A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on Mother's
Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and does it
work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit trees
flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in your
opinions. Thanks for your help.



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"Joe" wrote in message
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A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on
Mother's Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and
does it work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in your
opinions. Thanks for your help.



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Great gardener, great author, but he sure did use a lot of chemicals on his
crops.

Have you checked for any organic methods that may help your situation?

"Joe" wrote in message
...
A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on
Mother's Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and
does it work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


I don't see the point in mixing soap with Sevin. And be careful with
household cleaners, many dishwashing liquids are detergents, not soaps.
The preemergent soap will do nothing to control Japanee beetles, the beetles
are in the ground, as grubs. And Sevin works well in killing the beetles
but there's no point in applying it before the beetles arrive. Don't get
all panicky when you first see the beetles eating holes in leaves, Sevin
works rapidly and those damaged leaves won't hurt the plant, it'll just look
unsightly for a week or two until new leaves grow. Japanse beetles love my
lindens and sycamores so I spray those with Sevin... a second application a
few days later does the job... the beetles emerge to feed and mate and are
entirely gone in ten days even if you do nothing. If you read the label
carefully and follow the directions exactly as stated then there is no
problem with using Sevin, do not mix the concentrate stronger than stated...
mix it a little weaker and it will still work just fine. I've tried the
Japanese beetle traps but those are just an exercise in futility... they
will lure only a tiny percentage of the beetle population... the local golf
courses near here use them because they'd rather remain open for business
and they don't want to deal with being sued, they have much too much area to
spray, and they know that in ten days the beetles will be gone anyway... the
traps when stratigically placed, and plenty are used, they will lure the
beetles from the tees and picnic areas... but they kill only a very small
percentage... so what if they kill thousands when there are millions and
millions.

On Apr 25, 11:30*am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on
Mother's Day. *Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and
does it work? *If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in your
opinions. Thanks for your help.

I don't see the point in mixing soap with Sevin. *And be careful with
household cleaners, many dishwashing liquids are detergents, not soaps.
The preemergent soap will do nothing to control Japanee beetles, the beetles
are in the ground, as grubs. *And Sevin works well in killing the beetles
but there's no point in applying it before the beetles arrive. *Don't get
all panicky when you first see the beetles eating holes in leaves, Sevin
works rapidly and those damaged leaves won't hurt the plant, it'll just look
unsightly for a week or two until new leaves grow. *Japanse beetles love my
lindens and sycamores so I spray those with Sevin... a second application a
few days later does the job... the beetles emerge to feed and mate and are
entirely gone in ten days even if you do nothing. *If you read the label
carefully and follow the directions exactly as stated then there is no
problem with using Sevin, do not mix the concentrate stronger than stated....
mix it a little weaker and it will still work just fine. *I've tried the
Japanese beetle traps but those are just an exercise in futility... they
will lure only a tiny percentage of the beetle population... the local golf
courses near here use them because they'd rather remain open for business
and they don't want to deal with being sued, they have much too much area to
spray, and they know that in ten days the beetles will be gone anyway... the
traps when stratigically placed, and plenty are used, they will lure the
beetles from the tees and picnic areas... but they kill only a very small
percentage... so what if they kill thousands when there are millions and
millions.

don't be tempted to "double the strength to kill twice the number" if
you resort to using Sevin. a DROP of Dawn detergent works fine in the
diluted solution. makes it stick. don't use a lot, because it will
burn your plants. I, myself use the highly satisfying method of hand
hover, drop into jar of soapy water and drown, I walk to where
they're munching away, with a wide mouth quart mason or ball canning
jar (wide mouth mayonaise works well, just wash it out first) half
filled with soapy water. When you walk to them, walk quietly, hold
the jar underneath them (they tend to cluster pluck in great wads of
fornication sometimes....their sole purpose is to eat and reproduce as
quickly as possible) and place the jar underneath them, hover your
hand over them and they think they can fool you.......they drop down
and try to fly sideways. This captures about 80% of them and I have
the satisfaction of seeing them in the soapy water as I move from area
to area gathering more. when your jar is full, you will have to off
them, make more soapy water and do it again. I also discovered that in
spite of the fact that four o'clocks (mirabelis) are toxic to them,
they'll eat the leaves anyway, and it upsets their digestion and kills
them. So I gathered them anyway off the 4 o'clock plants as well and
offed them too. highly satisfactory!

