Saw that Obama has a shot. I voted for him in the primary but I
wonder why Hilary stalled. Aside from policy they espoused which I am
ignorant of I sort of feel that Bill Clinton hurt her a lot.
Bill is a smart guy like Gore both Rhode scholars. So why did Bill
become a negative for his spouse?
I'd hazard a guess his bypass and follow up surgery's caused a change
in his personality and view of world issues. This surgery given glib
concern can and does effect people in a profound way. Causal inspection
seems OK but the reality of just how close passing is can diminish ones
joy of life. This joy I feel is crucial in dealing with life's minor
set backs it color's it if you will how we deal with being here. ( Yet
another reason to plant stuff).
So Bill becomes more of a negative than a positive. Mystery protrudes
an effects how our country will be governed in the near future. Has to
be better.

Bill 7 hours on a pump and writes stupid stuff but the mass media
ignores me and Bill Clinton has fame to suffer.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
Neat place .. http://www.petersvalley.org/

Bill wrote:
I voted for him in the primary but I
wonder why Hilary stalled.


crap deleted


Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political
CRAP in our garden newsgroup?

In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of
website where you can discuss politics.

PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do
gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in
politics, but NOT here.
--
Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A)



To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen

Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL

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In article ,
Bill R wrote:

Bill wrote:
I voted for him in the primary but I
wonder why Hilary stalled.


crap deleted


Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political
CRAP in our garden newsgroup?

In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of
website where you can discuss politics.

PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do
gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in
politics, but NOT here.

Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. Don't
like what I write is why god created kill files.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
Neat place .. http://www.petersvalley.org/

Bill wrote:
In article ,
Bill R wrote:


Bill wrote:

I voted for him in the primary but I
wonder why Hilary stalled.


crap deleted


Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political
CRAP in our garden newsgroup?

In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of
website where you can discuss politics.

PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do
gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in
politics, but NOT here.


Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. Don't
like what I write is why god created kill files.

Bill


Why should I need this create kill files because some inconsiderate
person like you decides to "make" this another political newsgroup?

Please have a little respect for the charter of this newsgroup and use
it for what it is for -- discussion of gardening.

As I said, there are MANY other places to discuss politics. PLEASE use
them for politics and let us discuss gardening HERE.
--
Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A)



To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen

Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL

Remove NO_WEEDS_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail

In article ,
Bill R wrote:

Bill wrote:
In article ,
Bill R wrote:


Bill wrote:

I voted for him in the primary but I
wonder why Hilary stalled.


crap deleted


Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political
CRAP in our garden newsgroup?

In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of
website where you can discuss politics.

PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do
gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in
politics, but NOT here.


Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. Don't
like what I write is why god created kill files.

Bill


Why should I need this create kill files because some inconsiderate
person like you decides to "make" this another political newsgroup?

Please have a little respect for the charter of this newsgroup and use
it for what it is for -- discussion of gardening.

As I said, there are MANY other places to discuss politics. PLEASE use
them for politics and let us discuss gardening HERE.

I need to ask if the price of food isn't political, if the reduced
bio-diversity of the seed we buy isn't political, if the quality (crops
designed for quantity and shelf life instead of nutrition) and quantity
(of nutrient poor processed foods) of our food isn't political, if the
information we receive about nutrition from our HMOs and government
isn't political, if the concentration of control over our food supplies
isn't political, if the production (supposedly regulated) and
distribution (to the Seven-Elevens of our inner cities) of our food
isn't political, if the treatment of consumers of food isn't cut from
the same whole cloth as is our military and social policies. Growing a
garden means that the food that is available commercially, isn't
acceptable to us (be it esthetics, cost, flavor, or health risks) and I
believe, that is a political statement.

This is a general newsgroup about the broad spectrum of nurturing
vegetative life, and like it or not, there is a political dimension to
it.

In a perfect world, this would not be the case, and we could spend our
time trying to perfect the perfect carrot or whatever. We try to monitor
ourselves, and ****ing and moaning about perceived excesses is your
right as part of the group, and I'm sure it will some have an effect.
Unfortunately, political policies do affect food production, including
gardening.
--

Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Bill R wrote:

Bill wrote:
In article ,
Bill R wrote:


Bill wrote:

I voted for him in the primary but I
wonder why Hilary stalled.


crap deleted


Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political
CRAP in our garden newsgroup?

In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of
website where you can discuss politics.

PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. Some of us do
gardening to escape (a little). And for the record, I AM interested in
politics, but NOT here.


Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. Don't
like what I write is why god created kill files.

Bill


Why should I need this create kill files because some inconsiderate
person like you decides to "make" this another political newsgroup?

