On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:16:00 -0700 (PDT), Tom wrote:

On Nov 1, 8:44*pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
Err, neither candidate has presidential experience? *You know, the only
one who can claim to have experience in being president is:

No experience authoring legislation and getting it passed. *None. *To say
nothing of never having managed even a SMALL enterprise.

And we're better off with the Bush/McCain policies?

McCain isn't Bush, lies by Obama otherwise.


McCain has no executive experience. Obama has no executive experience.
Whatever the hell executive experience is.

Authoring legislation is hardly a qualifier for the Presidency.

Given that both candidates lack executive experience, I want the
smartest guy in the room as President.

Bush had executive experience.

And he still wasn't qualified.


It's truly sad so many are afraid of smart people.

Tom

However, there's a difference in this election. The money that Obama is
getting is NOT his own. It's from contributors. A lot of contributors.
He is not using DNC money. Whereas, McCain is using a lot of money
from the RNC.

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate.

Look again! A lot of Baracks money is in the form of prepaid credit
cards which are untraceable! I wonder why.
Gordon

Tom wrote:

It's truly sad so many are afraid of smart people.

Huzzah! I want intellectually elite people to run the country!

Cheers
Martin

Tom

Gordon wrote:

However, there's a difference in this election. The money that Obama
is getting is NOT his own. It's from contributors. A lot of
contributors. He is not using DNC money. Whereas, McCain is using a
lot of money from the RNC.

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate.

Look again! A lot of Baracks money is in the form of prepaid credit
cards which are untraceable! I wonder why.

I have a prepaid credit card. It's convenient.

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On Nov 1, 9:06*pm, Gordon wrote:
However, there's a difference in this election. *The money that Obama is
getting is NOT his own. *It's from contributors. *A lot of contributors.
* He is not using DNC money. *Whereas, McCain is using a lot of money
from the RNC.

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. *

* * Look again! A lot of Baracks money is in the form of prepaid credit
cards which are untraceable! I wonder why.
* Gordon

cause folks like me send them to him. what you cant figure out that
making a donation via check or money order is stupid the cred card is
easy you just put the money on it and send it in then you send the
activation code. also some homeland security ****** cant follow it
home. drives you new age republicans crazy.

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:22:25 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote in alt.atheism:

My claim comes from 25 years of personal experience. I have lived and worked
all over Europe and I am telling you public health IS a failure everywhere.
Your opinion is based on what? Perhaps books, magazines, TV or was it some
idealist talking trash. Please note my previous comment about the American
biased media. You are being sucked in. Come over here and experiece the
failure yourself. Pay the 55% tax, experience the waiting lines or the
denial of treatment or a drug, because it isn't approved. Watch your
neighbor suffer for a year or more because there is no room in your
designated hospital or die because the appropriate treatment is too
expensive for a person of age. Public health is not the solution for
universal health. This lesson has been learned.
Steve

Your claims don't match the docomentation.

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:59:33 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote in alt.atheism:

June,
I do not dispute your observations, but they are too superficial and
incomplete. First there are no successful government supplied health
systems....anywhere.

You are flat out wrong not only do they work throughout the world but
they even work in the USA. Until the Bush Administration, intent on
proving that government cannot work by destroying the institutions that
did work, gutted the VA and military health systems, they were superior
to most other hospitals in the United States. I have no idea if your
claim came from ignorance or politically motivated dishonesty, though
the rest of your post implies that dishonesty was at work.

...

On 2008-11-01 19:14:07 -0400, DanielSan said:

Um, what? Would you like a list of legislation authored and passed by Obama?

Oh, I would like to see a list of *any* authored by him.

For good or ill, there is the quite prominent McCain-Feingold act.

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Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-11-01 19:14:07 -0400, DanielSan said:

Um, what? Would you like a list of legislation authored and passed by
Obama?

Oh, I would like to see a list of *any* authored by him.

Okay, there's an EASY way for you to find out. It's actually VERY simple.

1. Go to http://thomas.loc.gov
2. Choose "Obama, Barack [D-IL]" from the "Select a Senator" dropdown.
3. Click "GO" button.

You're welcome.


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On 2008-11-01 19:21:31 -0400, Larry said:

clouddreamer wrote in
m:

They're not voting for Obama for any particular reason.

They're voting AGAINST McCain.

I can't buy that because Israel runs the Republican party.

That would be a surprise to my ex-wife and our friends. I doubt any of
them ever voted for a Republican, much less get involved in the party.
They really don't like conservatives, love the liberals.

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On 2008-11-02 01:19:22 -0500, DanielSan said:

Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-11-01 19:14:07 -0400, DanielSan said:

Um, what? Would you like a list of legislation authored and passed by Obama?

Oh, I would like to see a list of *any* authored by him.

Okay, there's an EASY way for you to find out. It's actually VERY simple.

1. Go to http://thomas.loc.gov
2. Choose "Obama, Barack [D-IL]" from the "Select a Senator" dropdown.
3. Click "GO" button.

You're welcome.

Hmmm. Lots of bills to honor people, most of the rest read twice and
referred (buried). Might be a half-dozen of minor substance that didn't
die that natural death (being charitable).

Checking McCain served up fewer, but most were passed, only a couple
were read twice and buried, didn't notice any of the PR "to Honor" or
"x week" fluff ones.

It's a shame the record only goes back a couple of years.

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In article 2008110201201975249-jerelull@maccom, Jere Lull
wrote:

On 2008-11-01 19:21:31 -0400, Larry said:

clouddreamer wrote in
m:

They're not voting for Obama for any particular reason.

They're voting AGAINST McCain.

I can't buy that because Israel runs the Republican party.

