) oh, so you are saying that trees do or do not have mycorrhizae? That was the argument. It was? I saw nobody questioning the existence of them, only arguing over how many mycorrhizae can dance on the head of a pin. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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