if you don't have the patience or time to do this Zen like eradication
(it's much less harmful to the surrounding environment, and I don't
like using the now over used term GREEN...........it's not putting
harmful chemicals into the ground to wash down to add to the already
toxic solutions that are now drastically affecting our critters. I
still haven't found out if we have a bird or small munching animal
that loves to eat the beetles or the grub larval. which by the way,
you CAN spread Bt on your lawn to eliminate the larval grub of the
Jap. beetle. one of the things that brings the hordes of decending
skunk to nightly forages is an abundant amount of beetle grubs. they
feast on grubs and worms.

living in the inner town where I do, I've not encountered a skunk as
of yet, and don't see the usual possom's either, but suspect the local
gardeners here are the ones who like to spray without concerns to the
ground waters. I can't change the world, I can only maintain my
little piece of magic.

my opinions are strictly my own, but my methods are self proven by me
over the course of quite a long time.......

madgardener up in the green bowl, gardening in containers in upper
northeastern Tennessee, zone 7a, Sunset zone 36

wrote in message
...
On Apr 25, 11:30 am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn
liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on
Mother's Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and
does it work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in
your
opinions. Thanks for your help.

I don't see the point in mixing soap with Sevin. And be careful with
household cleaners, many dishwashing liquids are detergents, not soaps.
The preemergent soap will do nothing to control Japanee beetles, the
beetles
are in the ground, as grubs. And Sevin works well in killing the beetles
but there's no point in applying it before the beetles arrive. Don't get
all panicky when you first see the beetles eating holes in leaves, Sevin
works rapidly and those damaged leaves won't hurt the plant, it'll just
look
unsightly for a week or two until new leaves grow. Japanse beetles love my
lindens and sycamores so I spray those with Sevin... a second application
a
few days later does the job... the beetles emerge to feed and mate and are
entirely gone in ten days even if you do nothing. If you read the label
carefully and follow the directions exactly as stated then there is no
problem with using Sevin, do not mix the concentrate stronger than
stated...
mix it a little weaker and it will still work just fine. I've tried the
Japanese beetle traps but those are just an exercise in futility... they
will lure only a tiny percentage of the beetle population... the local
golf
courses near here use them because they'd rather remain open for business
and they don't want to deal with being sued, they have much too much area
to
spray, and they know that in ten days the beetles will be gone anyway...
the
traps when stratigically placed, and plenty are used, they will lure the
beetles from the tees and picnic areas... but they kill only a very small
percentage... so what if they kill thousands when there are millions and
millions.

don't be tempted to "double the strength to kill twice the number" if
you resort to using Sevin. a DROP of Dawn detergent works fine in the
diluted solution. makes it stick. don't use a lot, because it will
burn your plants. I, myself use the highly satisfying method of hand
hover, drop into jar of soapy water and drown, I walk to where
they're munching away, with a wide mouth quart mason or ball canning
jar (wide mouth mayonaise works well, just wash it out first) half
filled with soapy water. When you walk to them, walk quietly,

=============

Why do you have to walk quietly... if all I gotta do to get rid of beetles
is stomp about I'd save a lot of effort... I'm usually cussing the little
bastids when I have to drag my heavy sprayer and step ladder tree to tree in
the heat of summer and never yet saw a beetle fly off the back of the one
they're humping. hehe With all those details you added about different
kinds of jars etc. to your verbose trilogy I don't believe a word you
wrote... you've never seen a Japanese beetle up close and personal... you're
paraphrasing something you read.

============

hold
the jar underneath them (they tend to cluster pluck in great wads of
fornication sometimes....their sole purpose is to eat and reproduce as
quickly as possible) and place the jar underneath them, hover your
hand over them and they think they can fool you.......they drop down
and try to fly sideways. This captures about 80% of them and I have
the satisfaction of seeing them in the soapy water as I move from area
to area gathering more. when your jar is full, you will have to off
them, make more soapy water and do it again. I also discovered that in
spite of the fact that four o'clocks (mirabelis) are toxic to them,
they'll eat the leaves anyway, and it upsets their digestion and kills
them. So I gathered them anyway off the 4 o'clock plants as well and
offed them too. highly satisfactory!

if you don't have the patience or time to do this Zen like eradication
(it's much less harmful to the surrounding environment, and I don't
like using the now over used term GREEN...........it's not putting
harmful chemicals into the ground to wash down to add to the already
toxic solutions that are now drastically affecting our critters. I
still haven't found out if we have a bird or small munching animal
that loves to eat the beetles or the grub larval. which by the way,
you CAN spread Bt on your lawn to eliminate the larval grub of the
Jap. beetle. one of the things that brings the hordes of decending
skunk to nightly forages is an abundant amount of beetle grubs. they
feast on grubs and worms.