That would be a surprise to my ex-wife and our friends. I doubt any of
them ever voted for a Republican, much less get involved in the party.
They really don't like conservatives, love the liberals.

A 2003 overview publisehd by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs found
that 23% of American Jews considered themselves conservatives, and 19%
voted for Bush in 2000. When just the Orthodox Jews weere considered the
percentages jumped enormously, 43% leaning toward Bush (the study was a
few months before the 2004 vote). In New York City in 2002/3, 47% of the
city's Jewry said they were considering voting regionally for Republican
candidates and nationally for Bush. In California at the same time, 31%
of Jews supported Schwartzeneger despite that his father was a hardcore
Nazi. Nationally as it turned out Kerry had 76 or 78% of the Jewish vote,
but Bush junior still had 24% support, more than he'd had from Jews when
many couldn't bring themselves to vote for Gore.

Republican voting was at the time of that report regarded as on the
upswing among American Jews. But historically Jews have always swung one
way then another, often supporting Republican candidates. In 1916 45% of
Jews supported Hughes, the losing Republican. In 1920 43% supported the
Republican winner, Harding (38% voted for a Socialist candidate and would
likely otherwise have voted the Democrat). But almost twice as many Jews
voted for the losing Democrat who ran against Calvin Coolidge in 1924, and
almost three times as many voted for the losing Democrat who ran against
Herbert Hoover in 1928. They still hated Hoover in 1932 and went
overwhelmingly for Roosevelt, 82% in 1940, 90% in 1994. Roosevelt was the
one candidate Jews were truly and extremely to cause Jews to favor the
Democratic, and I wish it could be duplicated for Obama but it's not
possible.

Democratic presidential candidates remained the favorites by a big margin
with Jews voting mostly for Democrats Adlai Stevenson, Lyndon Johnson,
Hubert Humphrey, McGovern, and Carter the first time through. But then 39%
voted for Reagan (40% stuck with Carter) so pretty even division.
Regretting that choice on the second run, Jews overwhelming supported
Mondale against Reagan.

Presently the Jewish contingent in Florida overwhelmingly supports McCain
-- perhaps the average age contributes, schfartza is still an easy word
from the mouths of older Jews, which ain't friendly. Outside of Florida,
though, Obama seems to have about 60% of the Jewish vote, McCain 32%, with
25% identifying themselves as conservatives.

Unfortunately supporting McCain makes a lot of sense if the condition of
Israel rates highly in any given family, high enough that they actually
check voting records of senators on issues that effect Israel. Democrats
have a TERRIBLE record in that regard, Republicans have a very good
record. That's something I hate to admit, cuz I think Republicans are for
shit, but it's a fact, and McCain has been one of the more vohement of
many vohement Israel supporters among Republicans. By comparison, Obama's
record is too small to figure out what he might do, so his being open
minded toward crazy-ass Ahmadinejad has to stand as a negative signal. It
makes one wonder why not MORE than 25% wouldn't by now identify as
conservatives.

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Another two days and the world can go about it's business and not be asking
who is John Galt.

David

Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:22:25 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote in alt.atheism:

My claim comes from 25 years of personal experience. I have lived and worked
all over Europe and I am telling you public health IS a failure everywhere.
Your opinion is based on what? Perhaps books, magazines, TV or was it some
idealist talking trash. Please note my previous comment about the American
biased media. You are being sucked in. Come over here and experiece the
failure yourself. Pay the 55% tax, experience the waiting lines or the
denial of treatment or a drug, because it isn't approved. Watch your
neighbor suffer for a year or more because there is no room in your
designated hospital or die because the appropriate treatment is too
expensive for a person of age. Public health is not the solution for
universal health. This lesson has been learned.
Steve

Your claims don't match the docomentation.

Doesn't match my experience living my entire life in a country with
universal health care.

Everyone gets the same treatment. No one dies because they don't have
enough money. It may take longer to get elective or non-emergency
surgeries/appointments etc....but if it's an emergency, it gets treated
now. Cancer patients are not waiting months for chemo. They are not sent
home to die because they can't afford the medication or surgeries. My
mother's friend is in her 70s and has survived two bouts of breast
cancer. My father survived prostrate cancer. They still own their homes,
had their medications covered if it exceeded 10% of their income and now
live their lives as they did before they got sick.

A relative with leukemia survived it almost 30 years ago...getting an
"experimental treatment" called a bone marrow transplant. Today, in the
US, insurance companies will fight having to cover "experimental
treatment." If he were American, he'd be dead now.

I may have to wait for some things...six weeks for my knee surgery, for
example. But I knew I was going to get it. No fighting with insurance
companies. No worrying that they'd label anything "pre-existing." No
worry they would deny medications or the surgery itself.

I'll take universal health care over the US system any day!!!

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"Larry" wrote in message
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Two meter troll wrote in
news:a9b7e418-d399-4919-98f6-
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try this Larry. they no longer have controll of the republican party,
the fundimental christians do.
you now at this moment have a bible fundimental that thinks the
rapture will come and he and his brethrin will be raised up to heaven
and be rewarded for killing the unbelivers and abortionists at the
button. And you are a heathen unbeliver.

Id rather have the jews at least they wont kill the cash cow.



It is a point, but the Christians don't have their own atomic bombs, which
may limit their "power".....


Put that fundamentalist wackadoodle "Carabou Barbie" in office and you'll
have handed the bombs to them. This is what scares me about the religious
right- if they get one of thier hard corp types in the big chair and they
decide that it's armagedon time.....

No, McCain. What has he done for the environment.
What has Palin done for the environment?

"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
t...
What has he done?

You mean Obama? Besides talk himself up? Nothing!