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Landscaping Shrubs: Spruce Up Your Yard
"Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... Val, with respect, I am not a forester. No (snip). Don, please define what you are. I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist, arborist, or tree expert. In fact, you cliam I am not some things. Would you please define what you mean? 1. forester 2. biologist 3. arborist 4. tree expert They are your words or should I say your noise. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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Landscaping Shrubs: Spruce Up Your Yard
"Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... Val, with respect, I am not a forester. No (snip). Don, please define what you are. I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist, arborist, or tree expert. Don, as a forester (however you define it), what have you done for the health of a forest lately? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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"symplastless" wrote in message
. .. "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... Val, with respect, I am not a forester. No (snip). Don, please define what you are. I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist, arborist, or tree expert. In fact, you cliam I am not some things. Would you please define what you mean? 1. forester 2. biologist 3. arborist 4. tree expert -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood butcher, but not a forester, nor anything else you claim. |
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"Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message ... Val, with respect, I am not a forester. No (snip). Don, please define what you are. I am a forester, which obviously, you are not. Nor are you a biologist, arborist, or tree expert. In fact, you cliam I am not some things. Would you please define what you mean? 1. forester 2. biologist 3. arborist 4. tree expert -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood butcher, but not a forester, nor anything else you claim. Don, if that is you definition of what a forester is, that's fine. At least I now know what you mean. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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"symplastless" wrote in message . .. How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood butcher, but not a forester, nor anything else you claim. Don, if that is you definition of what a forester is, that's fine. At least I now know what you mean. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. You give your self to much credit, nut case, you understand/know nothing. |
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"D. Staples" wrote: "symplastless" wrote in message . .. How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood butcher, but not a forester, nor anything else you claim. Don, if that is you definition of what a forester is, that's fine. At least I now know what you mean. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. You give your self to much credit, nut case, you understand/know nothing. Actually, the knock was against a forester, which John has never claimed to be. I think he over reacted against a criticism that wasn't aimed at him. I could be wrong. So, cut any good trees lately, Don? Yes, yes, I know you don't like me and I will agree that John is a pain in the a**, but you are such a nut case. Get a life. -- Billy Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush |
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I am not a forester as Don Staples defines such. I am a consulting forester
as I define it at http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html You are right Don, I am not like you!!!!! never said I was. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. - "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "D. Staples" wrote: "symplastless" wrote in message . .. How do you prove a negative, nut case? You are a troll, a wood butcher, but not a forester, nor anything else you claim. Don, if that is you definition of what a forester is, that's fine. At least I now know what you mean. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. You give your self to much credit, nut case, you understand/know nothing. Actually, the knock was against a forester, which John has never claimed to be. I think he over reacted against a criticism that wasn't aimed at him. I could be wrong. So, cut any good trees lately, Don? Yes, yes, I know you don't like me and I will agree that John is a pain in the a**, but you are such a nut case. Get a life. -- Billy Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush |
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"symplastless" wrote in message
. .. I am not a forester as Don Staples defines such. I am a consulting forester as I define it at http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html You are right Don, I am not like you!!!!! never said I was. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Regardless of what you put in your so called dictionary, you are not, and cannot, be a forester, consulting or other wise. Saw hand, maybe, but no forester. Any more than you are a biologist, tree expert, or arborist. |
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In article , "Don Staples"
wrote: "symplastless" wrote in message . .. I am not a forester as Don Staples defines such. I am a consulting forester as I define it at http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html You are right Don, I am not like you!!!!! never said I was. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Regardless of what you put in your so called dictionary, you are not, and cannot, be a forester, consulting or other wise. Saw hand, maybe, but no forester. Any more than you are a biologist, tree expert, or arborist. Still, as imaginary states of being go, symptomless's delusion he's a tree expert and forestry consultant is for the most part harmless. True, bad advice could really screw up someone's garden, but it's not like a lot of folks are fooled by him so he can't cause TOO much harm always pretending. And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life has to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert in trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If you're a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers. -paghat the ratgirl -- visit my temperate gardening website: http://www.paghat.com.html visit my film reviews webiste: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com |
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"symplastless" wrote in message . .. So now you are a prophet? What do you claim is required to be a forester Don? How do you define a forester? That would be a start. A forester is what you are not. Some one with education. Some one with experience. Some one that doesn't write definitions to suit himself, or include himself into profession, as do you, that he is not qualified to address, much less claim membership. In short, not you. You should have picked up a little integrity when you were a saw hand for the good Dr. Shigo. |
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"paghat" wrote in message