living in the inner town where I do, I've not encountered a skunk as
of yet, and don't see the usual possom's either, but suspect the local
gardeners here are the ones who like to spray without concerns to the
ground waters. I can't change the world, I can only maintain my
little piece of magic.

my opinions are strictly my own, but my methods are self proven by me
over the course of quite a long time.......

madgardener up in the green bowl, gardening in containers in upper
northeastern Tennessee, zone 7a, Sunset zone 36

"brooklyn1" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
On Apr 25, 11:30 am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn
liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on
Mother's Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and
does it work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in
your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


I thank you for your replies. Several of you have suggested picking them
off by hand. This would be impossible for me to do since I have 8 fruit
trees, 3 grape vines and a garden to boot. Even if it were possible to
pick off I would fill up a 50 gallon barrel and would be spending several
nights and days to do it and the next day the bugs would be right back at
it. Some of the environmentalists wackcos out there criticize me for using
chemicals. They don't seem to understand any person with half a brain would
use insecticides in a responsibly manner. Oh I almost forgot it's BUSH's
fault that I get these beetles. Why not blame it on him, they blame
everything else on him.
Thanks again.


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wrote in message
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On Apr 25, 11:30 am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn
liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on
Mother's Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and
does it work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in
your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


I thank you for your replies. Several of you have suggested picking them
off by hand. This would be impossible for me to do since I have 8 fruit
trees, 3 grape vines and a garden to boot. Even if it were possible to
pick off I would fill up a 50 gallon barrel and would be spending several
nights and days to do it and the next day the bugs would be right back at
it. Some of the environmentalists wackcos out there criticize me for using
chemicals. They don't seem to understand any person with half a brain would
use insecticides in a responsibly manner. Oh I almost forgot it's BUSH's
fault that I get these beetles. Why not blame it on him, they blame
everything else on him.
Thanks again.


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Milky Spore. Goggle it.

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Not all who wander are lost.
- J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973)

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"Joe" wrote:

"brooklyn1" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
On Apr 25, 11:30 am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn
liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on
Mother's Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and
does it work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit
trees flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in
your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


I thank you for your replies. Several of you have suggested picking them
off by hand. This would be impossible for me to do since I have 8 fruit
trees, 3 grape vines and a garden to boot. Even if it were possible to
pick off I would fill up a 50 gallon barrel and would be spending several
nights and days to do it and the next day the bugs would be right back at
it. Some of the environmentalists wackcos out there criticize me for using
chemicals. They don't seem to understand any person with half a brain would
use insecticides in a responsibly manner.
So the bees are your's to kill? I'd give you the benefit of the doubt
and gage you at about 1/128th of a brain.
Oh I almost forgot it's BUSH's
fault that I get these beetles. Why not blame it on him, they blame
everything else on him.
Only 'cause he done it.
Thanks again.

"There´s an old saying in Tennessee, I know it´s in Texas, probably in
Tennessee, that says: fool me once, shame on.....shame on you, fool me,
you can´t get fooled again!".
- Shrub
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

On Apr 25, 1:12*pm, "brooklyn1" wrote:
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Why do you have to walk quietly... if all I gotta do to get rid of beetles
is stomp about I'd save a lot of effort... I'm usually cussing the little
bastids when I have to drag my heavy sprayer and step ladder tree to tree in
the heat of summer and never yet saw a beetle fly off the back of the one
they're humping. hehe *With all those details you added about different
kinds of jars etc. to your verbose trilogy I don't believe a word you
wrote... you've never seen a Japanese beetle up close and personal... you're
paraphrasing something you read.

first off, the ONLY reason I walked quietly in MY gardens over in the
former Faerie Holler where I gardened successfully for well over
thirteen years, was when the little bastages sensed or saw me coming,
they'd fly off, first by dropping down and then flying sideways. I
started walking towards where they were clustered quietly so as not to
alert them. That was the only reason. It was also something that
allowed me to have a more quiet time out in my nine raised gardens
that spanned quite a bit of cubic foot. the front southern bed alone
was 50 foot long and four foot wide with extensions to each corner
that made MORE beds. I raised four o'clocks that grew in tuber size
to larger than footballs. I know THIS because my husband, James bent
my new Fiskars spade which is a solid metal shaft on a fiber glass
handle trying to dig me a tuber up to take when I lost my house last
April. The TOP of the tuber was about ten inches across and the
summer previous the plants themselves that I didn't pull out when I
saw them emerging (to not crowd the hundreds of perennials and other
bulbs and plants and small blooming shrubs) grew to past the front
gutters. About six feet or more. I had three kinds of 4's. The old
fashioned magenta ones, and yellow splashed with red, and a solid
lemon yellow one.

