On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:11:54 +1000, Fran Farmer
wrote:

On 13/07/2014 3:21 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:07:28 PM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:



It is very painful to have lived through better times and see one's beloved country losing its soul.

I know exactly what you mean. You can at least take comfort in knowing
that at least the residents of your country can manage to elect a
President who seems like a decent human being. Sad tough about all the
vitriolic comments that are sent his way - no doubt due to him dusky
skin colour and the red colour of the necks of those who make such
comments.

What alternate earth are you on? BHO is a record setting bad president,
totally eclipsing his immediate predecessor GHB. We haven't had a decent
president since Teddy Rosevelt.

You should see the creep we have heading up our country at the moment,
and none of his hangers on seem to be any better. I never used to feel
ashamed of my country but increasingly that is how I am feeling.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
wrote:

On Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:35:36 PM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 13/07/2014 5:21 PM, Todd wrote:

On 07/12/2014 08:07 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:

On 12/07/2014 12:28 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Friday, July 11, 2014 4:56:45 PM UTC-7, Frank wrote:





HB never misses an opportunity to throw in his leftist politics.



Now we learn that paying workers a decent wage rather than exploiting

people who have no alternative is "leftist politics".





Yebbut the 3 US posters other than you who are in this thread would be

considered to be on the extreme rabid right in other first world

countries.



Only in your mind.



People with your views sit politically on the far right on the world

stage. You might manage to figure this out if you used your passport

more and/or read more of the world press.



Maybe Higgs' too. Were three are pretty much in

the middle of the conservative (Jeffersonian Liberal) movement.



"Conservative, (Jeffersonian Liberal)" says it all as you would realise

if you had knew what you were writing about or got out more.



You clearly have no idea what the rest of the world reads or sees or

thinks about the politics of US citizens.



You and Higgs and out in left field with the goats. Neither one of

you are capable of the interchange of idea necessary for the

proper health of a representative republic. Both of you just

throw insults. Then accuse other of being intolerant and closed

minded.



Speaking of insults.....



The US has long had a bad reputation for exploitation of workers.



Leftover old war b*** s***.



Your ignorance can't change the history of the Labor movement either in

the US or around the world. Do some reading on it.



It

wasn't always so and at one time it had a fine history but not since

WWII at least. Low wages paid in the US get very bad comments and press

here from tourists and the media. Wal-mart has been one of the

companies mentioned but not the only one.





More leftover old war b*** s***.



What a stupidly illogical comment.



When were you in my country? For how long? How many returning tourists

did you speak to? Which newspapers TV channels and radio stations did

you follow?



In addition tourists gripe where tips are expected to be handed over

after any form of service provision. Employers who expect customers to

pay for both goods received and then service provided by their employee

rather than them pay a proper wage are considered to be exploitative.



We let the market determine what you are pain (in most cases).

This is how freedom and the free market works. If you want elitists

to choose who pays what, then if the best case you get a decaying

European socialist toilet. In the worst case, you get a Nazi/Soviet

style socialist tyranny.



More ignorance on your part. Do some reading on Political Science

before you use terms that you clearly don't understand. 'National

Socialism' is far right. 'Soviet Socialism' is far left.



And before you repeat your ridiculous comment based on the presence of a

word that causes alarm bells to go off in that cranial cavity of yours,

you might wonder why the long form of the name of North Korea is the

'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'.



You are forgetting, in America, even the poor people are fat.

ESPECIALLY the poor people! They can only afford the appalling stuff served in fast-food chains.

Like hell they can. Been there, done that. Eating at any big chain is
very expen$ive compared to eating your own cooking. BTDT. If other poor
/ cash strapped people choose to **** their income away that way, it is a
different issue.

They are often ignorant of good nutrition and exercise.
Well-intentioned groups/schools/organizations try to bring understanding of those factors to their clients, but the price of good fruits and vegetables and meat/fish is often beyond their means. To wean people away from cheap (and ghastly) TV entertainment and/or computer games and into walking, biking, any form of outdoor exercise is VERY difficult..

So that's why non-poor people are slim and poor people are (often) fat.

More pure horseshit.

'Fat' is a physical condition. 'Exploited' is a political and social

condition. 'You' are ignorant and parochial and rabid and right wing.

Sigh! You're describing, alas, a good chunk of the American electorate (those who bother to vote).*

* (BTW, how does compulsory voting work in OZ?)
Being uninformed worked fairly OK when we had two big oceans between us and the rest of the world, and when we were still puffed up with the 1950's post WW II "white picket fence" prosperity. (At the price of many lives)

But that strain of anti-intellectualism that has ALWAYS pervaded the American psyche, since Day One, no longer cuts it in the days of international everything, from finance to food to weapons to travel to commerce to...

We are no longer able to elect leaders who think their job is to serve the people, not just make a buck and to hell with the environment. The few who try to run for office on a human being platform are drowned out by the gazillions spent by Our Corporate Masters and their funders.

Our tax laws are passed in favor of the .01% by their lackeys in The Best Little Whorehouse in Washington. A few attempts are made to repatriate the ENORMOUS sums sequestered in foreign tax havens, but it's rough going.

I used to exhort people to get out there and vote, but am sadly facing the reality that, inter alia, SCOTUS has put the icing on the cake. This country is now for sale to the highest bidder.

What kind of country will my children live in after I'm gone.

HB

On 07/19/2014 02:56 AM, josephkk wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:11:54 +1000, Fran Farmer
wrote:

On 13/07/2014 3:21 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:07:28 PM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:



It is very painful to have lived through better times and see one's beloved country losing its soul.

I know exactly what you mean. You can at least take comfort in knowing
that at least the residents of your country can manage to elect a
President who seems like a decent human being.

Nice guys don't block every attempt to end the practice of leaving
babies to die of exposure on hospital tables because the first attempt
on their lives failed.

Sad tough about all the
vitriolic comments that are sent his way - no doubt due to him dusky
skin colour and the red colour of the necks of those who make such
comments.

What alternate earth are you on? BHO is a record setting bad president,
totally eclipsing his immediate predecessor GHB. We haven't had a decent
president since Teddy Rosevelt.

You know something is amiss when they play the race card, instead
of debating issues.


You should see the creep we have heading up our country at the moment,
and none of his hangers on seem to be any better. I never used to feel
ashamed of my country but increasingly that is how I am feeling.


--

On 07/19/2014 08:34 AM, josephkk wrote:
ESPECIALLY the poor people! They can only afford the appalling stuff served in fast-food chains.

Like hell they can. Been there, done that. Eating at any big chain is
very expen$ive compared to eating your own cooking. BTDT. If other poor
/ cash strapped people choose to **** their income away that way, it is a
different issue.

Hi Josephkk,

Am there right now with this artificially prolonged "Great"
recession. I'd go broke if I had to eat at those places
all the time.

I have a test I call the "Burger King" test. If I can get
the price of a meal with wholesome ingredients under 1/2
the price of eating at Burger King, then I have succeeded.

Higgs totally missed the point about prosperity and
fat poor people. I first heard the phrase from an Indian
(Asian) who used it to explain why he wanted to immigrate
to America.

-T

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