On 07/12/2014 03:19 PM, Frank wrote:
On 7/12/2014 1:50 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote:

You also don't know anything about the poverty in the areas where
Walmart chooses to locate, where there are literally no other job
options available.

That's like saying that Amazon is located on the net because all users
are dirt poor. Walmart stores are located in neighborhoods of all
socieo economic levels but mostly affluent... if the Walmart where you
live is located in a ghetto what does that say about you? It's no
coincidence that the Walmart bashers are typically at the lowest
socieo economic level. Obviously you've no marketable skills, and it
shows from reading your posts, it's highly unlikely that you finished
high school. There are three Super Walmarts that I shop in the area
where I live, all in very affluent NY Capitol district hoods... in
fact the largest Walmart in the US is located in a very affluent
section of Albany. Several of my neighbors work for Walmart, all very
well paid and happy with their job... maybe you and your ilk are of
the mind set that all Walmart employees stock grocery shelves, nothing
is further from the truth, most of their employees are in management
positions, many hold highly technical positions... Walmart pays its
accountants, IT people, buyers, marketing people, building maintenance
staff, etc. as well as any comparable company and usually better.
People with your attitude feel the way you do because you aren't
qualified to stock Walmart's shelves. I also know people who think
like you, they or someone in their family was fired from Walmart for
stealing and/or drugging. Walmart has a very strict policy regarding
stealing and drugging, one offence and you're gone. Walmart also does
not tolerate poor attendance, if you don't show or are late you had
better have a good reason. I've even ran into folks shopping at
Walmart who have told me that they hate Walmart, that they'd never
shop there... and there they are with a full cart of groceries. I
like Walmart, simply because I like paying less. However their stores
are also spacious, scrupulously clean, there's lots of parking, their
staff is helpful and polite, and they sell the same exact products as
everywhere else only at lower prices... the bottle of Heinz ketchup at
Walmart is precisely the same as from any other store, only it costs
significantly less. Why don't you apply for a job at Walmart, I'd be
curious to know if they'd hire you to mop their toilets.


I gather HB lives in the land of the fruits and the nuts - not the real
world.


He lives in the PRC (Peoples Republic of California). You got
to love Jerry Brown: a left wing fiscal conservative who keeps
his word!

I find local Walmart a great place to shop with good prices and friendly
help.

If you can find anyone to help.

Walmart also goes through extra pains to make sure it sells decent
products. I've done some work for a couple of vendors wanting to sell
there and know this as Walmart required information on the products that
other stores didn't.

I have worked for those that sell to Walmart. Walmart is brutal
on them. It is very hard to make a living selling to them.
But, it is not personal. It is just business

By the way, I have always found the argument that Walmart
places themselves in economically challenged areas to be
a bit lazy. 1) it is not true, and 2) if it was true, why
would you want to take those jobs away, other than you'd
rather poor folks suck off the public tit rather than work for
a living?

By the way, sometimes Walmart sells marginal rejects on
stuff because they are cheaper. For instance, don't
buy AAA, or AA batteries from them. Half of them will
be dead before their expiration date. But this is no
different from being informed on your purchases no matter
where you shop.

Now, lets get all those poor people working at Walmart
out of their jobs and on the public tit!

The problem with Walmart is 1) they are successful and 2) they
are non-union.

Oh and they make great bunny repellent.

On Friday, July 11, 2014 9:58:36 PM UTC-7, Todd wrote:
On 07/11/2014 07:28 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

Now we learn that paying workers a decent wage rather than exploiting people who have no alternative is "leftist politics".



You learn something new every day!



What's NOT new is that some people think they are better than their fellows.

Almost makes you wish there was some being Up There handing out justice.





You get paid what the market will bear. And you only seem to

care if the shop is non-union.

?? What makes you reach that conclusion? Quote please.

And, yes it is "leftist politics".

You are told who to hate. And it really doesn't matter what

they pay. Just who is and who isn't union. And no one thinks

they are better than anyone else, that is just more slurs.

How embarrassing!

HB

On 12/07/2014 12:28 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Friday, July 11, 2014 4:56:45 PM UTC-7, Frank wrote:


HB never misses an opportunity to throw in his leftist politics.

Now we learn that paying workers a decent wage rather than exploiting people who have no alternative is "leftist politics".


Yebbut the 3 US posters other than you who are in this thread would be
considered to be on the extreme rabid right in other first world countries.

The US has long had a bad reputation for exploitation of workers. It
wasn't always so and at one time it had a fine history but not since
WWII at least. Low wages paid in the US get very bad comments and press
here from tourists and the media. Wal-mart has been one of the
companies mentioned but not the only one.

In addition tourists gripe where tips are expected to be handed over
after any form of service provision. Employers who expect customers to
pay for both goods received and then service provided by their employee
rather than them pay a proper wage are considered to be exploitative.

On Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:07:28 PM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 12/07/2014 12:28 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Friday, July 11, 2014 4:56:45 PM UTC-7, Frank wrote:

HB never misses an opportunity to throw in his leftist politics.


Now we learn that paying workers a decent wage rather than exploiting people who have no alternative is "leftist politics".