As for " With all those details you added about different
kinds of jars etc. to your verbose trilogy I don't believe a word you
wrote... you've never seen a Japanese beetle up close and personal... you're
paraphrasing something you read." remark you've made in regards to ME, I AM long winded. Those who KNOW me from my writings over the course of the last 14 years here on wreck gardens (I am one of the first visitors who has made friends and traded plants, seeds, tubers, roots and such over the span of over a decade since 1998 when I first discovered newsgroups on gardening, and if you doubt THAT, ask anyone who knows of me......or search the archives. I AM long winded, or "verbose" as you so adequately said it. LOL


It's your choice to believe me or not. I know what I spoke to you
about, because I have practiced exactly the very thing I said to you.
the various kinds of containers? I use what is handy. A wide mouth
jar works best for capturing many at a time. And knowing that you
have TREES means you CAN'T just pick them off. I only meant on things
closer to your hand reach. To hand pick them would drive you
bugnuts.........and be impossible.

As for not seeing a Japanese beetle up close and personal, you're
wrong. They come earlier than June bugs (which in Tennessee for
whatever reason seem to come in the first part of JULY) and are the
same color in body and wings as their larger beetles, but much
smaller. THey are irredescent green and blueish. They have black
legs, and I don't need to PROVE to you that I have had many years of
encounters with them. I wrote about my personal experience with them
on this newsgroup years ago, and started to calling them the decending
hordes of Japs......research this if you doubt me. Or ask Victoria,
or Billy, or Gardengal, or anyone else who knows of me and my writings
and rambles. I tend to write like I talk............and talk like I
write. and if I DO paraphrase something I've read, or researched
specifically to answer a gardening question that I'm not 100% sure of,
I make damn sure I say that I am quoting something written by someone
else. I am a master gardener from UT in Knoxville, but I don't wear
it like a badge, because I am still learning. I will continue to
learn about gardening and bugs and pests and beneficials and
everything horticultural until the day I am myself composting.

I have given you the benefit of my experience and age (56 isn't old
for a tree, just old enough if I were a walnut to produce
nuts.....LOL) and if you doubt me, it's your perogative. I wish you
all the luck in erradicating your Japs.

madgardener gardening in containers in the green bowl in upper
Northeastern Tennessee, zone 7a, Sunset zone 36 until I have my own
home again one day.
============


living in the inner town where I do, I've not encountered a skunk as
of yet, and don't see the usual possom's either, but suspect the local
gardeners here are the ones who like to spray without concerns to the
ground waters. *I can't change the world, I can only maintain my
little piece of magic.

my opinions are strictly my own, but my methods are self proven by me
over the course of quite a long time.......

madgardener up in the green bowl, gardening in containers in upper
northeastern Tennessee, zone 7a, Sunset zone 36- Hide quoted text -

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"Joe" wrote:

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on Mother's
Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and does it
work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit trees
flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in your
opinions. Thanks for your help.



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So if you kill all the local bees after they finish with your trees,
your good with that?

We have a name for people like that.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:13:45 -0500, "Joe" wrote:

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on Mother's
Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and does it
work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit trees
flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


Yes this will work. I would not think you need to reapply it unless
it rains. I hand remove the beetles using a wide mouth jar and 1/2"
of warm soapy water. When disturbed most beetles drop straight into
the jar and quickly drown. Seven may kill beneficial insects such as
ladybugs and spiders so use sparingly. Our J.beetle infestation lasts
about 2 weeks, then subsides. What others say, the milky spore
application did absolutely nothing, making it a waste of time and
money for my gardens.

A guy was telling me to use a mixture of Seven concentrate and Dawn liquid
dish soap with water in my sprayer. He said this would take care of the
problem if I sprayed every couple of days, and to start spraying on Mother's
Day. Do any of you know anything about using this mixture, and does it
work? If I go ahead and try it I want to make sure that my fruit trees
flowers are done being pollinated. I would be very interested in your
opinions. Thanks for your help.


When I was in the spraying game we considered using Sevin to protect
Monterey pines from borer beetles after pruning, however state
regulations required(among other things) that we notify all beekeepers
within a five mile radius. We found some other solution

If you do decide to use Sevin read, understand and follow the label.

You really should consult a licensed pest control advisor and hire a
licence applicator.
Then if something goes wrong you won't be alone in court.
--

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