Please have a little respect for the charter of this newsgroup and use
it for what it is for -- discussion of gardening.

As I said, there are MANY other places to discuss politics. PLEASE use
them for politics and let us discuss gardening HERE.

I need to ask if the price of food isn't political, if the reduced
bio-diversity of the seed we buy isn't political, if the quality (crops
designed for quantity and shelf life instead of nutrition) and quantity
(of nutrient poor processed foods) of our food isn't political, if the
information we receive about nutrition from our HMOs and government
isn't political, if the concentration of control over our food supplies
isn't political, if the production (supposedly regulated) and
distribution (to the Seven-Elevens of our inner cities) of our food
isn't political, if the treatment of consumers of food isn't cut from
the same whole cloth as is our military and social policies. Growing a
garden means that the food that is available commercially, isn't
acceptable to us (be it esthetics, cost, flavor, or health risks) and I
believe, that is a political statement.

This is a general newsgroup about the broad spectrum of nurturing
vegetative life, and like it or not, there is a political dimension to
it.

In a perfect world, this would not be the case, and we could spend our
time trying to perfect the perfect carrot or whatever. We try to monitor
ourselves, and ****ing and moaning about perceived excesses is your
right as part of the group, and I'm sure it will some have an effect.
Unfortunately, political policies do affect food production, including
gardening.

Billy look at this before it goes away. I think of this as profiting
by starvation.

"When crop prices are climbing, holding inventory for future sale can
yield higher profits than selling to meet current demand, for example.
Or if prices diverge in different parts of the world, inventory can be
shipped to the more profitable market."

"Mr. Duryea of the Ospraie fund dismissed the idea that financial
investors, with obligations to suppliers and customers of their
elevators and fertilizer services, would put their thumb on the
supply-demand scale by holding back inventory to move prices
artificially."




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/bu...1&hp&oref=slog
in

Ps I saved the doc as an image.

.........................

I'll think I'll go outside for awhile....

Its A Beautiful Morning 2:31 Young Rascals Oldies MPEG
audio file

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
Neat place .. http://www.petersvalley.org/

Charlie wrote in
:

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:28:07 -0400, Bill R
wrote:

Please have a little respect for the charter of this
newsgroup and use it for what it is for -- discussion of
gardening.

This is interesting......I have searched for the charter
for rec.gardens and I cannot find it. Would you please
post it for those of us who are too ignorant and/or lazy to
do a proper search and/or stay on topic.

since it's *clearly* labelled as OT & political, it's easily
deleated by those who do not wish to read it. if i have time
later, i'll see if i can find the charter for rec.gardens, but
i will say that i've been reading here for over 12 years &
there has always been some political content.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

On Jun 4, 6:37*pm, Bill wrote:
In article ,
*Bill R wrote:





Bill wrote:
*I voted for him in the primary but I
wonder why Hilary stalled.

crap deleted

Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political
CRAP in our garden newsgroup?

In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of
website where you can discuss politics.

PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. *Some of us do
gardening to escape (a little). *And for the record, I AM interested in
politics, but NOT here.

*Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. *Don't
like what I write is why god created kill files. *

*Bill

My read of your original post was that the bypass surgery may have
effected Bill Clinton's outlook. A second thought, having had similar
myself, is that it can effect mental processes due to potential for
ministrokes that go un detected and a person's mental outlook is also
effected. Could have effect on your gardening or your politics. See
no problem posting here. If I ever have a concern it is with Billy's
stupid signature ;(
Frank

In article
,
Frank wrote:

On Jun 4, 6:37*pm, Bill wrote:
In article ,
*Bill R wrote:





Bill wrote:
*I voted for him in the primary but I
wonder why Hilary stalled.

crap deleted

Why do some of you people find it necessary to post off-topic political
CRAP in our garden newsgroup?

In case you don't know it there are dozens of newsgroups and hundreds of
website where you can discuss politics.

PLEASE, let's keep the politics OUT of this newsgroup. *Some of us do
gardening to escape (a little). *And for the record, I AM interested in
politics, but NOT here.

*Well I find gardener's to possess extremely grounded opinions. *Don't
like what I write is why god created kill files. *

*Bill

My read of your original post was that the bypass surgery may have
effected Bill Clinton's outlook. A second thought, having had similar
myself, is that it can effect mental processes due to potential for
ministrokes that go un detected and a person's mental outlook is also
effected. Could have effect on your gardening or your politics. See
no problem posting here. If I ever have a concern it is with Billy's
stupid signature ;(
Frank

What? You mean
--

Billy
Bush Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related