Yebbut the 3 US posters other than you who are in this thread would be

considered to be on the extreme rabid right in other first world countries.

I wrote a longish post basically agreeing with you and citing some bits of history that got us to where we are, then I lost it.

The US has long had a bad reputation for exploitation of workers. It

wasn't always so and at one time it had a fine history but not since

WWII at least. Low wages paid in the US get very bad comments and press

here from tourists and the media. Wal-mart has been one of the

companies mentioned but not the only one.

In addition tourists gripe where tips are expected to be handed over

after any form of service provision. Employers who expect customers to

pay for both goods received and then service provided by their employee

rather than them pay a proper wage are considered to be exploitative.

It is very painful to have lived through better times and see one's beloved country losing its soul.

HB

On 07/12/2014 06:47 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Friday, July 11, 2014 9:58:36 PM UTC-7, Todd wrote:
On 07/11/2014 07:28 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:

Now we learn that paying workers a decent wage rather than exploiting people who have no alternative is "leftist politics".



You learn something new every day!



What's NOT new is that some people think they are better than their fellows.

Almost makes you wish there was some being Up There handing out justice.





You get paid what the market will bear. And you only seem to

care if the shop is non-union.

?? What makes you reach that conclusion? Quote please.

Just read your own stuff.



And, yes it is "leftist politics".

You are told who to hate. And it really doesn't matter what

they pay. Just who is and who isn't union. And no one thinks

they are better than anyone else, that is just more slurs.

How embarrassing!

It is only embarrassing that you let others tell
you who to hate.

Please let it go you two. You are just shouting past each other. It is of
absolutely no interest and quite OT.

D

On 07/12/2014 08:07 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 12/07/2014 12:28 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Friday, July 11, 2014 4:56:45 PM UTC-7, Frank wrote:


HB never misses an opportunity to throw in his leftist politics.

Now we learn that paying workers a decent wage rather than exploiting
people who have no alternative is "leftist politics".


Yebbut the 3 US posters other than you who are in this thread would be
considered to be on the extreme rabid right in other first world countries.

Only in your mind. Maybe Higgs' too. Were three are pretty much in
the middle of the conservative (Jeffersonian Liberal) movement.
You and Higgs and out in left field with the goats. Neither one of
you are capable of the interchange of idea necessary for the
proper health of a representative republic. Both of you just
throw insults. Then accuse other of being intolerant and closed
minded.


The US has long had a bad reputation for exploitation of workers.

Leftover old war b*** s***.

It
wasn't always so and at one time it had a fine history but not since
WWII at least. Low wages paid in the US get very bad comments and press
here from tourists and the media. Wal-mart has been one of the
companies mentioned but not the only one.


More leftover old war b*** s***.


In addition tourists gripe where tips are expected to be handed over
after any form of service provision. Employers who expect customers to
pay for both goods received and then service provided by their employee
rather than them pay a proper wage are considered to be exploitative.

We let the market determine what you are pain (in most cases).
This is how freedom and the free market works. If you want elitists
to choose who pays what, then if the best case you get a decaying
European socialist toilet. In the worst case, you get a Nazi/Soviet
style socialist tyranny.


You are forgetting, in America, even the poor people are fat.

On Sunday, July 13, 2014 12:14:41 AM UTC-7, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Please let it go you two. You are just shouting past each other. It is of

absolutely no interest and quite OT.

Couldn't agree more, which is why I just sent an "over & out" post on another of the threads that Todd has been monopolizing with enormously long posts on one of his theories.

HB

On 7/13/2014 8:09 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Sunday, July 13, 2014 12:14:41 AM UTC-7, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Please let it go you two. You are just shouting past each other. It is of

absolutely no interest and quite OT.

Couldn't agree more, which is why I just sent an "over & out" post on another of the threads that Todd has been monopolizing with enormously long posts on one of his theories.

HB


Almost a month ago, I added Todd to my filters on this newsgroup, to
mark all of his messages as deleted.

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On Sunday, July 13, 2014 8:24:21 AM UTC-7, David E. Ross wrote:
On 7/13/2014 8:09 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:

On Sunday, July 13, 2014 12:14:41 AM UTC-7, David Hare-Scott wrote:

Please let it go you two. You are just shouting past each other. It is of



absolutely no interest and quite OT.



Couldn't agree more, which is why I just sent an "over & out" post on another of the threads that Todd has been monopolizing with enormously long posts on one of his theories.



HB





Almost a month ago, I added Todd to my filters on this newsgroup, to

mark all of his messages as deleted.


Yes, there was definitely an agenda there from the get-go. At first people tried to be polite, but...

I would if I could, but I'm still stuck with "now we own the world" Google.
I did d/l Thunderbird, but can't make it work, so as soon as my techie neighbor gets back...!!!

HB

On 07/13/2014 11:08 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:
Almost a month ago, I added Todd to my filters on this newsgroup, to

mark all of his messages as deleted.


Yes, there was definitely an agenda there from the get-go. At first people tried to be polite, but...

I would if I could, but I'm still stuck with "now we own the world" Google.
I did d/l Thunderbird, but can't make it work, so as soon as my techie neighbor gets back...!!!