... In article , "Don Staples" wrote: And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life has to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert in trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If you're a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers. I am a man of faith, but I abhor false prophets of any nature. |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message
... On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:43:00 -0600, "Don Staples" wrote: "paghat" wrote in message ... In article , "Don Staples" wrote: And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life has to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert in trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If you're a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers. I am a man of faith, but I abhor false prophets of any nature. Turn the other cheek, etc. False prophets refer to people giving false statements about God, not trees. The bible always gets spilled into other areas it doesn't belong and is used as a weapon. That's abhorant. Over the ages prophets have appeared in all areas of society, and culture. We have economic prophets, and guru's. Many of them false. Prophets of doom and gloom in politics, etc. |
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"Don Staples" wrote: "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:43:00 -0600, "Don Staples" wrote: "paghat" wrote in message ... In article , "Don Staples" wrote: And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life has to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert in trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If you're a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers. I am a man of faith, but I abhor false prophets of any nature. Turn the other cheek, etc. False prophets refer to people giving false statements about God, not trees. The bible always gets spilled into other areas it doesn't belong and is used as a weapon. That's abhorant. Over the ages prophets have appeared in all areas of society, and culture. We have economic prophets, and guru's. Many of them false. Prophets of doom and gloom in politics, etc. Who-ha. Want to see a zoo? Try Don's original group, alt.forestry. They are all bogged down in creationism and false prophets. No wonder that was what was on the tip of his tongue. Don, in the year and a half that you have been posting in this group you have only tried to be helpful once and that was with prodding. There was a time when you just wanted John out of alt.forestry. He is out. Not a single posting. So why don't you try to be a good gardener and be nurturing, or go back and fight the inquisition in your own group and set your own house in order? John MAY be a nut but he is OUR nut. -- Billy Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush |
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I can say is you two have more time on your hands then most. Cannot beat a dead horse nor lead it to water.
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"Don Staples" wrote in message ... "paghat" wrote in message ... In article , "Don Staples" wrote: And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life has to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert in trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If you're a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers. I am a man of faith, but I abhor false prophets of any nature. So now you are a prophet? What do you claim is required to be a forester Don? How do you define a forester? That would be a start. original message: Val, with respect, What's important is that tree biology is considered when making decisions on forest health. Trees have many associates that greatly depend on healthy systems for survival. History shows that in St. Louis - USA, the Mississippi Valley Laboratory was established in 1899. The director at that time was Dr. Herman von Schrenk. Studies on wood decay and discoloration (woundwood) were done mostly. In time, the studies drifted toward wood products. In 1907 the lab was discontinued and the Forest Products Laboratory at Madison, Wisconsin took over. The major focus of the lab was on wood products decay - "Tree biology never had a chance". Too often decisions are based on board foot rather than management based on an understanding of the ecological stages of trees and their associates. Too often over looking trees and associates requirements. Sure you can claim I am not a forester, but first define what you mean when "you" say "forester". I have in my dictionary. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html I do not claim to be anything else. When commercial interest dictates the method and treatments of National Forest, associates too often suffer. I see it in urban wood management. The biggest problem, some say, is getting the wood out fast enough and without criticism. Is that what you mean when "you" say "forester"? Surely I have much more to learn then I have learned regarding the ecological stages of trees and their associates and the relationship between the two. A once fertile forest does more than just function as a supply of wood for humans. Surely man would benefit by legalizing commercial hemp and the products it can produce. It is said that George Washington's first flag was made of hemp. The Constitution was written on hemp. Sure I am a consumer. Toilet paper is a requirement to me. We need to separate the forest from the tree farms. Tree farmers need help and also would benefit by an understanding of tree biology in managing their non-renewable natural resource. A good understanding of cellulose and the role it plays on healthy soils "should" be of interest to tree farmers. Its sad when it is not. Just my crazy thoughts. Surely no one on this list endorses me or my thoughts. But they are mine and not theirs. That's what makes me unique. Imagine a world where all pathogens went away! Ignorance of tree biology still remains a serious problem for trees and their associates worldwide. We are an associate, friend or foe. I repeat, by your definition I am not a forester. Please define what one is in your words. And I religiously say " don't believe anything because I said it" "believe it because you see it for yourself". When payment for making a tree safe, in a once fertile forest, is the harvest of the wood, its a bad situation. Rather than making a snag which could be safe for many years, housing many flying squirrels - they are displaced by removing the wood. The professional who would make the snag should be well paid for that skill and risk as well as the ground person or persons. Thus not having to rely on the wood for payment. It hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, just my crazy thoughts! An interesting book, if you have not read it, is A NEW TREE BIOLOGY. It comes with its own dictionary. It should be at your local library. The book is listed at www.shigoandtrees.com. Too many people want to be made robots. Training without education makes robots. Education without training makes waste. Waste is an human term for inefficient management of substance or thing. A forest knows no waste. Enough of my thoughts, what are yours? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Forester & Tree Expert http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
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