HB

You two do realize I have only "responded" to your political/religious
agendas. I have never actually started one on my own. Higgs can't
resist throwing his stuff into the midst of any conversation.

And I do realize that folks with other view points "offend" you.

On 13/07/2014 3:21 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:07:28 PM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:



It is very painful to have lived through better times and see one's beloved country losing its soul.

I know exactly what you mean. You can at least take comfort in knowing
that at least the residents of your country can manage to elect a
President who seems like a decent human being. Sad tough about all the
vitriolic comments that are sent his way - no doubt due to him dusky
skin colour and the red colour of the necks of those who make such
comments.

You should see the creep we have heading up our country at the moment,
and none of his hangers on seem to be any better. I never used to feel
ashamed of my country but increasingly that is how I am feeling.

On 13/07/2014 5:21 PM, Todd wrote:
On 07/12/2014 08:07 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 12/07/2014 12:28 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Friday, July 11, 2014 4:56:45 PM UTC-7, Frank wrote:


HB never misses an opportunity to throw in his leftist politics.

Now we learn that paying workers a decent wage rather than exploiting
people who have no alternative is "leftist politics".


Yebbut the 3 US posters other than you who are in this thread would be
considered to be on the extreme rabid right in other first world
countries.

Only in your mind.

People with your views sit politically on the far right on the world
stage. You might manage to figure this out if you used your passport
more and/or read more of the world press.

Maybe Higgs' too. Were three are pretty much in
the middle of the conservative (Jeffersonian Liberal) movement.

"Conservative, (Jeffersonian Liberal)" says it all as you would realise
if you had knew what you were writing about or got out more.

You clearly have no idea what the rest of the world reads or sees or
thinks about the politics of US citizens.

You and Higgs and out in left field with the goats. Neither one of
you are capable of the interchange of idea necessary for the
proper health of a representative republic. Both of you just
throw insults. Then accuse other of being intolerant and closed
minded.

Speaking of insults.....

The US has long had a bad reputation for exploitation of workers.

Leftover old war b*** s***.

Your ignorance can't change the history of the Labor movement either in
the US or around the world. Do some reading on it.

It
wasn't always so and at one time it had a fine history but not since
WWII at least. Low wages paid in the US get very bad comments and press
here from tourists and the media. Wal-mart has been one of the
companies mentioned but not the only one.


More leftover old war b*** s***.

What a stupidly illogical comment.

When were you in my country? For how long? How many returning tourists
did you speak to? Which newspapers TV channels and radio stations did
you follow?

In addition tourists gripe where tips are expected to be handed over
after any form of service provision. Employers who expect customers to
pay for both goods received and then service provided by their employee
rather than them pay a proper wage are considered to be exploitative.

We let the market determine what you are pain (in most cases).
This is how freedom and the free market works. If you want elitists
to choose who pays what, then if the best case you get a decaying
European socialist toilet. In the worst case, you get a Nazi/Soviet
style socialist tyranny.

More ignorance on your part. Do some reading on Political Science
before you use terms that you clearly don't understand. 'National
Socialism' is far right. 'Soviet Socialism' is far left.

And before you repeat your ridiculous comment based on the presence of a
word that causes alarm bells to go off in that cranial cavity of yours,
you might wonder why the long form of the name of North Korea is the
'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'.

You are forgetting, in America, even the poor people are fat.

'Fat' is a physical condition. 'Exploited' is a political and social
condition. 'You' are ignorant and parochial and rabid and right wing.

Todd wrote:
On 07/13/2014 11:08 AM, Higgs Boson wrote:
Almost a month ago, I added Todd to my filters on this newsgroup, to

mark all of his messages as deleted.


Yes, there was definitely an agenda there from the get-go. At first
people tried to be polite, but... I would if I could, but I'm still stuck
with "now we own the world"
Google. I did d/l Thunderbird, but can't make it work, so as soon as my
techie neighbor gets back...!!! HB

You two do realize I have only "responded" to your political/religious
agendas. I have never actually started one on my own. Higgs can't
resist throwing his stuff into the midst of any conversation.

And I do realize that folks with other view points "offend" you.

--

You and Higgs are both responsible for this thread drift into politics,
neither of you can resist the temptation, please both get off of it and
don't go back. I can only try to persuade you, this being an unmoderated
group the remaining option is to killfile both.


David

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A better world requires a
daily struggle against those who would mislead us.

On 7/13/2014 8:11 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:
On 13/07/2014 3:21 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Saturday, July 12, 2014 8:07:28 PM UTC-7, Fran Farmer wrote:



It is very painful to have lived through better times and see one's
beloved country losing its soul.

I know exactly what you mean. You can at least take comfort in knowing
that at least the residents of your country can manage to elect a
President who seems like a decent human being. Sad tough about all the
vitriolic comments that are sent his way - no doubt due to him dusky
skin colour and the red colour of the necks of those who make such
comments.

You should see the creep we have heading up our country at the moment,
and none of his hangers on seem to be any better. I never used to feel
ashamed of my country but increasingly that is how I am feeling.

Yup:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/BNRT0P-oZfw#t=39